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drkenneth : 3/5/2015 10:34 am
My old lady and I will be searching for a new home in the sticks of NJ. From initial looks, a lot of homes have septic systems, which seems scary.

Any suggestions/stories/experience?



Bob Banks: What is that smell?

Jack Byrnes: That smell, Bob, is our shit. Focker flushed the toilet in the den so the septic tank overflowed.

Greg Focker: I told you, Jack, it wasn't me. It was Jinx.

Jack Byrnes: Focker, I'm not going to tell you again! Jinx cannot flush the toilet. He's a cat for Christ sakes!

Larry: The animal doesn't even have thumbs, Focker.
I'm in the same boat  
jcn56 : 3/5/2015 10:39 am : link
luckily, the boat's not in the tank.

I had an inspector check out the place and I asked whether they look at that. They don't, but from what she told me it's a matter of having the thing pumped out and aerated regularly. Do that, and you're supposedly OK.
Have it inspected before  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/5/2015 10:40 am : link
you buy.

Make sure it is pumped out before you buy.

Have it pumped once a year as a habit and you will be fine.

Once a year may seem like over kill but better safe than sorry.
Or  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/5/2015 10:40 am : link
what jnc56 said
The house I grew up in had a septic system  
Wuphat : 3/5/2015 10:41 am : link
It was pumped annually and we never had an issue with overflow, leaks, etc.
ctc - hadn't thought of having it pumped out before I buy  
jcn56 : 3/5/2015 10:42 am : link
I did call a place for an inspection, and they told me they can't do it due to the current weather conditions. When I spoke with the inspector, I asked whether I should make it a condition that they pump it out before I take delivery and she said like anything else, there's a good chance they don't do squat and just say they did (or hire someone to do a half-assed job) and that I should have it pumped out when I buy it regardless.
No worries.  
Randy in CT : 3/5/2015 10:45 am : link
During inspection do what we did. Hire a septic guy for a hundred or two to check it out separately.

There's no smell.

Get it cleaned every couple years and you'll be ahead of the game.

If you wanted to be extra careful you could get the soil tested in the leach fields to see if you have to address that in the future which could be expensive.
Depending on the time fo year  
Chef : 3/5/2015 10:45 am : link
you can do a visual inspection of the leach field.. soggy areas or unusual lawn growth and or color? odors?
They don't backup  
mrvax : 3/5/2015 10:47 am : link
unless it's an old pool and over time the walls cannot let water drain. The septic tank empties broken down solids into the cesspool.

Normally when a pool needs service, the cesspool & septic tank are pumped. Have the maintenance guy add 10 gallons of sulfuric acid to loosen the gunk on the walls, then add "Rid-X" (Walmart, Home Depot) once a month to your toilet. Should be fine after that. If you're pumping every year, there is a problem.
DrK  
prh : 3/5/2015 10:50 am : link
There's a dye you can use to see if tank and leech fields are functioning properly.

Info on dye testing - ( New Window )
You also have to be very carefull what goes down your drain  
Chef : 3/5/2015 10:50 am : link
with a septic system.. Screen out as much oils and solids as possible.. expecialy oils and grease.. clogs the leach field
RE: They don't backup  
Moondawg : 3/5/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12164898 mrvax said:
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unless it's an old pool and over time the walls cannot let water drain. The septic tank empties broken down solids into the cesspool.

Normally when a pool needs service, the cesspool & septic tank are pumped. Have the maintenance guy add 10 gallons of sulfuric acid to loosen the gunk on the walls, then add "Rid-X" (Walmart, Home Depot) once a month to your toilet. Should be fine after that. If you're pumping every year, there is a problem.


You may pump every year without a problem. It all depends on the size of the septic and the number of people in your household. Our kids are bigger now, and we are happy to spend the extra 150 a year instead of every 2 years just to avoid disastrous problems.
RE: You also have to be very carefull what goes down your drain  
Moondawg : 3/5/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12164910 Chef said:
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with a septic system.. Screen out as much oils and solids as possible.. expecialy oils and grease.. clogs the leach field


Yes. Good points.
You need to get it inspected  
SLIM_ : 3/5/2015 11:04 am : link
that's a given. The sale has to wait for that.

Once you are sure it is fully functioning than it is learning a little as you go. Each system is different (along with the use). I may pump mine out every 4 years. I add RidX once a year. No problems knock on wood.
Not sure where you're looking  
antdog24 : 3/5/2015 11:22 am : link
but I live up in the sticks in NJ (highland lakes). I bought my house 10 years ago and I had the leach field and septic tank inspected. The Leach Field failed and had to be replaced. The sellers wanted to give me the money to do it but I opted to have them pay to get it done before I closed on the house. Ever since I put enzymes down the drain every 6 months and have it pumped out every 2 years as recommended by my septic company.
RE: RE: They don't backup  
mrvax : 3/5/2015 11:32 am : link
In comment 12164911 Moondawg said:
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You may pump every year without a problem. It all depends on the size of the septic and the number of people in your household. Our kids are bigger now, and we are happy to spend the extra 150 a year instead of every 2 years just to avoid disastrous problems.


