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NFT: Islanders - Preds 8pm Game Thread

pganut : 3/5/2015 2:46 pm
Isles are in "Smashville" (as the locals call it...okayyy) to face the Preds. Although still leading the NHL in points, NSH has been out of sorts and have dropped four straight. These are the games that worry me...cannot imagine the Preds come out tonight looking to give any charity.

As Metnut mentioned earlier, Jaro Halak to get the start, and both Casey Cizikas as well as noted sniper Eric Boulton make their returns from IR and into the lineup (Mallrat to sit). Same defensive groupings as last game. My guess is Boulton takes Martin's place on L4.

Cappy on Neuvirth, who will likely get more work than just in the four sets of back-to-back games that remain.
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"He's going to get some playing time and we don't want to overwork anyone,"
And some more positive news on KO...he skated on Long Island for a third consecutive day. If he continues to progress, he should join the team's practice late next week when the Isles return home.

Funny thing I stumbled across today in hearing about that it's been nearly 13 years (!!) since the Isles last won in Nashville (5-2, on 4/12/2002). Look at the goal scorers from that game: Brad Isbister, Kip Miller, Oleg Kvasha, Mariusz Czerkawski and Mike Peca with an ENG. The goalie for that game?:
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Garth Snow improved his April record to 2-0, and won his 101st career game. Snow was credited with 23 saves.

Shhh...don't look now, but the PK is actually improved. Perfect in 9 of their last 11 games. Neither Hamonic nor Clutterbuck have been on-ice for an opponents PP goal in that span and they rank 4th and 5th in PK ice-time. Grabner has only been on-ice for 1 goal against, but missed the first couple of games. The PK has done well in this 11 game stretch despite a horrible faceoff win percentage on the kill of 35% (18 of 51)...this is a big issue, IMO.

And while not an Islanders-focused article (although it does make mention of Josh Ho-Sang), this is an important and disappointing read for hockey fans on issues of racism. Worth your time - Blue Lines and Black Stereotypes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-04/blue-lines-and-black-stereotypes

Let's Go Islanders!

Keep holding on so long
'Cause there's a chance
That we might not be so wrong
We could be down and gone
But we hold on


Good thread  
Fish : 3/5/2015 2:51 pm : link
Potvin.... You around for the game tonight or have a million other things going on?
Great news  
Metnut : 3/5/2015 2:52 pm : link
on Okposo. Getting him some games to get ready for the playoffs will be important for our chances.

Tough one tonight, especially so thin at foward, but we still have a lot of talent out there so hopefully we can steal 2 points.
anaheim actually leapfrogged them in points  
DaddyM89 : 3/5/2015 2:52 pm : link
they have 91 now.
Hey Tonelli  
pganut : 3/5/2015 2:57 pm : link
Yep, around for the whole deal tonight. Was out closing biz on Tuesday night so I can buy you knuckleheads some beers (well, scotch and bourbon for our crowd) in the playoffs!
Okposo  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 3:35 pm : link
1 week or 2 weeks of practice before a game? Do we just play it safe and bring him back march 24th at home vs minny or before that?
Very concerned playing the Preds right now.  
BlueHurricane : 3/5/2015 3:47 pm : link
Law of averages says they have to break out. Although they have looked a steaming pile of my bulldogs morning crapcakes sooner or later they will win.

Hopefully not tonight.
Yeah, I don't have a good feeling tonight either  
timintey : 3/5/2015 3:56 pm : link
and the Rangers are scorching hot right now. Any further word on Kennedy? Curious to see how he fits in...
I'm almost certain I know the answer here  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/5/2015 4:03 pm : link
But what the hell...

Is there a snowball's chance in hell of Okposo playing against the Rangers?
It'd be 6 weeks to the day  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/5/2015 4:03 pm : link
since the 6-8 week timeframe was announced by the club.
Not sure I agree with the viewpoint in that article pga  
timintey : 3/5/2015 4:06 pm : link
I don't think race has anything to do with many of the criticisms. There are plenty of white players around the league that are just as criticized. Just look through the Islander and Ranger threads. Pretty disappointed with the author. This is not what the league needs... jmo
tim  
pganut : 3/5/2015 4:29 pm : link
You're definitely entitled to your opinion (and certainly don't need me to tell you that). It just seems while there may be criticisms of white players, it's rarer to have it publicly discussed compared to the players mentioned in the article. In our camp, I can't really think of a player who had his work ethic questioned...maybe Kabanov, but we dealt with that internally instead of discussing things in the press...but it seems like the players in the article have unfairly fought criticism that the vast majority of others have not befallen.
true  
timintey : 3/5/2015 4:37 pm : link
but around the league there are plenty of examples. Phaneauf most recently...
RE: Hey Tonelli  
Fish : 3/5/2015 5:06 pm : link
In comment 12165397 pganut said:
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Yep, around for the whole deal tonight. Was out closing biz on Tuesday night so I can buy you knuckleheads some beers (well, scotch and bourbon for our crowd) in the playoffs!


