Does anyone actually like Dan Graziano?

to cover the Giants full time.

especially like the Giants, but his feeling weren't that strong. It was 2011 that turned him into a monster. He ridiculed the Giants' chances of even making the playoffs and, naturally, didn't get a loving response from Giants' fans.

Since then he's been actively against then (1) to get even with the fans who gave him such a hard time and (2) to show to himself and everyone else that he wasn't much off in 2011 characterizing the Giants as a mediocre team. It only took them two years to turn into a bottom 10 team without very good prospects for the immediate future.

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beat writer, but he doesn't really bother me. He certainly doesn't give the Giants much love, but I think a lot of his criticisms are fair, or at least well reasoned (though they bum me out).

Jordan Raanan, on the other hand is awful in my opinion. Super negative AND light on the football analysis.

why exhibit A would be a tweet where he is responding to an insult. As opposed to one where he bashes the giants...

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he doesn't give the GMEN much love but at least he provides analysis. Can't say that about many others.

what is there to like (or dislike) about him?

Of all the empty words sports writing and analysis I have ever read, he is perhaps king.

was unhappy with Ohm because he was too fair with the Giants. Ergo. they dumped him and inserted Graziano who is vehemently anti-Giants. Now they are satisfied.

In comment 12166098 Rflairr said:

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to cover the Giants full time.

I thought he acknowledged he was an Eagles fan. He was really on that Dream Team '11 early.

the Giants.

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This x100

I can't stand him. He is such a negative Nancy when it comes to the Giants, even when they are good. Even when he says good things it is conditional. I miss Garafalo as well.

Who was the ESPN NFC east writer before Graziano? He was a Dallas fan but extremely fair and even almost put the Giants on a pedestal for a few years. Matt something?

that you find out quickly is that, the NY Giants/Jets beat writers are some of the least knowledgeable, least interested crew of writers out there.

The one redeeming thing about going to Dallas is that the writers who cover the Cowboys are outstanding.

Love reading the local guys in Chicago too. How does the media capital of the world wind up with such hacks.

Aside from that? Unsure.

and be critical when appropriate without antagonizing said team's fanbase? This guy is borderline Isola.

In comment 12166247 NYG07 said:

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Who was the ESPN NFC east writer before Graziano? He was a Dallas fan but extremely fair and even almost put the Giants on a pedestal for a few years. Matt something?

Matt Mosley.

Pretty sure Graziano was selected for this specifically to be controversial and generate clicks.

[I don't think he is the BEST
odunde : 3/5/2015 11:49 pm : link
beat writer, but he doesn't really bother me. He certainly doesn't give the Giants much love, but I think a lot of his criticisms are fair, or at least well reasoned (though they bum me out).

Jordan Raanan, on the other hand is awful in my opinion. Super negative AND light on the football analysis.]

Raanan has this lovefest with Philly. Where Graziano is a Jets Fan, Raanan loves his Egirls. I can't stand anything he writes. Oh the days of Garafalo

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I don't think he is the BEST odunde : 3/5/2015 11:49 pm : link beat writer, but he doesn't really bother me. He certainly doesn't give the Giants much love, but I think a lot of his criticisms are fair, or at least well reasoned (though they bum me out).

Jordan Raanan, on the other hand is awful in my opinion. Super negative AND light on the football analysis.]

Raanan has this lovefest with Philly. Where Graziano is a Jets Fan, Raanan loves his Egirls. I can't stand anything he writes. Oh the days of Garafalo

The same company hired Wallace Matthews to cover the Yankees. Nuff said.

I loved MG (like everyone else), and I'd say that my current lead dog is Pattie.

I don't get the dislike with Raanan. Maybe it's because he's not MG? The guy gives a lot of inside info and hits on some obscure/newer topics that aren't tired and regurgitated. I like him. The other guys are all the same IMO. Not great, not bad.

In comment 12166247 NYG07 said:

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Who was the ESPN NFC east writer before Graziano? He was a Dallas fan but extremely fair and even almost put the Giants on a pedestal for a few years. Matt something?

NYG07 are you talking about Ohm Youngmisuk?

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I loved MG (like everyone else), and I'd say that my current lead dog is Pattie. I don't get the dislike with Raanan. Maybe it's because he's not MG? The guy gives a lot of inside info and hits on some obscure/newer topics that aren't tired and regurgitated. I like him. The other guys are all the same IMO. Not great, not bad.

I think the issue people have with Raanan is that at the very beginning, his articles were very clickbaity and somewhat sensational.

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beat writer, but he doesn't really bother me. He certainly doesn't give the Giants much love, but I think a lot of his criticisms are fair, or at least well reasoned (though they bum me out). Jordan Raanan, on the other hand is awful in my opinion. Super negative AND light on the football analysis.

Damn. I must suck for someone to hate me more than Graziano!

who let you in here?

Nice sense of humor. People here are particularly tuned in and don't realize that you are often writing for the 90% who have their priorities straight and don't spend three hours a day on BBI.

response JR!

