Until draft day. I think they are going to move up to 2 for him. Don't think Chip takes a chance of missing out on him. They aren't gonna have draft picks for awhile so he cleared space to fill the roster.
He will give away the farm to get him and then build out from him. Chip will be going into year 3 of his six year deal. He probably figures Mariotta gives him the best chance for a SB within that window.
It is quite a scheme and if it works, people will be looking back on his moves as a grand plan. If it all fails, he can say he gave it his best shot and it was a grand fail.
Geno Smith and Mariota are close to the same athlete. The physical differences truly are neglible unless you have a thing about black QBs.
Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
Geno Smith and Mariota are close to the same athlete. The physical differences truly are neglible unless you have a thing about black QBs.
Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
(snort) Bob, you're talking about the Jets, c'mon. They're capable of all kinds of stupidity. Then again, they have a new regime. Maybe they'll bring some sense with them.
Geno Smith and Mariota are close to the same athlete. The physical differences truly are neglible unless you have a thing about black QBs.
Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
This only matters if they really think GS is a franchise QB. I can't see how anyone can think that. How do they let MM go when GS is the alternative. Now, I could be wrong about GS or how good MM can be but standing pat with GS as your QB when you have a shot at MM seems like a typical dumb Jets move.
Yes, no sense trying to surround your QB with talent
A francise QB should take his team to the SB even if the LG uses the "holler block" - "he's coming," as his major pass blocking technique.
And there are not enough receivers that belong on a NFL roster, let alone be 1s or 2s.
People who make definitive claims that GS is not a franchise QB are stupid. Besides the organizational chaos, lack of surrounding talent, etc. this is still a college spread QB entering his 3rd year as a pro. We can definitively say he is not Andrew Luck. Having watched them both develop, or not, he has probably done more in his first 2 years with the surrounding cast than Eli would have done.
In short, the jury should be still out on GS. You probably get a better team result with GS + in 2015 than with MM.
RE: Yes, no sense trying to surround your QB with talent
A francise QB should take his team to the SB even if the LG uses the "holler block" - "he's coming," as his major pass blocking technique.
And there are not enough receivers that belong on a NFL roster, let alone be 1s or 2s.
People who make definitive claims that GS is not a franchise QB are stupid. Besides the organizational chaos, lack of surrounding talent, etc. this is still a college spread QB entering his 3rd year as a pro. We can definitively say he is not Andrew Luck. Having watched them both develop, or not, he has probably done more in his first 2 years with the surrounding cast than Eli would have done.
In short, the jury should be still out on GS. You probably get a better team result with GS + in 2015 than with MM.
So GS has shown you that he is a franchise QB? All I said was he hasn't shown he is one yet. If you're willing to wait for him then you are. If I'm the Jets I'm not standing pat with GS. I certainly could be wrong about him or MM. I just think in the NFL today you have to pursue franchise QBs first and foremost. And whether the Jets are better in 2015 with GS over MM means nothing. The only thing that matters is getting someone good enough to take you all the way. Do you think GS can do that?
like Kelly is going to get Mariota at all costs. Somebody will make a deal guaranteed. Spags will have his work cut out for him next season against that offense.
like Kelly is going to get Mariota at all costs. Somebody will make a deal guaranteed. Spags will have his work cut out for him next season against that offense.
like Kelly is going to get Mariota at all costs. Somebody will make a deal guaranteed. Spags will have his work cut out for him next season against that offense.
Bring it on. The rookie doesn't scare me.
Same here. This has disaster written all over it for the Eagles. What a shame ;-)
Believes in acquiring classic dropback, pocket passers. On one hand, that makes sacking opposing QBs tougher. OTOH, running QBs have won less SBs, and get hurt more.
Believes in acquiring classic dropback, pocket passers. On one hand, that makes sacking opposing QBs tougher. OTOH, running QBs have won less SBs, and get hurt more.
Romo is a pocket passer. A mobile one but a pocket passer nevertheless.