Niiiiice. Always taste better when free.
The article is decent btw  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/5/2015 5:14 pm : link
But the reference to Kane's critiques being part of the problem are ridiculous. That had nothing to do with race. That had to do with the man literally not showing up for practice.
I believe the Islanders  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 6:35 pm : link
Right now are playing to the level of their competition. Like the fact that Casey will be back. We need a solid effort tonight heading into the next 3 games.
Nice  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:03 pm : link
To know cizikas is back. Boulton has to be way better than mallrat.
First minute in  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:10 pm : link
Preds are hitting hard.
Someone should tell the guys  
BlueHurricane : 3/5/2015 8:11 pm : link
The puck dropped
They  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:14 pm : link
Must know preds are going to do everything to get a Win tonight.
There is a game tonight?  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 8:16 pm : link
Sincerely,
Jack Capuano
Time for  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:21 pm : link
CMAC to be on his way.
Why was L4  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 8:23 pm : link
Out against Forsberg?
Nice  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:24 pm : link
Shift.
Excellent chance there for  
mikeygiants : 3/5/2015 8:25 pm : link
Leddy.
JT is going to net a couple tonight  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:26 pm : link
I feel it
and there's 1  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:29 pm : link
!
Good effin call tim  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:29 pm : link
JT 1-0.
There's one!  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 8:30 pm : link
L1 only one who showed up
Powerball numbers  
mikeygiants : 3/5/2015 8:30 pm : link
any idea?
Way to go Tim  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 8:32 pm : link
Better job JT. In a meeting trying to follow so give me a good blow by blow.
12  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:35 pm : link
Wrong thread bro. Rangers thread for suckin it.
Fish?  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 8:37 pm : link
Confused?
Fish  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 8:39 pm : link
Never mind just got it. Like I said in a meeting.
another good shift  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:39 pm : link
.
Led Zep  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:41 pm : link
on the pp. Maybe Lee tipped
Sweet  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:41 pm : link
2 nil. Lee tip in from leddy
Awesome camera work msg  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 8:42 pm : link
Great pp
No 12  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:42 pm : link
You said blow by blow.
Fuckin cmac  
Fish : 3/5/2015 8:43 pm : link
Didn't get it out
Unfucking real  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 8:43 pm : link
.
Dammit!!  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:44 pm : link
Grabner! What the fuck?
This team is fucking pathetic  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 8:44 pm : link
In the last minute of periods. They just love go give momentum back
That was a horrible  
mikeygiants : 3/5/2015 8:46 pm : link
clearing attempt.
What are the odds  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 8:47 pm : link
The preds score within first 2 mins on period 2 to tie it up
Can we ask the Nhl  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 8:50 pm : link
To just play 19 minute periods?
yeah, but then we don't get the loser point  
timintey : 3/5/2015 8:53 pm : link
the other night
outshot 15-5....  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:00 pm : link
that's gotta change
RE: yeah, but then we don't get the loser point  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12165917 timintey said:
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the other night


Or against Washington
Sick moves  
Fish : 3/5/2015 9:14 pm : link
JT
Oh Brock!!!  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:18 pm : link
sooo close
Man when leddy  
Fish : 3/5/2015 9:23 pm : link
And boychuk are back there open for a pass and ready to fire you feel something good might happen.
Sorry for the tardiness fellas  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:25 pm : link
Oooh, Leddy needed to bury that one.

We're snowed in here, so it turned into family movie night, snuggled with the kiddies.

Snuck some peeks at Gamecenter along the way, was bummed we were outshot 15-5 after 1. Glad to see that's changed. JT looks insane tonight...that dangle then between the legs of the Preds D before Rinne stopped the one hander...sick play.

Happy to be up 2-1, but we need to convert these chances. I don't have a good feeling about this. I feel like we're poking a bear here.
Viz  
Fish : 3/5/2015 9:26 pm : link
Has got to rip that shot.
Why didn't Viz blast that one?  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:28 pm : link
My lament for this year has been the focus on making the cute play/the extra move/the extra pass. Like you saw with Lee Tuesday, getting the puck to the net with urgency is a pretty frickin' good idea.
We  
Fish : 3/5/2015 9:28 pm : link
Took there best and we still up. We got this.....

.... Unless stupid shit kills us.
Tavares and Strome  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 9:33 pm : link
Have to cut down on the stupid penalties.
Whaddya know  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:33 pm : link
Setting NSH up nicely for another late goal. Awesome.
Off topic...12  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:39 pm : link
Saw on the other thread that you mentioned you're a financial advisor. Small world. Been in the business 23 years. Started at Smith Barney in 1992 and was in production there for about 10 years. Last ten years have been spent heading institutional business development throughout my territory (the Mid Atlantic region) for another major firm. We should compare notes offline sometime.
Yeah this 91 guy is pretty good  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:40 pm : link
...
Funny  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:42 pm : link
I was at Smith Barney too, after the Shearson acquisition... went to Pershing in Jersey City for a few years before heading south...
Wow, that's funny tim.  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:51 pm : link
I was SB before the Shearson acquisition. Still in the business?
I moved over to banking  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:52 pm : link
International finance at Wells. Been in Charlotte for 17 yrs now
Very cool  
pganut : 3/5/2015 9:54 pm : link
Gotta be a tough gig to beat B of A on their home turf. I love hearing about it, though...not a fan.
The wife is at BofA  
timintey : 3/5/2015 9:59 pm : link
but I'm not a fan either :)
PGA was at SB,  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 9:59 pm : link
Left in 2008. Tim now with that bank you mentioned. Very funny.
not liking this  
timintey : 3/5/2015 10:03 pm : link
at all
Wow, we're blowing a lot of tires tonight  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:04 pm : link
And also reverting to some sloppy possession this period. Lots of turnovers/giveaways. We're doing NSH lots of favors...if this keeps up, it's gonna cost us

I know all teams have injuries, but it really shows you the chemistry that exists when we have all "normal" lines in action.
Preds fans  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:05 pm : link
Love to whine.
What GREAT work by this line  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Leddy rewards them...awesome!
Leddy goal  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Nice shot
Leddy  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Must love playing Nashville
Led Zep!!!  
timintey : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
yes!!!!
Awesome goal what an effort  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
!
That  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Was a puck movement/possession/cycling clinic.
Leddy!  
Metnut : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Good thing we locked this kid up!
Leddy!!!!!!!!!!  
BlueHurricane : 3/5/2015 10:06 pm : link
Sweet.

