James Brewer, Indiana – height, weight, speed, offensive tackle. A bit of a late bloomer, but we think he has a tremendous upside. He’s a really good athlete. Only had one year of high school football, but he’s played a lot of football at Indiana. Long arms, big man. Not as developed as much as you would like for him to be at this point, but this guy’s already 323 pounds. He can add 10 to 15 pounds in a blink, we think. With the long arms, he’s got 35.5 inch arms, he benched 25 times, which is good, and he ran really fast for a gigantic man like he is. So we think there is a lot of upside with him. We’ll get him in the mix.
Reese didn't have a fifth-round pick that year, and I think he acknowledged that #117 might have been a little early for Brewer. But they saw potential and went for it. Anyway, I guess the team has notified him that they aren't interested in retaining him at any price.
James Brewer, Indiana – height, weight, speed, offensive tackle. A bit of a late bloomer, but we think he has a tremendous upside. He’s a really good athlete. Only had one year of high school football, but he’s played a lot of football at Indiana. Long arms, big man. Not as developed as much as you would like for him to be at this point, but this guy’s already 323 pounds. He can add 10 to 15 pounds in a blink, we think. With the long arms, he’s got 35.5 inch arms, he benched 25 times, which is good, and he ran really fast for a gigantic man like he is. So we think there is a lot of upside with him. We’ll get him in the mix.
Reese didn't have a fifth-round pick that year, and I think he acknowledged that #117 might have been a little early for Brewer. But they saw potential and went for it. Anyway, I guess the team has notified him that they aren't interested in retaining him at any price.
Well, I appear to be off in my comments, I thought Brewer missed a lot time at Indy.......maybe I am remembering the HS comment.
True NFL left tackles are rare enough that I don't mind an occasional 4th-rounder spent on a longshot to fill the spot. You probably have to go through a few Guy Whimpers and James Brewers before you find a legit starter, but that's a big enough payout when you hit to merit the investment, depending on the opportunity cost.
for me the point is not that Brewer was a 4th Round pick, who like too many of R&R's high- to mid-round picks show nothing, it's that they kept him around so long, as with many others, as if FO doesn't want to acknowledge it's a bad pick and move along; it's the continuous touting of the picks (and those still on the roster? Moseley (? for whom I have some hope), Robinson, Hosley, JJ, now gone) long after it should have become clear that they don't belong in the NFL
we picked fairly late in the 4th, so how does that constitute a reach? When he played, he did ok at guard - biggest issue was he was always hurt.
The draft analysts at NFL.com thought Brewer was nothing more than UDFA material, and their scouting report on him was balls-on accurate, in retrospect.
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Brewer has some redeeming qualities - size and work ethic - but does not possess the movement skills of an NFL offensive lineman. Really struggles versus quick pass rushers and is not a candidate to lead out on the edge or be productive blocking at the second level. Despite size, can be pushed back by defensive lineman with similar size and strength and doesn't get great movement off the ball...Brewer is a likely rookie free agent.
But the problem wasn't that Brewer was drafted in the fourth round, but that he stayed on the team for four years. All that proves is how badly Reese mangled the OL.
As somebody said, most fourth round picks don't work out. The problem is that Reese has a penchant for these guys. Marvin Austin, Mitch Petrus, and Adrien Robinson are other notable examples. There are still players with production to be drafted in the fourth round.
In his defense, Brewer never had any off the field incidents, and was a good teammate. Best of luck to him.
I found a draft profile site that considered Brewer a 3rd round pick and thought he was the 10th best tackle in his class. Considering that he was invited to the NFL combine and place up some very respectable numbers for a tackle, the UDFA opinion was probably an outlier
Everyone complaining that he wasn't cut sooner sounds a bit ridiculous considering that he went from 6th man in 2013 to the back end of the bench in 2014. Keeping someone on their rookie contract as depth isn't a sign of failure except to people who need scapegoats in their lives.
that have no problem taking a shot at a 4th rounder as a future tackle. Me neither. However, after the 2nd year with the team, they should have a much better idea if he's going to eventually work out or not.
The Giants staff has rocks in their head on determining when to say good-bye to a young player. Is F'ing Robinson still on the team? Those bastids should start some sort of club.
2 years. Play 'em or replace 'em. If injuries have been a concern with that player, well, there's your answer right there.
I found a draft profile site that considered Brewer a 3rd round pick and thought he was the 10th best tackle in his class. Considering that he was invited to the NFL combine and place up some very respectable numbers for a tackle, the UDFA opinion was probably an outlier
I hear ya and I know the UDFA analysis wasn't a consensus, but that report I linked was (in retrospect, again) the right one. I would hope the Giants' scouts were better than most draft website pundits - way better! They blew it on Brewer, and in general 2011 was an abysmal draft for the Giants. So I'm happy to link a site and quote a source that spanked them, consensus or not. That's the draft we took Jernigan in round 3, too, not to mention Austin over Paea... If we traded away picks 2, 3, and 4 in that draft could we maybe have moved up from 19 where we grabbed Prince to get Watt? I was all over Watt that year, loved him...
