- JPP deal is getting messy over guaranteed money, but there is a chance a new long-term deal will be done before Monday.
- Jon Beason's contract re-structuring is done.
- Giants will invite safety Devin McCourty (Patriots) and Rahim Moore (Broncos) to visit. McCourty is 1a and Moore 1b.
- The interest in Ndamukong Suh is smoke.
Eagles and Redskins both, and desperately need DB help. Gonna be a contest.
Dang.
NOTHING is put to bed, unlikely or not
Don't you agree?
He is the best player at his position. when is the last time we had one of those.
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MCourty! Yes please..
NOTHING is put to bed, unlikely or not
Very true...but for the price it would cost we could put that towards multile assets.
Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article.
Makes sense. so when Suh doesn't sign in NY and JPP signs an extension pat yourselves on the back for spotting the ruse early on.
even if it never happened.
We need safeties, in case you haven't noticed, and it's only March 4th.
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but there are alot of teams that will probably be in on him and probably have more money to throw at him than us. :(
Eagles and Redskins both, and desperately need DB help. Gonna be a contest.
Yup. And Jets, too.
He is the best player at his position. when is the last time we had one of those.
2014
He is the best player at his position. when is the last time we had one of those.
Yeah, I guess we just have to settle for a couple of lousy Super Bowl trophies. Stupid Giants .
Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article.
Plaxico Burress' agent played hardball. The Giants let him walk and suddenly there was word the Giants were interested in David Terrell.
Suddenly Burress signed.
Once again, it's only March 4th. Some of you really need to start smoking pot.
That's a huge plus for the Giants to have JPP done before they enter the draft.
I'd like to hear some talk of Orlando Franklin. He should be the #1 FA acquisition this year, IMO.
You don't judge a FS by tackles. He can play single high safety and has elite range. He's a very good safety regardless of Revis.
Except McCourty's 2013 may have been better than his 2014.
He's absolutely not a product of Revis. He's a very, very good player in his own right.
Free agency is all about filling needs, and it's no secret that some guys will get overpaid because of that. There was a firestorm when we made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league, but that move turned out pretty good for us.
That would be the last eight seasons.
1. JPP extended
2. McCourty signed
3. An OL (like Bulaga) signed to play RT
4. Some lottery tickets like Martellus Bennett a couple years ago, like maybe at WR like Miles Austin or Torrey Smith or someone like that.
that's a solid free agency and one that will allow Reese the draft flexibility he desires.
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Once again, it's only March 4th. Some of you really need to start smoking pot.
Why should this year be any different? We had one poster last year who declared the season over on March 12th.
Why should this year be any different? We had one poster last year who declared the season over on March 12th.
That SOB was right!
I wouldn't mind bringing back Rolle cheap if possible.
Still... please improve the trenches.
Rolle doesn't strike me as a guy would accept $4M per from the Giants. He'll go elsewhere and wake up to a very unfriendly NFL.
Remember what Reggie White did for the Packers
So if true, sorry to hear it is a smoke screen as to the Giants interest in Suh
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Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article.
Plaxico Burress' agent played hardball. The Giants let him walk and suddenly there was word the Giants were interested in David Terrell.
Suddenly Burress signed.
JPP HAS BEEN TAGGED.
all the other examples are not relevant.
I would believe this Suh interest is a smokescreen leaked to increase his price for other teams. Absolutely. To increase the urgency of other teams. To have them react to the potential of seeing Suh on the Giants and pursue other players.
But no, that leak is not motivating JPP's agent.
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I just don't want to get into a bidding war and pay him 8 million a year when we can pay Rolle 4 or less.
Rolle will get some suitors. He is a quality safety
Rolle doesn't strike me as a guy would accept $4M per from the Giants. He'll go elsewhere and wake up to a very unfriendly NFL.
Thanks! Didn't know that info
Yup. He's a really good player and fills a need.
I understand why people feel like upgrading our line (OL/DL) is our top priority, but it's not like the Giants are bringing in a high-profile QB. Safety is still a need position for us and McCourty would be a great get.
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Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.
Thanks! Didn't know that info
2nd team all-pro. not that it matters, but it kind of does.
Exactly. Because there's absolutely nothing the Giants can do between now and the start of the season to improve their defense. It sucks to be us.
Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.
McCourty has 5 pro seasons under his belt.
Going into 2015, as far as we know, the Giants DTs are pretty healthy, so the need isn't there to go all in on Suh. Going after safety help makes much more sense. My guess is Suh ends up in Miami when it's all said and done.
Remember what Reggie White did for the Packers
So if true, sorry to hear it is a smoke screen as to the Giants interest in Suh
It should be smoke..
Giants need Safety help.. OL help.. Slot corner help.. Linebacker help.. DT help...