Love him and Johnny B on D
Kulemin  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:07 pm : link
Absolute beast mode on that shift
Hmmm...  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:14 pm : link
Another goal against the fourth line right after we get one. Never saw that coming.
Never touched  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:14 pm : link
The stick
Ribiero  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:14 pm : link
Must have thought it was an 8-ball and got excited to get his mitts on it.
Bend  
mikeygiants : 3/5/2015 10:15 pm : link
over Isles fans.
Ugh.  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:15 pm : link
Great defense. Not.
WTF  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 10:16 pm : link
Why not coverage on Forsberg at the blue line. Cmon viz
Unbelievable....  
Metnut : 3/5/2015 10:16 pm : link
damn...
Awesome  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:16 pm : link
Isles. Real Fuckin great
This team sucks now  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:16 pm : link
Just keep ignoring that guys like viz, hickey and de haan fucking suck and dont bring up one or 2 of your top d prospects
RE: Ribiero  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12166037 pganut said:
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Must have thought it was an 8-ball and got excited to get his mitts on it.


Or his nanny
RE: This team sucks now  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 10:18 pm : link
In comment 12166044 KWhite2250 said:
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Just keep ignoring that guys like viz, hickey and de haan fucking suck and dont bring up one or 2 of your top d prospects


Viz and Hickey had their men but nobody had third guy
Brock!  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 10:19 pm : link
Buries one
HUGE ANSWER  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:19 pm : link
Brock Nelson!!
Brock  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:19 pm : link
Good goal.
Brock!!!!!  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 10:19 pm : link
.........
Nice  
BlueHurricane : 3/5/2015 10:19 pm : link
Shut the crowd up.

Way to hang tough.
Brock  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:20 pm : link
Has looked good all night, finally got one to go!!!
Wow those  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:20 pm : link
Fans want everything. Hate em.
Strome was supposed topick up the trailer  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:20 pm : link
On the last NSH goal. Very late in getting bak.

Rinne seems to be giving up a lot of rebounds on hard shots. Glad Brock finally got one on the board.
RE: Brock  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12166055 KWhite2250 said:
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Has looked good all night, finally got one to go!!!


Agreed.
RE: RE: This team sucks now  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12166047 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 12166044 KWhite2250 said:


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Just keep ignoring that guys like viz, hickey and de haan fucking suck and dont bring up one or 2 of your top d prospects



Viz and Hickey had their men but nobody had third guy


Hickey and viz cant hit a net. And they both make a ton of terrible turnovers. They arent good and our 3rd pairing will be weak as shit until they show some balls and give the kids a shot
Left my Council meeting  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 10:27 pm : link
Is was 3-1 I walk in just as Nelson put us back ahead. WTF! We have trouble keeping 2 and 3 goal leads.
Whoo hoo  
Fish : 3/5/2015 10:31 pm : link
Nice win boys.
They played awesome that last  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 10:32 pm : link
3 minutes in their end!

Yes!Yes!Yes!
At least we win in regulation  
Mike in NY : 3/5/2015 10:32 pm : link
But had we only allowed 1 or 2 I would have gotten a GWG for my fantasy team
Thats a big win  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:32 pm : link
Not sure if we have to forfeit saturday because we are going to pass the allowance of backup goalies played.
That is a huge win  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 10:34 pm : link
Now finish this weekend strong and get ready for the Rangers.
Very nice recovery for the win  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:36 pm : link
That was a very calm last 2 minutes for the Isles...no one panicked, no one was running ragged and did a great job clogging the entry attempts. Outside of a 40 second or so brain cramp, a nice job by one of the league's top teams against another of the league's top teams.

And I'll play devil's advocate for folks down on the Viz-Hickey pairing...A) did you expect in your wildest dreams when camp ended we'd be where we are today, and B) can you tell me any team that has 3 top-flite d-pairings top to bottom? If you look around the league, 14-11 is pretty damn good in comparison to most 3rd pairs.
that's how u bounce back  
theold5j : 3/5/2015 10:38 pm : link
This team is going to be playoff ready
Huge win  
timintey : 3/5/2015 10:42 pm : link
way to go boys!
Just came back from the bar  
JayBinQueens : 3/5/2015 10:47 pm : link
When the Pred's scored 2 in a row I was like "same old Islanders" except they came back and scored the winner with a few minutes left.
Would have been nice to get an empty netter but I won't complain.
Brock is getting back into the offense.
We got 2 points. In regulation. Vs a starter.


#WeWantPlayoffs
JT talking about the poise & composure on this team  
pganut : 3/5/2015 10:48 pm : link
On NHLN interview postgame. Mentioned nothing needed to be said after NSH scored the 2 quick ones to tie it. Praised Strome, Lee and Brock as young guys that teams have a hard time matching up with because of their skill sets. Also said Leddy is a horse, so reliable and dependable, smooth on his skates and brings a game like Scott Neidermayer. Of course also mentioned Boychuk, his on-ice presence but all he means to the team off the ice as well.
Pganut  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:48 pm : link
Come on dude, viz gets yo yo'd in and out for quite possibly one of the worst dmen in the game. Hickey played well last year and at the start of this year but he's been terrible since the break. I have said it all year, they are too small on D. What are Reinhart and Pulock learning down at bridgeport right now? They didnt trade for a low pairing dman so its about time to put Reinhart in. It wont happen because the gm/coach dont have the balls

And if you played a drinking gm during a gm and drank everytime "hickey shoots/fires wide" is said you'd be blackout drunk by the end of the game.
RE: Pganut  
JayBinQueens : 3/5/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12166092 KWhite2250 said:
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And if you played a drinking gm during a gm and drank everytime "hickey shoots/fires wide" is said you'd be blackout drunk by the end of the game.


To be fair... do you know how many Islanders we can sub Hickey's name out for in that scenario and still be retarded drunk?
RE: RE: Pganut  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 10:55 pm : link
In comment 12166096 JayBinQueens said:
Quote:
In comment 12166092 KWhite2250 said:


Quote:



And if you played a drinking gm during a gm and drank everytime "hickey shoots/fires wide" is said you'd be blackout drunk by the end of the game.



To be fair... do you know how many Islanders we can sub Hickey's name out for in that scenario and still be retarded drunk?