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There is no way your complete comment can be taken in any manner other than a complete dismissal of GS ever being a franchise QB.
And you may turn out to be correct. But, to believe that you have seen anything that provides an educated basis for that opinion is stupidity, if knee jerk opinions fall under the heading of stupidity.
If GS is as bad as his detractors claim - it is a very good possibility that the Jets will have the pick of the litter in the 2016 QB class.
The Eagles would have to give a King's Ransom to move that far up. What do you think they would have to give? Would two #1s, a #2, and Foles be enough? Maybe the Jets want Sanchez back? ;-)
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It is quite a scheme and if it works, people will be looking back on his moves as a grand plan. If it all fails, he can say he gave it his best shot and it was a grand fail.
Either way he comes out looking pretty good.
Eli was the consensus #1 QB and the consensus #1pick in the draft and the Giants only moved 4 spots.
What I can't understand is the Jets passing on him and going with Smith. Talk about a bad decision. Smith is never going to take them anywhere.
Mariota could not hold Eli's jock coming out of College
Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
(snort) Bob, you're talking about the Jets, c'mon. They're capable of all kinds of stupidity. Then again, they have a new regime. Maybe they'll bring some sense with them.
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Geno Smith has now had 2 years experience in something other than the spread offense he came from. He also has some familiarity with returning receivers Decker, Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland. He also was more than an acceptable starting pro QB in his final 4 games (conveniently overlooked by the GS haters).
Mariota has no experience out of a spread, and no familiarity with the returning Jet receivers.
In a fair training camp competition, the odds strongly favor Geno rather easily beating out MM. That is a disaster for the Jets if they have now wasted their 2015 6th pick on MM.
This only matters if they really think GS is a franchise QB. I can't see how anyone can think that. How do they let MM go when GS is the alternative. Now, I could be wrong about GS or how good MM can be but standing pat with GS as your QB when you have a shot at MM seems like a typical dumb Jets move.
And there are not enough receivers that belong on a NFL roster, let alone be 1s or 2s.
People who make definitive claims that GS is not a franchise QB are stupid. Besides the organizational chaos, lack of surrounding talent, etc. this is still a college spread QB entering his 3rd year as a pro. We can definitively say he is not Andrew Luck. Having watched them both develop, or not, he has probably done more in his first 2 years with the surrounding cast than Eli would have done.
In short, the jury should be still out on GS. You probably get a better team result with GS + in 2015 than with MM.
And there are not enough receivers that belong on a NFL roster, let alone be 1s or 2s.
People who make definitive claims that GS is not a franchise QB are stupid. Besides the organizational chaos, lack of surrounding talent, etc. this is still a college spread QB entering his 3rd year as a pro. We can definitively say he is not Andrew Luck. Having watched them both develop, or not, he has probably done more in his first 2 years with the surrounding cast than Eli would have done.
In short, the jury should be still out on GS. You probably get a better team result with GS + in 2015 than with MM.
So GS has shown you that he is a franchise QB? All I said was he hasn't shown he is one yet. If you're willing to wait for him then you are. If I'm the Jets I'm not standing pat with GS. I certainly could be wrong about him or MM. I just think in the NFL today you have to pursue franchise QBs first and foremost. And whether the Jets are better in 2015 with GS over MM means nothing. The only thing that matters is getting someone good enough to take you all the way. Do you think GS can do that?
Bring it on. The rookie doesn't scare me.
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like Kelly is going to get Mariota at all costs. Somebody will make a deal guaranteed. Spags will have his work cut out for him next season against that offense.
Bring it on. The rookie doesn't scare me.
Same here. This has disaster written all over it for the Eagles. What a shame ;-)
Romo is a pocket passer. A mobile one but a pocket passer nevertheless.
And you may turn out to be correct. But, to believe that you have seen anything that provides an educated basis for that opinion is stupidity, if knee jerk opinions fall under the heading of stupidity.
If GS is as bad as his detractors claim - it is a very good possibility that the Jets will have the pick of the litter in the 2016 QB class.