They should NOT blow the wad on ONE player..
agreed. Always thought this was Albert haynesworth 2.0, or shaun Rogers 3.0. Also imo not a Giants move to spend franchise qb money on a another team's player, even if the money was there.
Due diligence and "not leaving any rock unturned'' maybe. Chances are they have interest, they're looking to add talent to the dl, why wouldn't you be interested in the best on the market. even if you know he'll be far beyond what you can/will offer.
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Dallas oline is going to dominate us again
Exactly. Because there's absolutely nothing the Giants can do between now and the start of the season to improve their defense. It sucks to be us.
Total mess up. Was suppose to have in there unless we snag one of the other dtackles in Williams or knighton.
Even then ayers or Moore starting opposite of jpp isn't a great prospect and no player we draft is going to be a great DEnd to start out. None of the prospects fit the bill
Suh I felt was the best way to combat Dallas and turn our defense into a a top 10 defense and make our dline phenomenal
Why is stating such a fact some how conflated with writing off the season in March?
And while I'm speaking about March... so what if a poster wrote the Giants off at this time last year?
That was regrettable, but also accurate.
And while I'm speaking of forecasts, here's one you can depend upon.
If the Giants don't get real men at the LOS via the Draft and Free Agency in the next 2-3 months, we'll be picking in the Top 10 again in 2016!
Antrel Rolle @antrelrolle26 7m7 minutes ago
All of these allegations regarding my contract negotiations are entirely false. I haven't had discussions with any teams including NYG
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Last year.. (objesus obv) and we've had a top 5 qb for a decade, I ain't mad
Suh.
He is the best player at his position. when is the last time we had one of those.
2014
If we do get the extension done all of BBI entreat the universe to keep his back healthy.
You, Devon, and Dumpster should all get a room.
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams
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....where this defense allows 350 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs.
You, Devon, and Dumpster should all get a room.
And you can kindly go fuck yourself.
I'm not high on this team short term prospects, but I'm not complaining about interest in a known good safety that isn't old or with a sketchy injury history. It's not going to fix the team or make them a serious contender in 2015, but it's a logical move to at least show interest with a guy like McCourty, if they don't have to do too much contract shuffling (though he probably will cost enough, given the market, to require that).
I have checked out some of those weaksafetyies you talk about
and seea lot of potential there. Take a look at the measurables, especially some of the guys expected to go rd's 3-5. 1 in particular is the kid from SU, Durrell Eskridge.
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams
THANK YOU..
Odrick.. Langford.. Williams..
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Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article.
Plaxico Burress' agent played hardball. The Giants let him walk and suddenly there was word the Giants were interested in David Terrell.
Suddenly Burress signed.
JPP HAS BEEN TAGGED.
all the other examples are not relevant.
I would believe this Suh interest is a smokescreen leaked to increase his price for other teams. Absolutely. To increase the urgency of other teams. To have them react to the potential of seeing Suh on the Giants and pursue other players.
But no, that leak is not motivating JPP's agent.
I understand that he's been tagged. He can still be dealt, and he can still just play for 1 season at the tag salary. Floating interest in Suh demonstrating the Giants will just spend their money elsewhere if the agent is just gunning to break the bank as Eric's rumor post suggests.
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I've looked them up and down and for the most part.. it's a terribly weak class especially for rangey coverage safties, seems like all the decent prospects this year are box safties, which we may need, we may not need, but we undoubtedly need someone who can cover ground back there such as mccourty or moore
This year the safety class in the draft and FA is weak. Meanwhile the trenches has some depth to it in the draft. The real strength of the top of the draft looks to be pass rush and WR. Then there are a number of OL and DL in the top 50 to be meaningful additions. If the giants so choose they can probably make strong editions in tne trenches the first few rounds. Safety, there is almost no depth plus the NYG have young guys in Berne and Taylor, they need a. Et
I have checked out some of those weaksafetyies you talk about
and seea lot of potential there. Take a look at the measurables, especially some of the guys expected to go rd's 3-5. 1 in particular is the kid from SU, Durrell Eskridge.
My comparison to haynesworth and rodgers is about the speculation/rumors tying the Giants to them as strong contenders to sign them. While there may be interest, I don't believe it was ever going to be a competitive offer.
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Probably won't, but he'd upgrade our DLine instantly more than anyone else can. Comparing him to Haynesworth and Rodgers is silly.
My comparison to haynesworth and rodgers is about the speculation/rumors tying the Giants to them as strong contenders to sign them. While there may be interest, I don't believe it was ever going to be a competitive offer.
Gotcha.
You Dirty Old Bastid: I agree 100%. NEED a F/A guard that can run block. Franklin can play guard or RT, good in pass pro and very good in run blocking. I really really hope Reese goes hard for him.
Do you think it's more than 25 - 30M? Say 35M at most?
he's getting 15M this year if he signs the FT.