Well, yea, the other 2 guys who can be replaced also pretty much. Leddy, boychuk and hamonic hit the net more than miss. Boychuk does that half shot/pass shit too much. I dont think I can say anything negative about Leddy. He's all around awesome
RE: Pganut  
pganut : 3/5/2015 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12166092 KWhite2250 said:
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Come on dude, viz gets yo yo'd in and out for quite possibly one of the worst dmen in the game. Hickey played well last year and at the start of this year but he's been terrible since the break. I have said it all year, they are too small on D. What are Reinhart and Pulock learning down at bridgeport right now? They didnt trade for a low pairing dman so its about time to put Reinhart in. It wont happen because the gm/coach dont have the balls

And if you played a drinking gm during a gm and drank everytime "hickey shoots/fires wide" is said you'd be blackout drunk by the end of the game.
K-Dub, can't argue on the size aspect. But, Viz can't help Cappy being stupid (note: Strait and CMac shouldnot see the ice again. Ever.), nor can he fight the coaching staff's feeling that at 38, he needs to rest with some frequency. Hickey will never be a physical, shutdown D. He is very adequate on D because of his positioning and stickwork, but they love him for his hockey IQ. Like a 4th forward. And again, as far as a 3rd pair, you can do much worse.

I am a Griff fan, but by all accounts - and I read the CT Post frequently to get a feel for BPT - he hasn't shown the improvement in his game where the big club has confidence to bring him up for a greater role here in crunch time. I am an even bigger Pulock fan, and the only thing that kept him from being moved up was his (approx) 4 week upper body injury. He's still rounding into top form after his recovery, so he's not quite there yet at this point. I am sure they'll call him (or both) shortly. That said, with this effectively being a prelude to the playoffs, a team in the Isles position is going to play the experience of Hickey/Viz 100 times out of 100 as opposed to a rookie pairing. Maybe if we were running away with a crazy lead in the standings, but it figures the year we show a quantum leap in improvement, the rest of the East also have excellent years. I hope you don't mind our disagreeing on this.
I agree with PGA  
The 12th Man : 3/5/2015 11:08 pm : link
No way with the year they are having do you bring in rookie. If something bad happens the kid will never forget it. We are where we are with who we already have here. We all know who should never see the ice again. This is crunch time I think unless we have an injury what you see it what you are going to get.
Why would I mind disagreeing  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 11:09 pm : link
Its good to have discussions about isles hockey. Im not really pushing for both rookies but 1 of them. The word from Staple is that they will prob keep Griff around as an extra for the playoffs. If thats the plan, then I just dont see what he has and if he can upgrade the 3rd pairing. The 2nd time up, he showed much improvement from his earlier games.

I dont like looking at prospects in baseball/hockey and what they are doing in the minors. Many times the big prospect is on a terrible team/bad coaching or he's just reached that point that he knows he's coming up sooner or later and he isnt putting his full effort down there.(this might be looked at as a shitty attitude but it just seems to happen alot unfortunately)
That should say  
KWhite2250 : 3/5/2015 11:10 pm : link
Then why not see what he has
Brock  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 11:27 pm : link
I'll be the 1st to admit that the Isles have not been great since the injuries. They have been good but not great. Besides inconsistencies on D and Strait playing too much the #1 thing has been that no one elevated their game to take the place of Kyle, Grabbo, and Cizikas. Nelsen needs to be that guy. He needs to really break out again. Let's hope he does and then our wounded come back soon. Casey is back so no more mallrat. That's a start.


okposo  
theold5j : 3/5/2015 11:28 pm : link
Is joining the team fr the morning skate in Florida. Unlikely to play vs Florida or toronto, though. Kennedy also joining them ......as per newsday
RE: okposo  
Dave M : 3/5/2015 11:33 pm : link
In comment 12166118 theold5j said:
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Is joining the team fr the morning skate in Florida. Unlikely to play vs Florida or toronto, though. Kennedy also joining them ......as per newsday


Great news!
it'll take KO  
JayBinQueens : 3/5/2015 11:39 pm : link
at least 5 games or so to feel comfortable.
Happy he's back now. When we actually have days off between games.
If he can get back to normal the last 2 weeks of the seas that's a huge plus for the team
That's awesome  
pganut : 3/5/2015 11:40 pm : link
Let KO get his conditioning back and then get back to rolling a full 4 lines in a week to two. And with a quality backup in Neuvy getting some burn, knock wood, this team should be ready to roll through the rest of the regular season and at a gallop as the playoffs commence.
This is awesome  
The 12th Man : 3/6/2015 12:32 am : link
News. Can not wait to see him back on the ice.
RE: RE: Pganut  
Mike in NY : 3/6/2015 6:44 am : link
In comment 12166096 JayBinQueens said:
Quote:
In comment 12166092 KWhite2250 said:


Quote:



And if you played a drinking gm during a gm and drank everytime "hickey shoots/fires wide" is said you'd be blackout drunk by the end of the game.



To be fair... do you know how many Islanders we can sub Hickey's name out for in that scenario and still be retarded drunk?


If I heard one more time how Calvin deHaan had his shot blocked...
a couple of things  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 7:33 am : link
I watched it late last night, so didn't get to join the conversation..sucks.

I agree with KW that CDH has been disappointing this year. Not as bad as you think, but not good. He's a bottom pairing this year who is getting 2nd pairing time.

Viz seems defensively done. He still carries the puck well and takes shots, but he's not a good defensive player now (not that he was ever above average defensively, but he's now a liability).

Hickey is what he is. I've said a bunch that ideally, he's our next year's Strait. He can be a guy to get a start here and there, fill in for the injured. I think he's positionally a very good defenseman, but he's a leaf. Sad thing is, he DOES hit.. it's just that the other team doesn't feel it.


Where I DISAGREE with you, KW, is the kids in BPT. I watch a lot the BPT games (I travel a lot, and I get them streaming).. in fact, I'm going to see them tonight!

