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Terrence Knighton or Dan Williams

Andy in Boston : 3/5/2015 8:31 am
both very solid run stuffing DT's who I think would be great fits for the Giants. Reading that Knighton is going to Oakland, which I'm hoping isn't the case. Either one of these guys paired with Hankins inside gives the Giants a massive and formidable interior, (both are 335 lbs plus) with Jenkins and Bromley rotating in. And they can easily afford either one. Thoughts?

Oakland  
Toth029 : 3/5/2015 8:41 am : link
Will throw big dollars at Knighton.

Williams is a good option too, but he might get looks from 3-4 teams.
Prefer Dan Williams..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/5/2015 8:41 am : link
He's also a year younger, albeit not all that an important factor
Or they could have kept  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/5/2015 8:42 am : link
Joseph. His first year was high but all that counts is guaranteed $$ to these guys. Joseph and Hankins would have had DT set for years.
RE: Or they could have kept  
Big Blue '56 : 3/5/2015 8:46 am : link
In comment 12164664 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Joseph. His first year was high but all that counts is guaranteed $$ to these guys. Joseph and Hankins would have had DT set for years.


But they didn't, so give it up, you bastid..(GRIN)

The question is Knighton or Williams..:)
All about multiple big bodies inside  
Sy'56 : 3/5/2015 8:50 am : link
But I think NYG would look for a better penetrating presence to put next to Hankins.
Sy  
Toth029 : 3/5/2015 8:54 am : link
Corey Peters is one I like for that, although I question NYG looking in that direction. Bromley likely fits that mold for them, while he hasn't necessarily shown it on the field.
RE: RE: Or they could have kept  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/5/2015 8:55 am : link
In comment 12164665 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12164664 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Joseph. His first year was high but all that counts is guaranteed $$ to these guys. Joseph and Hankins would have had DT set for years.



But they didn't, so give it up, you bastid..(GRIN)

The question is Knighton or Williams..:)


Ha like a thorn in my paw. Thanks Doc. Time to Let it go Haha

Williams. need too many other positons to over pay at DT. The need is there for one more body as I think Parterson is gone and Kuhn is no more than depth.
Dan Williams is who I wanted the Giants to draft in 2010...  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/5/2015 8:58 am : link
...instead of JPP. So that shows what I know.
No thanks to Porkchop  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/5/2015 9:06 am : link
has annual weight issues and isnt always motivated to bring his best especially if he gets his financial security. The type of player that gets a big 5 year deal from the Raiders and goes into obscurity after 2 years only to be re-released onto the market.
RE: All about multiple big bodies inside  
Andy in Boston : 3/5/2015 9:17 am : link
In comment 12164673 Sy'56 said:
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But I think NYG would look for a better penetrating presence to put next to Hankins.


I hear you , but I just think there will be a focus on big bodies given how bad they were against the run. I think they need a Shaun Rogers type.
RE: All about multiple big bodies inside  
yatqb : 3/5/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12164673 Sy'56 said:
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But I think NYG would look for a better penetrating presence to put next to Hankins.


I agree. I keep wondering whether Malcom Brown is in play at 9, but can't see it with them having invested a pick in Bromley. Instead I expect them to sign a moderately priced 3 technique guy in FA, and then draft another, bigger guy who can sub for Hankins as needed.
I like both, Knighton seems to be more active when you watch him  
Eric on Li : 3/5/2015 9:28 am : link
and I've always thought Williams seems to be a more consistent inside presence. That said, PFF had the following last year:

Knighton - 528 snaps - 15 qb hurries/hits - 20 stops
Williams - 427 snaps - 14 qb hurries/hits - 22 stops

They were #9 & #10 respectively vs. the run. I think either one would pair up great next to Hankins and make this team much tougher to play against. To Sy's point I think the 3rd guy in this convo is probably Odrick, because he is more of a rusher/penetrator. His numbers are as follows:

Odrick - 817 snaps - 27 qb hurries/hits - 19 stops
*his 2013 numbers were even better with 31 hits/hurries and 29 stops

All told, I'll take any of them + McCourtney + an OL and it will be our best FA class since Boley/Canty/Rolle.
The year before last  
Andy in Boston : 3/5/2015 9:29 am : link
We were ranked 8 against the run.... I think Rogers helped with that. Even though he ended up getting hurt.
The last 2 times the giants played Denver  
Andy in Boston : 3/5/2015 9:31 am : link
And lost.... I thought knighton was a major factor
knighton  
area junc : 3/5/2015 9:39 am : link
is a top 5 DT in the league. williams will be much cheaper though
RE: All about multiple big bodies inside  
chris r : 3/5/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12164673 Sy'56 said:
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But I think NYG would look for a better penetrating presence to put next to Hankins.


That would be a mistake given a) we ranked 30th vs the run last year; b) Hankins is a great pass rusher for a DT; c) Spags likes to play DEs inside on passing downs.
How many DTs do you think the Giants will carry?  
Klaatu : 3/5/2015 10:11 am : link
In recent years it's been five, but for a while it was only four. More often than not, only three are active on game days because the Giants put their DEs inside quite a bit.

Right now, the Giants have five DTs on their roster: Hankins, Jenkins, Bromley, Kuhn, and Hamilton. Hankins isn't going anywhere, anytime soon, and neither is Bromley (no matter what the "Jerry Reach" crowd thinks). That's two. Figure Jenkins is not in their long-term plans, but he'll still be on the team in 2015. That's three.

Kuhn (29) and Hamilton (26) are both signed through 2016, but both are also eminently upgradeable. It's not likely, though, that the Giants will cut bait with Kuhn...not this year anyway. That's four. What happens with Hamilton is anybody's guess. I'm not sure if he's PS-eligible, but if he is, that's probably where he'll end up if he doesn't get released outright.

The way I see it, if the Giants sign one of the better free agent DTs to a multi-year deal, I doubt they'll draft one unless the value is overwhelming (and even then it would probably be a mid-to-late rounder). If they don't sign a top-tier UFA, I would expect them to use a premium draft pick on a DT (as they've often done in recent years), and not just as a hedge against Hankins taking the Cofield/Joseph route, but because the shelf-life is limited with Jenkins and Kuhn.
I don't see a big money DT signing  
BillT : 3/5/2015 10:11 am : link
Hard to see how they can sign top dollar OL and safety and a premier DT as well.
I don't think Williams  
RappingFrog : 3/5/2015 10:54 am : link
is going any where. I would love to add him or Odrick.
Sy, Do you mean a guy like Darnell Dockett?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/5/2015 11:17 am : link
Oops....Never Mind.
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