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In comment 12164072 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12164046 pjcas18 said: Quote: Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article. Plaxico Burress' agent played hardball. The Giants let him walk and suddenly there was word the Giants were interested in David Terrell. Suddenly Burress signed.

JPP HAS BEEN TAGGED.

all the other examples are not relevant.

I would believe this Suh interest is a smokescreen leaked to increase his price for other teams. Absolutely. To increase the urgency of other teams. To have them react to the potential of seeing Suh on the Giants and pursue other players.

But no, that leak is not motivating JPP's agent.

Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.

In comment 12164099 mrvax said:

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In comment 12164091 NYGTBlair said: Quote: I just don't want to get into a bidding war and pay him 8 million a year when we can pay Rolle 4 or less. Rolle will get some suitors. He is a quality safety Rolle doesn't strike me as a guy would accept $4M per from the Giants. He'll go elsewhere and wake up to a very unfriendly NFL.

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want to get into a bidding war for McCourty or Moore. As somebody noted, there are a lot of teams that need S help, and it is a weak draft for that position.

In comment 12164111 Big Rick in FL said:

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Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.

Thanks! Didn't know that info

In comment 12164111 Big Rick in FL said:

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Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.

Yup. He's a really good player and fills a need.

I understand why people feel like upgrading our line (OL/DL) is our top priority, but it's not like the Giants are bringing in a high-profile QB. Safety is still a need position for us and McCourty would be a great get.

To solve The Mystery of Rogers Gaines.

Dallas oline is going to dominate us again

In comment 12164120 NYGTBlair said:

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In comment 12164111 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons. Thanks! Didn't know that info

2nd team all-pro. not that it matters, but it kind of does.

In comment 12164129 ADeP7 said:

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Dallas oline is going to dominate us again

Exactly. Because there's absolutely nothing the Giants can do between now and the start of the season to improve their defense. It sucks to be us.

In comment 12164123 stillpoe said:

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In comment 12164111 Big Rick in FL said: Was an All-Pro in 2010 & 2013. Both before Revis got there. Not bad to have a two time All-Pro in 4 NFL seasons.

McCourty has 5 pro seasons under his belt.

that makes a ton of sense. I know that people are pointing to the Haynesworth run that Reese did in free agency. But the reality at that time, which we didn't know, was that both Robbins and Cofield were coming off microfracture surgery on their knees. The Giants had a huge need at DT and took their shot at Haynesworth, and when he went to Washington, that's when they changed course but went hard after Canty.

Going into 2015, as far as we know, the Giants DTs are pretty healthy, so the need isn't there to go all in on Suh. Going after safety help makes much more sense. My guess is Suh ends up in Miami when it's all said and done.

In comment 12164101 joeinpa said:

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are worth breaking the bank for...Suh is one Remember what Reggie White did for the Packers So if true, sorry to hear it is a smoke screen as to the Giants interest in Suh

It should be smoke..

Giants need Safety help.. OL help.. Slot corner help.. Linebacker help.. DT help...

They should NOT blow the wad on ONE player..

In comment 12164023 EricJ said:

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too often we hear Reese refer to a guy as being "clean". Suh IMO is not clean in the Giants eyes

agreed. Always thought this was Albert haynesworth 2.0, or shaun Rogers 3.0. Also imo not a Giants move to spend franchise qb money on a another team's player, even if the money was there.

Due diligence and "not leaving any rock unturned'' maybe. Chances are they have interest, they're looking to add talent to the dl, why wouldn't you be interested in the best on the market. even if you know he'll be far beyond what you can/will offer.

In comment 12164132 Klaatu said:

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In comment 12164129 ADeP7 said: Quote: Dallas oline is going to dominate us again Exactly. Because there's absolutely nothing the Giants can do between now and the start of the season to improve their defense. It sucks to be us.

Total mess up. Was suppose to have in there unless we snag one of the other dtackles in Williams or knighton.
Even then ayers or Moore starting opposite of jpp isn't a great prospect and no player we draft is going to be a great DEnd to start out. None of the prospects fit the bill
Suh I felt was the best way to combat Dallas and turn our defense into a a top 10 defense and make our dline phenomenal

Want this resolved before JPP sees some of the $$ being thrown around once March 10 rolls around.

...the Giants are soft as shit on both sides of the LOS.