Pulock is NOT ready. If he comes up, he will contribute to scoring a lot, he just hasn't grasped the pro defense yet. At times he looks lost out there. Before his injury he started coming around, and now he's getting the rust off. He is a quick learner, and I'm not worried about him.

Reinhart is hard to read. He goes about his business, is very solid defensively but does NOT use his size at all. I'm SURE that's a reason he's not up. If he doesn't use his size in the NHL, they will skate around him.

I hope by next year the top 6 will be:

Boychuk
Leddy
Hamonic
Pulock
Reinhart
CDH

I'm fine with that. CDH is a better player than he is this year. Something is off. There are games where he's the player he was last year. But not enough.

Great post, feels  
pganut : 3/6/2015 7:57 am : link
Sucks you are missing some of these game threads.

I think guys like CDH need continuity and routine to perform well...really feeding off knowing their partner. With all the injuries that have happened frequently, albeit more nagging things as opposed to long term, the bottom 4 guys seem to have it affect them the most. Throw in Cappy's bizarre obsession with Strait also shuffling pairs, there has been actual few occasions where the pairs as they should be: 2-55, 3-44 and 11-14 have had the chance to play together regularly. The Boychuk injury ate significant time and caused ripple effects with pairings as did CDH's skate to the face. Heck, for as much as it's awesome to see Hammer's uptick in offense this year, I don't think he's had as decent a year defensively as last year. The flip side is that he's jumping up into the rush frequently, which you can't do unless you have a sound partner, and numbers or not this season CDH is. I just think we all expected better offensive production given his (CDH's) reputation as more offensive-minded.
RE: Great post, feels  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 8:00 am : link
In comment 12166221 pganut said:
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Sucks you are missing some of these game threads.

I think guys like CDH need continuity and routine to perform well...really feeding off knowing their partner. With all the injuries that have happened frequently, albeit more nagging things as opposed to long term, the bottom 4 guys seem to have it affect them the most. Throw in Cappy's bizarre obsession with Strait also shuffling pairs, there has been actual few occasions where the pairs as they should be: 2-55, 3-44 and 11-14 have had the chance to play together regularly. The Boychuk injury ate significant time and caused ripple effects with pairings as did CDH's skate to the face. Heck, for as much as it's awesome to see Hammer's uptick in offense this year, I don't think he's had as decent a year defensively as last year. The flip side is that he's jumping up into the rush frequently, which you can't do unless you have a sound partner, and numbers or not this season CDH is. I just think we all expected better offensive production given his (CDH's) reputation as more offensive-minded.


I'm not worried about CDH...hell, I'm not worried about Hickey. I DO agree that to take the next step, they need CDH to be a bottom pairing and Hickey to be a 7th.

In a perfect world, Pulock replaces Viz next year and pairs with CDH in the bottom pairing. Reinhart replaces Hickey and pairs with Hamonic. Hickey replaces Strait, and Strait is traded to Philly for a 2nd rounder ;)
100% on board with all of that  
pganut : 3/6/2015 8:03 am : link
Just a 2nd rounder? It's Philly...why not 2 of them!

Would love to get your take on Griff and Pulock after you see them live tonight.
RE: 100% on board with all of that  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 8:04 am : link
In comment 12166226 pganut said:
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Just a 2nd rounder? It's Philly...why not 2 of them!

Would love to get your take on Griff and Pulock after you see them live tonight.


last time I saw them Pulock was "called up" but not really? So he didn't play.. Grif was hurt, so didn't play.

I will tell you, I thought Pelech was awesome.
LOL  
pganut : 3/6/2015 8:08 am : link
I was at the Isles game that Pulock was "up" for. He dressed and skated in the warmup and then they sent him to the pressbox. Sucks, because I really hoped to se him play. I like Pelech a lot...scrappy and tenacious, but also seems to usually make the right play.
Looks to me  
Fish : 3/6/2015 8:31 am : link
Like Vis is avoiding contact. Getting the the way of the opposition only slightly. Therefore playing scared does not work.
I will take your word  
KWhite2250 : 3/6/2015 8:54 am : link
I've just read that Griffin seems to be the kind of guy that doesnt want to be down there. I think we can all agree the 2nd time up(was it 2gms?) he looked like he belonged.

I dont keep up on the minors but read somethings and it just seems like BST suck and Im not so excited to see these guys play and learn under Brent Thompson and get into the losing mindset. Not that Cappy and Cronin are much better but its a winning atmosphere up here now.
RE: I will take your word  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12166275 KWhite2250 said:
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I've just read that Griffin seems to be the kind of guy that doesnt want to be down there. I think we can all agree the 2nd time up(was it 2gms?) he looked like he belonged.

I dont keep up on the minors but read somethings and it just seems like BST suck and Im not so excited to see these guys play and learn under Brent Thompson and get into the losing mindset. Not that Cappy and Cronin are much better but its a winning atmosphere up here now.


agreed.. who the hell wants to play in Bridgeport, especially when they suck. It's awesome that he thinks he belongs. I think the #1 reason he's NOT up is because of playing time.
Glad to see  
Metnut : 3/6/2015 9:51 am : link
Nelson get on board. I think he's going to finish strong and be a key part of the playoffs for us.

That's great and unexpected news on Okposo. I figured they'd begin to ease him in after the road trip and he'd be about 10 days or so away from playing. It looks like he'll be back sooner.

What do you guys want to do with the lines once KO is back? I think Bailey and JT have great chemistry, so I woulnd't mind going JB/JT/KO on line 1, kid line for line 2, and then Franz/Kul/Grabs as a very solid line 3.

One other thing to note, Grabner is starting to skate really well again. I think he's been a part of our PK's imnprovement lately. If Grabovski gets healthy for the playoffs, Grabner seemed to be an obvious sit candidate, but I'm not sure we can afford to do it with the powerplays that NYR, Pit and WSH have.
We haven't discussed the kids in a while  
pganut : 3/6/2015 9:54 am : link
But Ho-Sang continues his tear potting another 2 goals on Tuesday night.