Agreed. The only danger is when you pump out a very old pool which have been known to collapse. I was implying that you shouldn't need to pump annually unless your cesspool isn't draining very well. How old is the house?

I offered a few things to do to avoid annual pumping in my above thread. Of course if you use your house drains excessively, like you have quite a few people there AND your washer empties into the cesspool, there's not a lot of options save the one you already take (annual pumping). BYW: $150 per isn't a bad price. The dumping fees are very high.
I would make very sure that you know....  
Crispino : 3/5/2015 11:45 am : link
the history of the installation and maintenance of the system. A problem, whether it's leakage, and certainly if it's a replacement can be very expensive and time consuming. Don't buy a potential problem thinking it's nothing to worry about. You can be looking at $20k or more to do a remediation and/or replacement.
As others have said, have it inspected  
Dang Man : 3/5/2015 12:10 pm : link
I'm pretty sure in NJ you can not close on the sale of a home if a septic system fails inspection. To be honest, it isn't the worst thing in the world if it fails, you'll get a new system out of it (assuming you have a motivated seller). You save yourself a decent amount of money and you shouldn't have anything to worry about for 30-40 years. This is the exact situation I found myself in a few years back.
RE: RE: RE: They don't backup  
Moondawg : 3/5/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12164993 mrvax said:
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In comment 12164911 Moondawg said:


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You may pump every year without a problem. It all depends on the size of the septic and the number of people in your household. Our kids are bigger now, and we are happy to spend the extra 150 a year instead of every 2 years just to avoid disastrous problems.



Agreed. The only danger is when you pump out a very old pool which have been known to collapse. I was implying that you shouldn't need to pump annually unless your cesspool isn't draining very well. How old is the house?

I offered a few things to do to avoid annual pumping in my above thread. Of course if you use your house drains excessively, like you have quite a few people there AND your washer empties into the cesspool, there's not a lot of options save the one you already take (annual pumping). BYW: $150 per isn't a bad price. The dumping fees are very high.


Ah, got it. If it is a pool. We don't have that. Our house is only 20 years old.
RE: Have it inspected before  
mattlawson : 3/5/2015 12:25 pm : link
In comment 12164875 ctc in ftmyers said:
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you buy.

Make sure it is pumped out before you buy.

Have it pumped once a year as a habit and you will be fine.

Once a year may seem like over kill but better safe than sorry.



you're right. we had a plumbing issue this year and after going through all that, ill have my septic pumped every year to be on the safe side. you dont want that shit backing into the house
apparently yeast is good for the bacteria as well.  
mattlawson : 3/5/2015 12:26 pm : link
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Don't know of anyone  
fkap : 3/5/2015 12:49 pm : link
who pumps once a year. that seems mega overkill. keep your septic happy (minimize soap and sanitizers/bleach), and you can go 10-15 years easy.
Sounds like I should hold up  
jcn56 : 3/5/2015 12:53 pm : link
I had the place inspected, but I couldn't get the septic inspected due to the heavy snow/ice cover. It's a relatively new home (built in 02), does that factor at all into the health of the system? What's the lifespan on these things?
RE: Don't know of anyone  
Moondawg : 3/5/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12165138 fkap said:
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who pumps once a year. that seems mega overkill. keep your septic happy (minimize soap and sanitizers/bleach), and you can go 10-15 years easy.


We may be talking about different things. What I (and I think ctc) means is having someone take out the raw waste, which doesn't pass through the leach field. This is usually done between 1-3 years at a time.
The  
blue42 : 3/5/2015 1:14 pm : link
newer systems have two tanks...usually 1,000 gallons that are connected at the top. The solid tank spills into the liquid tank at the top insuring all the solid waste stays in the solid tank at the bottom. Keep in mind in a newer system you'll have a pump at the bottom of the liquid tank to push the liquid tank effuent thru the leach field.Older systems rely on gravity. If you have a new system with a pump a generator is a must.