Why is stating such a fact some how conflated with writing off the season in March?

And while I'm speaking about March... so what if a poster wrote the Giants off at this time last year?

That was regrettable, but also accurate.

And while I'm speaking of forecasts, here's one you can depend upon.

If the Giants don't get real men at the LOS via the Draft and Free Agency in the next 2-3 months, we'll be picking in the Top 10 again in 2016!

Probably won't, but he'd upgrade our DLine instantly more than anyone else can. Comparing him to Haynesworth and Rodgers is silly.

Ralph Vacchiano retweeted
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All of these allegations regarding my contract negotiations are entirely false. I haven't had discussions with any teams including NYG

So you're good with the same D-Line that was 30th in the NFL vs. the run last year?

That's a fuck ton of good news, I'd love to get suh if we could really open up the cap and it wouldn't completely cripple us, if not oh well spread it out, I'm really interested to see the price tags on Moore and McCourty, how amazing would it be if we could get both.. though I don't want us going absolutely nuts on either one, I feel like mccourty could get a huge contract

Accidentally hit 4. So 2 All-Pro seasons in 5 years. Better then anything we've ever had at Safety.

In comment 12164063 Boy Cord said:

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In comment 12164044 Joey from GlenCove said: Quote: Last year.. (objesus obv) and we've had a top 5 qb for a decade, I ain't mad Suh. He is the best player at his position. when is the last time we had one of those. 2014

but I cant see the number being anymore more than 3-4 million avg..

that kind of flexibility is what we need. Sign a big ticket item like Franklin/Mccourty and still have room to upgrade in other areas.

If we do get the extension done all of BBI entreat the universe to keep his back healthy.

In the quote, this site sucks on a phone lol

....where this defense allows 350 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs.

In comment 12164175 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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....where this defense allows 350 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs.

You, Devon, and Dumpster should all get a room.

Seasons over.

JPP and Hankins are very good players. More needs to get done but Suh isn't the only path to accomplish that. He's just the most expensive one. Personally his act on the field is a turn off but his talent is undeniable.

But there are other free agent dt's available
Jared Odrick
Stephen Paea
Corey Peters
Dan Williams

In comment 12164183 Klaatu said:

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In comment 12164175 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: ....where this defense allows 350 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs. You, Devon, and Dumpster should all get a room.

And you can kindly go fuck yourself.

I'm not high on this team short term prospects, but I'm not complaining about interest in a known good safety that isn't old or with a sketchy injury history. It's not going to fix the team or make them a serious contender in 2015, but it's a logical move to at least show interest with a guy like McCourty, if they don't have to do too much contract shuffling (though he probably will cost enough, given the market, to require that).

In comment 12164076 DavidinBMNY said:

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This year the safety class in the draft and FA is weak. Meanwhile the trenches has some depth to it in the draft. The real strength of the top of the draft looks to be pass rush and WR. Then there are a number of OL and DL in the top 50 to be meaningful additions. If the giants so choose they can probably make strong editions in tne trenches the first few rounds. Safety, there is almost no depth plus the NYG have young guys in Berne and Taylor, they need a. Et

I have checked out some of those weaksafetyies you talk about
and seea lot of potential there. Take a look at the measurables, especially some of the guys expected to go rd's 3-5. 1 in particular is the kid from SU, Durrell Eskridge.

In comment 12164195 jayg5 said:

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But there are other free agent dt's available Jared Odrick Stephen Paea Corey Peters Dan Williams

THANK YOU..

Odrick.. Langford.. Williams..

thanks for not keeping us in suspense for too long

We wouldn't all love to sign Suh. I can't stand the guy and I would hate to root for a team that he is on. Guys like him get their own QB killed in retaliation for the cheap shots he dishes out.

draft or sign another good LB, and continue to expect good things from Bromley. We will NOT have as soft a defensive front seven as last year.

In comment 12164103 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 12164072 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12164046 pjcas18 said: Quote: Is JPP's agent that gullible that the masses on BBI can see the leaked news as a ruse simply to motivate this guy somehow, but the man who makes a living negotiates contracts is fooled by it like an onion article. Plaxico Burress' agent played hardball. The Giants let him walk and suddenly there was word the Giants were interested in David Terrell. Suddenly Burress signed. JPP HAS BEEN TAGGED. all the other examples are not relevant. I would believe this Suh interest is a smokescreen leaked to increase his price for other teams. Absolutely. To increase the urgency of other teams. To have them react to the potential of seeing Suh on the Giants and pursue other players. But no, that leak is not motivating JPP's agent.