I also found this today, which comes from a list compiled by International Scouting Services scouts Matt Grainda and Paul Dionne and highlights the top 10 NHL-drafted prospects:
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7. Michael Dal Colle, wing, New York Islanders (Oshawa Generals, OHL)

With a big 6-foot-2, 190-pound stature, courageous attitude and top-notch offensive abilities, Dal Colle has the tools to be John Tavares’ future go-to winger. He has bettered his overall game as a more polished player in his third season in Oshawa this year, scoring 37 goals and 84 points in 49 contests along the way. The fifth overall pick of the 2014 draft will likely return for a fourth OHL season and play a big role on Canada’s world junior team next year before going pro.
Note: the players listed ahead of MDC are: Reinhart, Ehlers, Nylander, Bennett, Domi and Nurse.
What about  
Fish : 3/6/2015 9:56 am : link
Tyler Kennedy. Where does he play when all healthy?

Also we trash a lot of things about this team but need to know we are in first with these players. I like capuano and the team does as well. If Griff and pulock were better than our starters they would be playing instead. Isles brass knows better than us.
Another  
Fish : 3/6/2015 9:58 am : link
Year of da colle not being on the team. Why? Look at the forsbergs out there. Also they better let him wear his number on the Isles.
BTW, that's Sam Reinhart  
pganut : 3/6/2015 9:59 am : link
Ahead of MDC, not Griffin. You probably knew that but wanted to make that clear.

Metnut, good post. I don't think you can take Lee off of JT's wing right now. If anything, L1 as it is today has been very productive. I wouldn't mind a reuniting of the FNGO line as L2, and 86-29-18 as L3 if they had to make changes (this also assumes Grabbo is not back anytime soon). But KO was entering beastmode alongside JT before the injury, so a L1 of 27-91-21 would be damn near unstoppable pending a healthy Okposo.
RE: We haven't discussed the kids in a while  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:03 am : link
In comment 12166385 pganut said:
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But Ho-Sang continues his tear potting another 2 goals on Tuesday night.

I also found this today, which comes from a list compiled by International Scouting Services scouts Matt Grainda and Paul Dionne and highlights the top 10 NHL-drafted prospects:


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7. Michael Dal Colle, wing, New York Islanders (Oshawa Generals, OHL)

With a big 6-foot-2, 190-pound stature, courageous attitude and top-notch offensive abilities, Dal Colle has the tools to be John Tavares’ future go-to winger. He has bettered his overall game as a more polished player in his third season in Oshawa this year, scoring 37 goals and 84 points in 49 contests along the way. The fifth overall pick of the 2014 draft will likely return for a fourth OHL season and play a big role on Canada’s world junior team next year before going pro.

Note: the players listed ahead of MDC are: Reinhart, Ehlers, Nylander, Bennett, Domi and Nurse.


I'm pretty sure Ho-Sang hand 3 more points last night.
RE: What about  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12166389 Fish said:
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Tyler Kennedy. Where does he play when all healthy?

Also we trash a lot of things about this team but need to know we are in first with these players. I like capuano and the team does as well. If Griff and pulock were better than our starters they would be playing instead. Isles brass knows better than us.


it depends WHEN. Colin McDonald needs to go back down to bport.. when Okposo is back, then it's interesting.
RE: Another  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12166393 Fish said:
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Year of da colle not being on the team. Why? Look at the forsbergs out there. Also they better let him wear his number on the Isles.


I have no problem with him playing on the team next year. The only problem is, the ONLY UFA forward is Kennedy. Snow will have to make some moves to make room.. which is doable, but not "easy".
Very solid situation when healthy  
Fish : 3/6/2015 10:09 am : link
First of all JT is playing better than ever. Almost unstoppable.

12-91-21
18-29-27
86-51- 40 or 26 or 84
17-53-15

Nice depth, then you got the kids on the farm waiting....
I agree that there will be a couple of tough decisions  
pganut : 3/6/2015 10:11 am : link
After this season ends. We'll also be maneuvering to sign some of our key RFAs and this will mean that someone will get the short end of the stick. I can assume that we'll likely trade away some pieces to get something valuable as well. I hate the thought of breaking these guys up and having some miss out on the path that these guys are on in the near term, but you have to give to get. But we can worry about that after the playoffs.
RE: Very solid situation when healthy  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12166407 Fish said:
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First of all JT is playing better than ever. Almost unstoppable.

12-91-21
18-29-27
86-51- 40 or 26 or 84
17-53-15

Nice depth, then you got the kids on the farm waiting....



12-91-21 wait..did you just keep Bailey on L1? YOU?
18-29-27 ahh.. the infatuation of the KID LINE!
86-51- 40 or 26 or 84 40 isn't sitting! He is skating great
17-53-15 Ol' Faithful
If KO is healthy  
pganut : 3/6/2015 10:15 am : link
I look at 27-91-21 as an almost indefensible line. Lee, with the work he can do in front of as well as behind the net (he's become a very talented puck possessor in addition to being the master of the deflection), JT creating in space (and even when he doesn't have space) and drawing most of the D's attention, and KO doing his power forward/bull on the puck coming off the side boards...not many teams can handle that.

And if you didn't see the game last night, as opposed to watching just the 50-second highlight on NHL/Islanders.com, find the replay of the game. That sequence with the 86-51-40 line leading to Leddy's goal...that may have been the shift of the year. Kulie was insane, and Boychuk also had a huge pinch there.
haha  
Fish : 3/6/2015 10:17 am : link
Bailey stays. I like what Im seeing but enough about me. Its all about team.
Guys  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 10:17 am : link
is there a PRAYER for Okposo playing against the Rangers?