I like you, buddy. (your work, tho you seem a likeable fellow as well). It's obvious you work hard, and (lurking here) care about your audience. It takes a while to cultivate sources and get really plugged in. you are getting there.

In comment 12167371 Reale01 said:

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Nice sense of humor. People here are particularly tuned in and don't realize that you are often writing for the 90% who have their priorities straight and don't spend three hours a day on BBI.

Hahaha, this is probably accurate.

Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act.

In comment 12167402 robrosz said:

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Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act.

... and you being the expert on class that you are

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RE: Jordan gidiefor : 5:23 pm : link : reply In comment 12167402 robrosz said: Quote: Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act. ... and you being the expert on class that you are

Garafalo loved the Giants. I just wish we had a beat writer that actually liked the team he's writing about. I never said I was an expert on class. But since you know me so well....

In comment 12167422 robrosz said:

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Quote: RE: Jordan gidiefor : 5:23 pm : link : reply In comment 12167402 robrosz said: Quote: Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act. ... and you being the expert on class that you are Garafalo loved the Giants. I just wish we had a beat writer that actually liked the team he's writing about. I never said I was an expert on class. But since you know me so well....

I usually don't respond to stuff like this but you are incorrect on everything. I NEVER block anybody. That is not my style. If you were blocked or had comments erased, that is because your were flagged by people that monitor our site.

And ironically, it was Garafolo that was born in Philly and grew up an Eagles fan. I grew up in NJ a New York sports fan. Maybe you didn't realize, but since I've been covering the team (past two years), they've been terrible. When Garafolo was covering the team they won two Super Bowls. Maybe that has something to do with my negativity?

And as far as stealing sources, you have no clue about our business. There is definitely some useful stuff here and some knowledge/informed people, but I have to pass my information through my boss and certainly can't use people I don't know and have never met.

Thanks for all the hard work. Garafolo has big shoes to fill but you have done an admirable job.

I havent tuned you out like many of the other Beat writers so you must be doing something right.

Ignore the dupes and idiots. It's always good to have professionals involved with the Giants active on BBI. Well excpet Vachianno ;P

great fucking entrance, sir.



good old rule of 'z'

In comment 12167402 robrosz said:

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Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act.

JR has defended himself but explain something about how this professional writing thing works:

As a reporter, if you read a post on an Internet bulletin board, from a person you don't know, that's not enough to write and post an article. It may be enough for you to start calling your sources. If it's a post from Eric, yeah, probably. If it's a post from me, maybe not, since I don't use my name here, and anonymous tips are always suspect. But that just gives you something to ask your regular sources on your beat.

Then, if you confirm the story, preferably with two independent sources, you write and post.

Once you are at that point, you might credit the unsubstantiated, unsourced rumor you read on a fan site, but you might not. Why should you? It's one thing if another site or outlet breaks an actual news story, and publishes a sourced, substantiated article. Then it's considered ethical to credit the outlet that broke the news. And if it's something Eric posts, yeah, you might credit him.

But a rumor posted anonymously on a fan bulletin board? No.

In either event, it's not some egregious offense against decency if you don't credit BBI for a rumor you read there.

In comment 12167422 robrosz said:

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Quote: RE: Jordan gidiefor : 5:23 pm : link : reply In comment 12167402 robrosz said: Quote: Thanks for blocking me from commenting on NJ.com bc you can't take criticism. Instead of stealing content and posting it as your own at least say your sources are BBI. I still think you are a Philly fan who hates that he has to write for the Giants. But make sure you block me because I said I liked Garafolo better than you. A class act. ... and you being the expert on class that you are Garafalo loved the Giants. I just wish we had a beat writer that actually liked the team he's writing about. I never said I was an expert on class. But since you know me so well....

This is hilarious and proof that a writer need not be a fan of the team on his beat. I got some disappointing news for you robro...Garafolo is a born n bred, dyed in the wool EAGLES FAN.

If anything I think he just likes trying to push Giants fans buttons now that he knows he's so far under some of their skin. It's guaranteed traffic. There are just as many threads about ESPNs NFCE blog now as there were when it was handled by others.

while others are writing basic stories about quotes from player interviews available to all on Giants.com, Jordan tries to give Giants fans some value added by doing things like breaking down film or incorporating some advanced football metrics. The effort is appreciated.

It would be nice if being a Giants reporter wasn't such a revolving door so we could get a guy who builds contacts like Goslin or McGinn.

love on here is bizarre. He was solid but I don't remember anything exceptional.

That scooped everybody. He said on Twitter "it wasn't me it was BBI -they were all over it"

Can't remeber the circumstances beyond that. But perhaps that's why he is loved so dearly here. The other thing is If you ever asked him to answer questions over email with him, he usually would. I always got the impression that he had his laptop open 24 / 7... Working and thinking about football.

Granted to a lot of people here that sounds like a dream job but if you have a family and travel all the time that can be a hellish position.