I agree with hiring a septic specialist for the inspection given the cost of replacing a bad system.

moondawg, blue42  
fkap : 3/5/2015 1:49 pm : link
my system has a 2 part tank. everything flows into the first tank. the solids decompose. the liquids flow then flow into the 2nd tank and then into the leach field. Every septic system I've ever seen, the solids decompose to almost nothing, and rarely need pumping out. there shouldn't be any raw sewage to pump out, unless you're overloading the system.

the only reason a pump is necessary is if the leach field is higher than the tank. the only thing that should be going into the leach field is liquids, and gravity is fine for moving liquids. unless they're undersizing the leach field and are forcing the liquid out of the pipes via pumped pressure, I don't see why a pump is necessary.
RE: apparently yeast is good for the bacteria as well.  
mrvax : 3/5/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12165108 mattlawson said:
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The professionals will choose Rid-X. I believe it has yeast or something very similar. Many homeowners swear by it too. It worked well for me.
fkap  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/5/2015 2:01 pm : link
I have it budgeted to do it once a year. I'm friends with the guy who owns the business. I know me. If I don't it'll be 7 years before I think about. Couple of hundred bucks. Two tank system.
Rid-X  
mrvax : 3/5/2015 2:02 pm : link



Go thru BBI Amazon but here's the linky - ( New Window )
Do an open pit test.  
therealmf : 3/5/2015 2:13 pm : link
Life of a septic of 30 years dependent on a lot of factors. I have a septic 22 years no troubles. Had an open pit test done when we purchased the house. It failed and the previous owner had to cough up the dough to replace.

Replacing a septic can be a nightmare. Laws and codes always seem to change.

Also, you best check with the town engineer to see if sewers are planned. Sewers are being installed and total costs, including town assessment, are estimated up to 25k.


FKAP,  
blue42 : 3/5/2015 3:18 pm : link
codes are different everywhere. A system that uses a pump to push the waste to the leech field does it much more efficiently than a gravity system. The disperdal is much wider than a gravity feed.Some towns will not let you install a that type of system anymore.

If you have a pump get a backup generator.
RE: FKAP,  
mrvax : 3/5/2015 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12165437 blue42 said:
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codes are different everywhere. A system that uses a pump to push the waste to the leech field does it much more efficiently than a gravity system. The disperdal is much wider than a gravity feed.Some towns will not let you install a that type of system anymore.

If you have a pump get a backup generator.


Interested in exactly how that works and the size of the tank.
I remember when I was about 12 and Suffolk County started the "Southwest Sewer District" fiasco.
This could be you!  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 3/5/2015 4:16 pm : link
Septics  
Hot Rod in Florida : 3/5/2015 6:13 pm : link
When I lived in Auburn, NY before I retired from the State and moved to Florida, I was a county health inspector and used to test the septic systems when a house was sold for the banks. I introduced a green dye and ran the water in the house for about an hour and checked the property for signs of the green dye showing up in the yard.

The septic tank is not the only part of the working system. The tank is mostly a holding system that will fill up with solids at the bottom and fill up with suds and floating material at the top. The baffle which hangs down about 18 inches into the tank prevents the tissue papers and floating stuff from entering the leach field. The tank should be pumped and inspected to verify that the tank is not leaking and that the baffles that keep the floating stuff from entering the leach-field are still intact. The tank should be routinely pumped every 3 to 5 years.

The working part of the septic system is the leach field or the drywells or sometimes a sand filter or another specialized system. It is the leach lines which let the waste water flow into the ground and seep away. If the system is undersized for the amount of water usage, then the leach lines will plug up and you will notice wet smelly spots in the yard. If you don't pump a tank frequently enough, then the sludge that's supposed to kept in the tank, will eventually plug up the leach-lines and you would have to replace the entire system.

BY the way, you don't need rid x or other additives. You will introduced all the bacteria you need just using the toilet. Some additives which eventually destroy your leachlines as they dissolved the sludge in the tank and send it into the leachlines. Don't use any chemicals in your toilets that are used to keep the toilets clean as they are disinfectants and disinfectants kill bacteria as will bleach. If you do laundry, you will be using bleach, but if you do too much laundry, your tank will not break down the solids as you are killing too many bacteria. The object of a good working system is to make the waste water effluent coming out of the tank and into the ground as clean as possible.

Hope this helps!
RE: Don't know of anyone  
mattlawson : 3/5/2015 8:00 pm : link
In comment 12165138 fkap said:
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who pumps once a year. that seems mega overkill. keep your septic happy (minimize soap and sanitizers/bleach), and you can go 10-15 years easy.



If the bacteria does its job you're right -- it is overkill. I know people who have never emptied theirs and have never had a problem. However our county requires a letter from a licensed inspector that shows its serviced every 5 years. They recommend you empty it more than that to avoid issues.

I will attest that you don't want septic issues.
Kenneth...  
EricJ : 3/5/2015 10:40 pm : link
I had a home with septic. The biggest issue is the leach field. Does not matter how often you pump out the tank. Eventually that field (dirt and stone) gets to the point where it can no longer manage the water properly. The oils that you flush down the drain eventually make their way out into the field and create a barrier which prevents the water from going down and instead it begins to float upwards.

The most expensive part of a septic job is digging up the leach field, disposing of the old dirt, and then bringing in new soil called bankrun.

My only suggestion is to find out how old that entire system is. If it is older than 20 years, then make sure you either get the seller to give you a credit for a new system, or plan to have to replace it yourself within the next 10 years.
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