I would've said no 24 hours ago, but now he's traveling to Florida? Is there ANY chance? You guys tend to have a better grip on these matters than I.
RE: Guys  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12166432 Mike in Long Beach said:
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is there a PRAYER for Okposo playing against the Rangers?

I would've said no 24 hours ago, but now he's traveling to Florida? Is there ANY chance? You guys tend to have a better grip on these matters than I.


signs pointing at that being his game back.
No way on Hillis  
Fish : 3/6/2015 10:18 am : link
Okposo plays. All I need is for his eye to fall on the ice and I will lose my mind.
RE: haha  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12166430 Fish said:
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Bailey stays. I like what Im seeing but enough about me. Its all about team.


I'm torn on the Bailey/Lee situation once Okposo is back. It goes without saying that both players have been tremendous and much better than they've been with other pairings; the question is who will fall off further...

To me, that answer is Lee. Reunite the kid line, IMO. That's not for vanity reasons and liking "the kid line." They are a force together.
hillis  
Fish : 3/6/2015 10:18 am : link
fuckin auto save or correct.
I'd keep  
Metnut : 3/6/2015 10:19 am : link
MDC down in juniors for another year. I like the idea of waiting for prospects to be overipe before bringing them up. Part of being a contender is that we don't need to rush teenagers up to the NHL anymore. I'm a big fan of how the organization handled Strome.

We already have plenty of depth on forward so there's no need to rush him. Let's see MDC be the undisputed best player in junior hockey next year and then let's see him look strong in the AHL in the 2016-2017 season with a midseason callup being a possibility.
Fish and feelflows  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 10:21 am : link
with total opposite opinions.

my thought is, why would he travel to Florida if his return wasn't in the immediate future? I feel like they're targeting the Rangers game.
I would keep Lee with Tavares and Okposo  
marbles : 3/6/2015 10:24 am : link
Lee's game is perfect since he he has no problems going to the net. I think he allows more freedom for Tavares and Okposo.

As far as next year, and of course we hate doing it because as fans, we have a lot more this year to enjoy, but I will stick to my guns about dealing Franz.

Moving him will free up a spot for Dal Colle, among other things. The team will combine the success this year, with a big deal in the offseason, to highlight the move to Brooklyn, imo.
I think  
Fish : 3/6/2015 10:32 am : link
Okposo is traveling with team to begin early stages of getting his legs under him and getting him into the flow.
RE: I think  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:33 am : link
In comment 12166479 Fish said:
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Okposo is traveling with team to begin early stages of getting his legs under him and getting him into the flow.


he's been conditioning for a week.. next 4 days he will get in sync with the team. If it all works out, he will play next week.
I do not see KO  
The 12th Man : 3/6/2015 10:42 am : link
Coming right back to 1st line as they will want to work him back in. When he is ready I believe a line of 21-91-27 will be unstoppable.

I believe KO is back for the Rangers and will give the team the extra jolt of life it has been lacking.
Against the Rangers???  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 10:43 am : link
Quote:
he's been conditioning for a week.. next 4 days he will get in sync with the team. If it all works out, he will play next week.


That's all I care about at this point, haha (incapable of thinking big picture, unfortunately)
RE: I do not see KO  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12166518 The 12th Man said:
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Coming right back to 1st line as they will want to work him back in. When he is ready I believe a line of 21-91-27 will be unstoppable.

I believe KO is back for the Rangers and will give the team the extra jolt of life it has been lacking.


I like the line, but not on the PP. Ideally they will have JT and Frans or Bailey at the circles/boards, and Lee in front of the net. I like two great passers on the ice with a screener/junk man in front.

PP2, Okposo in front of the net.
L1  
Dave M : 3/6/2015 11:08 am : link
Take your pick between Lee,Bailey, and Strome but KO deserves to be there. He is our 2nd best forward. Me personally would rather keep Lee on L1 over Bailey. He is the banger and the garbage man. His presence in front demands attention giving JT and KO more room to operate. Bailey has played great there but he does play well with Fransie too.

Does Grabbo become a LTIR candidate at some point? His concussions may keep Snow from trading our depth unless he's going for a big fish type player.
RE: L1  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 11:21 am : link
In comment 12166577 Dave M said:
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Take your pick between Lee,Bailey, and Strome but KO deserves to be there. He is our 2nd best forward. Me personally would rather keep Lee on L1 over Bailey. He is the banger and the garbage man. His presence in front demands attention giving JT and KO more room to operate. Bailey has played great there but he does play well with Fransie too.

Does Grabbo become a LTIR candidate at some point? His concussions may keep Snow from trading our depth unless he's going for a big fish type player.


if Nelson has found himself again (which he is playing like) then having Bailey on L2 will make that a very good line. Strome/Nelson/Bailey??
I also  
Metnut : 3/6/2015 11:28 am : link
wouldn't mind going with JB/JT/AL on line 1 and KO/BN/RS on line 2. Okposo is our second best forward, but the first line is rolling now and there's something to be said for having two very dangerous scoring lines rather than just loading up line 1. I think Okposo's presence on the that second line would basically make it a "1A" line.
RE: I also  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12166624 Metnut said:
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wouldn't mind going with JB/JT/AL on line 1 and KO/BN/RS on line 2. Okposo is our second best forward, but the first line is rolling now and there's something to be said for having two very dangerous scoring lines rather than just loading up line 1. I think Okposo's presence on the that second line would basically make it a "1A" line.


The more and more I watch this team, the more I'm convinced that "the obvious truth" is actually a biot understated. It goes without saying playing with Tavares elevates the game of his linemates, but I think it's even more pronounced than we realize. Okposo became a different player when he started playing with JT full time. Anders Lee, who was good with the kid line, pushed himself into the rookie of the year conversation with JT (he has almost no shot, but the fact that his numbers will be up there with Forsberg is amazing). Josh Bailey went from a potential healthy scratch to one of our most dependable forwards.