I understand that he's been tagged. He can still be dealt, and he can still just play for 1 season at the tag salary. Floating interest in Suh demonstrating the Giants will just spend their money elsewhere if the agent is just gunning to break the bank as Eric's rumor post suggests.

Just a note of thanks

In comment 12164200 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12164076 DavidinBMNY said: Quote: I've looked them up and down and for the most part.. it's a terribly weak class especially for rangey coverage safties, seems like all the decent prospects this year are box safties, which we may need, we may not need, but we undoubtedly need someone who can cover ground back there such as mccourty or moore This year the safety class in the draft and FA is weak. Meanwhile the trenches has some depth to it in the draft. The real strength of the top of the draft looks to be pass rush and WR. Then there are a number of OL and DL in the top 50 to be meaningful additions. If the giants so choose they can probably make strong editions in tne trenches the first few rounds. Safety, there is almost no depth plus the NYG have young guys in Berne and Taylor, they need a. Et I have checked out some of those weaksafetyies you talk about and seea lot of potential there. Take a look at the measurables, especially some of the guys expected to go rd's 3-5. 1 in particular is the kid from SU, Durrell Eskridge.

Regardless, you're a whiny POS. You were a whiny POS before, and you're still a whiny POS.

I've looked them up and down and for the most part.. it's a terribly weak class especially for rangey coverage safties, seems like all the decent prospects this year are box safties, which we may need, we may not need, but we undoubtedly need someone who can cover ground back there such as mccourty or moore

And a starting guard in the first wave and we're in good shape. We can focus on BPA in the draft. There will be DTs and linebackers available that can help us when the dust settles. I believe our top priority is a safety and we're in good shape. No need to panic.

You root for the jersey! Suh is a hell of a player and I'd have a hard time believing you wouldn't root for the nyg if they did sign him. Pending a different approach to free agency it doesn't look like you have to worry about it.

Suh!!!!!!!

In comment 12164152 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Probably won't, but he'd upgrade our DLine instantly more than anyone else can. Comparing him to Haynesworth and Rodgers is silly.

My comparison to haynesworth and rodgers is about the speculation/rumors tying the Giants to them as strong contenders to sign them. While there may be interest, I don't believe it was ever going to be a competitive offer.

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In comment 12164152 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Probably won't, but he'd upgrade our DLine instantly more than anyone else can. Comparing him to Haynesworth and Rodgers is silly. My comparison to haynesworth and rodgers is about the speculation/rumors tying the Giants to them as strong contenders to sign them. While there may be interest, I don't believe it was ever going to be a competitive offer.

Gotcha.

In comment 12164230 Old Dirty said:

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And a starting guard in the first wave and we're in good shape. We can focus on BPA in the draft. There will be DTs and linebackers available that can help us when the dust settles. I believe our top priority is a safety and we're in good shape. No need to panic.

You Dirty Old Bastid: I agree 100%. NEED a F/A guard that can run block. Franklin can play guard or RT, good in pass pro and very good in run blocking. I really really hope Reese goes hard for him.

total guaranteed money for JPP, what is your guess?

Do you think it's more than 25 - 30M? Say 35M at most?

he's getting 15M this year if he signs the FT.

More than likely I see him signing a 6 year 65M deal with maybe 30 - 35 guaranteed.

If he plays on the FT this year, some team will probably still give him that same deal next year and it turns into a 7 year 80M deal with 50M guaranteed.

this is just my opinion, but because he's earned 17M already and he'll earn 15M for one season in 2015, JPP and his agent are under no pressure to sign, they own the leverage, no matter what gets leaked about the Giants spending money on Suh. In fact, regardless of the Giants and the Suh leaks I'd bet JPP would get more simply by hitting FA than signing with the Giants before next week when FA begins.

I know it's a rumor most of the site has bought into, so maybe it's true, but I don't see it.

and I go back to my prior point. consider half this site is posting about the smokescreen and how it's intended to motivate JPP and his agent. How does he not know this?