More than likely I see him signing a 6 year 65M deal with maybe 30 - 35 guaranteed.
If he plays on the FT this year, some team will probably still give him that same deal next year and it turns into a 7 year 80M deal with 50M guaranteed.
this is just my opinion, but because he's earned 17M already and he'll earn 15M for one season in 2015, JPP and his agent are under no pressure to sign, they own the leverage, no matter what gets leaked about the Giants spending money on Suh. In fact, regardless of the Giants and the Suh leaks I'd bet JPP would get more simply by hitting FA than signing with the Giants before next week when FA begins.
I know it's a rumor most of the site has bought into, so maybe it's true, but I don't see it.
and I go back to my prior point. consider half this site is posting about the smokescreen and how it's intended to motivate JPP and his agent. How does he not know this?
Agreed on top two priorities in FA, no doubt. DL prob top priority in draft imo.
i would be absolutely dumfounded if the giants went after suh with a big offer. can't believe that could happen.
Going into 2015, as far as we know, the Giants DTs are pretty healthy, so the need isn't there to go all in on Suh. Going after safety help makes much more sense. My guess is Suh ends up in Miami when it's all said and done.
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Why should this year be any different? We had one poster last year who declared the season over on March 12th.
That SOB was right!
He wasn't right about shit. He made his prediction before FA, before the injuries. In fact, he based it on a roster that had about 15 guys on the actual 53 when the season started.
He also said Bromley would suck because he had "lumpy calves". So there's that.
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams
Williams is a fine choice at half the cost of Suh.
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Dallas oline is going to dominate us again
Exactly. Because there's absolutely nothing the Giants can do between now and the start of the season to improve their defense. It sucks to be us.
It's not gonna be easy (by that I mean pretty much impossible) to find someone who can counter the interior of the cowboys oline let alone dominate them the way suh did
The teams leverage is the injury risk incurred playing without the safety net inherent in a long term deal. This is a fact certainly not lost on JPP and his team given that he's already undergone serious back surgery.
Hard to quantify but to me it's pretty much a wash in terms 'leverage'.
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams
Stephen Paea we took Miles Austin over him LOL
i think Giants are probably somewhere around a 5 year 60 deal in paper.. but the guaranteed money in the signing bonus is the issue. Giants more than likely want a lower number so if his back goes out on him he can be cut.. JPP of course wants more money up front..
I dont see this deal being any longer than 4-6 years so JPP can try to cash in again when he is in his early 30's
McCourty or Moore would solve out lack of a centerfielder but we still need at least one more safety. If we don't sign another I think Landon Collins comes into play some time in the first two rounds. I could see the Giants targeting him as Rolle's heir.
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But there are other free agent dt's available
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams
Stephen Paea we took Miles Austin over him LOL
draft second guessing can go on every year for every team in almost every round, but I think you meant Marvin.
Beckum
Barden
Sintim
Dillard
Brewer
Jernigan
Austin
Mosley
Hosley
Harsh indictment of our scouts and front office.
Bottom line is the Giants have struggled the last few years for a number of reasons:
They missed on 2011 2nd and 3rd rounders.
They missed on 2012 1st and 3rd rounders and Randle has taken some time to develop.
Guys like Snee and Baas all but retired overnight. It's uncommon to see two guys in their early 30s basically go from good to done in the span of one off-season.
The giants hit three HRs in the first three rounds of the 2008 draft only to see all three of those players retire due to injury. This cannot be overstated. The Giants were ready to hitch their wagon to Phillips, Thomas and Mario only to eventually let all 3 players walk via FA because those players were all but done.
The Giants hit HRs in the 2007 draft only to see guys like Boss, Smith and ALford retire early due to injury.
They lost Chad Smith to career ending injury.
Couple all those career enders with the typical nagging injuries that every team sustains, and the Giants have had more than their share, and you have a team that has endured an insane amount of injuries. In short, the Giants have had literally NO margin for error in the last 4-5-6 drafts. And the product on the field has suffered.
You can only overcome so many injuries and even if they had stayed healthy these last few years, the roster was taking on water due to age and some misses in the draft. It was inevitable but things look to be turning around. The team looked better over the last 8 or so games last year than it has since early 2012. I think the franchise hit rock bottom in Jacksonville last year and slowly started digging their way back to respectability the rest of the season.
The Giants made their bed I am not making excuses but a GM and scouting Dept can only do so much. At some point luck plays a part. The Giants haven't been very lucky lately. The luck was running out even when they were winning their 4th super bowl title and 2nd in 5 years. The chicken came home to roost the last 2 years.
Beckum
Barden
Sintim
Dillard
Brewer
Jernigan
Austin
Mosley
Hosley
Harsh indictment of our scouts and front office.
Brutal list. Cringe-worthy.