Tavares truly is one of the rare elites in that everyone around him is better because of him.... like A LOT better.

With that, as mentioned, I think Lee's game is the most transferrable. He can get those tip ins on any line. He won't have the space he's had with the Tavares line, but no one will. To me, we can get more out of him on lines 2-through-4 than anyone else.

Having said that, my power play united would be

PP L1: Tavares - Okposo - Lee
PP L2: Bailey - Nelson - Strome
RE: RE: I also  
feelflows : 3/6/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12166641 Mike in Long Beach said:
Quote:
In comment 12166624 Metnut said:


Quote:


wouldn't mind going with JB/JT/AL on line 1 and KO/BN/RS on line 2. Okposo is our second best forward, but the first line is rolling now and there's something to be said for having two very dangerous scoring lines rather than just loading up line 1. I think Okposo's presence on the that second line would basically make it a "1A" line.



The more and more I watch this team, the more I'm convinced that "the obvious truth" is actually a biot understated. It goes without saying playing with Tavares elevates the game of his linemates, but I think it's even more pronounced than we realize. Okposo became a different player when he started playing with JT full time. Anders Lee, who was good with the kid line, pushed himself into the rookie of the year conversation with JT (he has almost no shot, but the fact that his numbers will be up there with Forsberg is amazing). Josh Bailey went from a potential healthy scratch to one of our most dependable forwards.

Tavares truly is one of the rare elites in that everyone around him is better because of him.... like A LOT better.

With that, as mentioned, I think Lee's game is the most transferrable. He can get those tip ins on any line. He won't have the space he's had with the Tavares line, but no one will. To me, we can get more out of him on lines 2-through-4 than anyone else.

Having said that, my power play united would be

PP L1: Tavares - Okposo - Lee
PP L2: Bailey - Nelson - Strome


then you have to ask, what players can help JTs line be more productive? Does having Lee in front of the net help L1 be more productive because of all of the rebounds?
I guess I don't see a noteworthy drop in production on line 1  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 11:43 am : link
between keeping Lee or Bailey, but I do see a big drop in line 2 if Bailey is down there.
RE: RE: I also  
The 12th Man : 3/6/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12166641 Mike in Long Beach said:
Quote:
In comment 12166624 Metnut said:


Quote:


wouldn't mind going with JB/JT/AL on line 1 and KO/BN/RS on line 2. Okposo is our second best forward, but the first line is rolling now and there's something to be said for having two very dangerous scoring lines rather than just loading up line 1. I think Okposo's presence on the that second line would basically make it a "1A" line.



The more and more I watch this team, the more I'm convinced that "the obvious truth" is actually a biot understated. It goes without saying playing with Tavares elevates the game of his linemates, but I think it's even more pronounced than we realize. Okposo became a different player when he started playing with JT full time. Anders Lee, who was good with the kid line, pushed himself into the rookie of the year conversation with JT (he has almost no shot, but the fact that his numbers will be up there with Forsberg is amazing). Josh Bailey went from a potential healthy scratch to one of our most dependable forwards.

Tavares truly is one of the rare elites in that everyone around him is better because of him.... like A LOT better.

With that, as mentioned, I think Lee's game is the most transferrable. He can get those tip ins on any line. He won't have the space he's had with the Tavares line, but no one will. To me, we can get more out of him on lines 2-through-4 than anyone else.

Having said that, my power play united would be

PP L1: Tavares - Okposo - Lee
PP L2: Bailey - Nelson - Strome


I agree with mist of what you say, but no way Franz falls off both units. I believe Bailey sits on PP L2 and Franzie plays there.
RE: RE: I also  
The 12th Man : 3/6/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12166641 Mike in Long Beach said:
Quote:
In comment 12166624 Metnut said:


Quote:


wouldn't mind going with JB/JT/AL on line 1 and KO/BN/RS on line 2. Okposo is our second best forward, but the first line is rolling now and there's something to be said for having two very dangerous scoring lines rather than just loading up line 1. I think Okposo's presence on the that second line would basically make it a "1A" line.



The more and more I watch this team, the more I'm convinced that "the obvious truth" is actually a biot understated. It goes without saying playing with Tavares elevates the game of his linemates, but I think it's even more pronounced than we realize. Okposo became a different player when he started playing with JT full time. Anders Lee, who was good with the kid line, pushed himself into the rookie of the year conversation with JT (he has almost no shot, but the fact that his numbers will be up there with Forsberg is amazing). Josh Bailey went from a potential healthy scratch to one of our most dependable forwards.

Tavares truly is one of the rare elites in that everyone around him is better because of him.... like A LOT better.

With that, as mentioned, I think Lee's game is the most transferrable. He can get those tip ins on any line. He won't have the space he's had with the Tavares line, but no one will. To me, we can get more out of him on lines 2-through-4 than anyone else.

Having said that, my power play united would be

PP L1: Tavares - Okposo - Lee
PP L2: Bailey - Nelson - Strome


I agree with mist of what you say, but no way Franz falls off both units. I believe Bailey sits on PP L2 and Franzie plays there.
12th  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 12:51 pm : link
Franzie would be on the point, not playing as a forward.
Hey gang  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/6/2015 1:30 pm : link
Here's a full copy of last night's game on youtube.
Link - ( New Window )
Go to the 1:20:10 mark of that video  
pganut : 3/6/2015 3:46 pm : link
Or, if you're looking at the game clock, when there's 12:15 left in the 3rd period.

Nearly a solid minute of excellent puck movement, puck possession and cycling, resulting in Leddy's goal.

Lather, rinse, repeat. That's Viagra to any true hockey fan. As I said, maybe the shift of the year for the Isles.
Yep  
Fish : 3/6/2015 5:50 pm : link
Without going to the video I remember it well. Fransie kept it in and fired it across.
Kuley was incredible  
timintey : 3/6/2015 7:32 pm : link
in that sequence. Awesome!
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