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It's true the draft is fertile ground for second guessing. On the other hand I think most would agree we've missed on too many premium draft picks(first three rounds) in recent years. Even our 4th rounders should be contributing more than we've gotten from them imo.
Beckum
Barden
Sintim
Dillard
Brewer
Jernigan
Austin
Mosley
Hosley
Harsh indictment of our scouts and front office.
Brutal list. Cringe-worthy.
Yep... anyone who tunes out after the 2nd round of the draft should read that list, look at our record the last few years and connect the dots.
I wonder if JPP signed the "tag" contract yet? Or if his agent is shopping him?
I by no means excuse poor drafts, but i'm not ignorant enough to finger point when I know no more than the next fan about who would have worked out for us and who wouldn't. Too many factors (health, bad coaching, lack of luck, etc).
Also heard Reese shopping Nassim for a 3rd .
Also heard Reese shopping Nassim for a 3rd .
That makes 0 sense to me. This is the first back up QB since Warner that has looked half decent running the offense (even if only preseason). In fact he had a better preseason than Eli did. Also Eli though a model of durability is 34. I would be pretty unhappy to give up a solid insurance policy for the most important position on the team especially for just a 3rd.
They can sign an equitable backup QB.
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Shoot me...
Also heard Reese shopping Nassim for a 3rd .
That makes 0 sense to me. This is the first back up QB since Warner that has looked half decent running the offense (even if only preseason). In fact he had a better preseason than Eli did. Also Eli though a model of durability is 34. I would be pretty unhappy to give up a solid insurance policy for the most important position on the team especially for just a 3rd.
You get a 3rd for Nassib, you run to the phone to accept. I don't see anyone offering a 3rd however...
of course, I never thought they would get more than that for Nassib under any circumstances, so i always thought the calls to trade him were moot and pure fantasy.
AJ Feeley turned a 75 QB rating into a 2nd round pick.
Matt Schaub cost 2 2nd round picks
Kevin Kolb yielded DRC and a 2nd round pick
Matt Cassel (and Vrabel) yielded the 34th pick in the draft
and there are a lot more...
Granted Nassib hasn't played a meaningful down in an actual NFL game, but a 3rd might be realistic given the stupidity around the QB position
of course, I never thought they would get more than that for Nassib under any circumstances, so i always thought the calls to trade him were moot and pure fantasy.
Yes, a 3rd round pick will make up for that. If Eli gets hurt, Nassib isn't going to save the season. I'd rather have the extra 3rd rounder.
I'd heard they were shopping him for a #2, perhaps a #3 is the trigger.
Don't know, that's why it's not a 2nd round pick though like (at least) in all the examples I provided.
If some of these loons were correct and the Giants were offered a #2, i would agree you jump on it. A #3 is still worth consideration, but not a slam dunk, in my opinion.
Cool post bro. I'll be sure to look for your next eye opening post. Let me guess, you think CC Brown was a bad player? Earth shattering stuff, what would we do without you?
Unbelievably original, congrats!
I'd heard they were shopping him for a #2, perhaps a #3 is the trigger.
Jon, was wondering if you could elaborate a bit more. I had not heard that. I would love to believe it as this is the year to shop a young QB. The Vikings just got a 5th and a 7th for Matt Cassel. Would think the Giants could get better for Nassib.
^^^^^ This!
Sure did. As unbelievable as that may seem.
I think he has more value to NYG as a backup with potential for now. Obviously I'd take a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him in a heartbeat but I feel like his actual value in a trade is a fair amount lower than that at this point or at least I'd assume so.
Well said.
I wouldn't move him for a #4 or lower, at that point I'd agree his value as the backup and trying to build him for future trade talks would make more sense to me.
In 2015 Nassib is in his 3rd year of a 4 year deal, so once he enters year 4, he'd have less value IMO, because the Giants are not likely to extend Eli AND give Nassib a 2nd contract nor would he probably want a 2nd contract as a backup. So he's likely to hit free agency.
You'd think he'd at least want an opportunity to compete for a starters job so if Eli is extended it means again IMO, that Nassib's gone after year 4 of his deal.
If the Giants recoup a 3rd round pick for him it would be trading a 4th and a 6th for a 3rd in two years. probably a fair deal.
Yeah, I would be shocked too if he nets a 3rd round pick.
But like I posted earlier there is a lot of stupidity in the NFL around the QB position and a lot of stupid teams. Combine those two and Nassib can possibly get a 3rd.
The guy I had my eye on as a parallel to how the Giants would handle Nassib was Ryan Mallett and the Pats and I hoped the Pats got a high round pick for Mallett, but in the end I think all he got the Pats was a 7th. And Mallett was the classic "first round talent in the third round" cliche. I guess not. And that does not bode well for Nassib. He really just needed a meaningless game with a great performance and it could have benefitted the Giants.