Mr. Max. I didn't expect so much traffic between us
I dunno about Pierce. I don't have the skills required to decide on a player's fate. I'd like to think with some training I would have a pretty good handle on whether or not a young player after 2 seasons is NFL material or it's time to try for another young player.
for me the point is not that Brewer was a 4th Round pick, who like too many of R&R's high- to mid-round picks show nothing, it's that they kept him around so long, as with many others, as if FO doesn't want to acknowledge it's a bad pick and move along; it's the continuous touting of the picks (and those still on the roster? Moseley (? for whom I have some hope), Robinson, Hosley, JJ, now gone) long after it should have become clear that they don't belong in the NFL
No argument here! No clue why Robinson is still around.
will be Adrian Robinson's last shot. I noticed he started getting used a bit more in goalline situations and also flashed some nice hands in the few opportunities he was given. I'd still like to re-sign Fells (or someone else) but maybe they're getting more comfortable with Robinson as depth.
I think there's no question that Reese's drafts from 2010-12 were subpar. We're paying the price for it now. But it was bound to happen. We got two incredible Super Bowl memories that I wouldn't trade for the world. And if you look closely, we're starting to build this roster back up. The past two drafts are looking pretty good. One more solid off-season could be the difference between 6-10 and 10-6.
But the problem wasn't that Brewer was drafted in the fourth round, but that he stayed on the team for four years
That could be a side effect of picking projects. If a guy shows little his first couple of years, you keep him because after all you expected little. Maybe he just needs more time. With more NFL-ready guys, you can see your mistake sooner and cut ties.
Bluepepper - Yup. Two examples from the same draft class: Â
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
When a guy is constantly a healthy scratch and is not a rookie as Brewer, that should tell you everything you need to know about how the coaches view him. Heck, before they cut him, they had Charles Brown first off the bench over Brewer. What does THAT tell you?
do a lousy job with the players they're given. There's never any development. There's not even 1 player. The last two years they used a 1 and 2 on the OL and both guys have shown very little. One played out of position as a rookie typical for this coaching staff. The other was playing hurt but really regressed from an average at best rookie year. Neither progressed. Playing OL out of position is the speciality of this OL coach.
Let's see another team pick up Brewer & make him a player. He's still relatively young, with the requisite physical attributes. When that type of thing starts happening-and it hasn't at all yet-then you can complain about Coughlin & his staff's inability to "develop talent."
As for Pugh, he played hurt last year. At least he played. He had, among other things, a bad hand. His hands are an important part of his game. He usually has debilitating , paralyzingly strong hands. Maybe that's why guys slid off of him last year.
In the end about Brewer:
1. His consensus draft Grade was 3-4 round. I figured he was a flat tire when I read that he refused Indiana staff's request to move to OLT after Scaffold left. Bad sign.
2. How many snaps did this guy actually take in regular season games? He was always a Waiting for Godot type. Onward.
do a lousy job with the players they're given. There's never any development. There's not even 1 player. The last two years they used a 1 and 2 on the OL and both guys have shown very little. One played out of position as a rookie typical for this coaching staff. The other was playing hurt but really regressed from an average at best rookie year. Neither progressed. Playing OL out of position is the speciality of this OL coach.
Keep in mind that Pugh was injured part of the year and he played LT in college, not right. Both young players look pretty good to me. How good remains to be seen.
I stand by my statement that the Giants tend to keep young drafted players around too long. If they are not starter material (whatever reason) then look to replace them after 2 seasons unless they can clearly see an emerging talent. And by year 2, BBIers should be able to see "flashes" during a game.
I can't believe they kept Robinson in 2014 over John Conner.
It would have been better to keep only 52 players last season Â
Good luck in whatever is next, JB. Sorry it didn't work out.
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of Reese and the Giants reaching for players.
He's a guy that simply didn't play much in college....and they fell in love with the size and potential, which was never realized.
Staying away from picks such as this, which they have been doing the last two drafts, is the way to continue.
No reaching for project type players.
You know a lot of 4th rounders don't work out, don't you?
Yes, a ton do.
But I'd rather take a guy who actually played, and competed.
Make sense?
Brewer did neither.
Seriously. That's all I'll remember about this lousy player.
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James Brewer, Indiana – height, weight, speed, offensive tackle. A bit of a late bloomer, but we think he has a tremendous upside. He’s a really good athlete. Only had one year of high school football, but he’s played a lot of football at Indiana. Long arms, big man. Not as developed as much as you would like for him to be at this point, but this guy’s already 323 pounds. He can add 10 to 15 pounds in a blink, we think. With the long arms, he’s got 35.5 inch arms, he benched 25 times, which is good, and he ran really fast for a gigantic man like he is. So we think there is a lot of upside with him. We’ll get him in the mix.
Reese didn't have a fifth-round pick that year, and I think he acknowledged that #117 might have been a little early for Brewer. But they saw potential and went for it. Anyway, I guess the team has notified him that they aren't interested in retaining him at any price.
Well, I appear to be off in my comments, I thought Brewer missed a lot time at Indy.......maybe I am remembering the HS comment.
2007: missed due to injury
2008: 8 games, season ending injury
2009: started all 12 games
2010: started 9 games, missed 3 to injury
2007: missed due to injury
2008: 8 games, season ending injury
2009: started all 12 games
2010: started 9 games, missed 3 to injury
I actually remember him being a guy that really didn't even start that much as indicated above.
Brewer at least looked like a two year starter.
Brewer just reminds me of the guy Acorsi took from an Ivy League school.....was it Hatch?
Same mold.......
Beatty drafted 2nd round pick 60 overall
Pugh drafted 1st round pick 19 overall
Richburg drafted 2 round pick 43 overall
This is completely false. He was never ok at anything. And if he never gets hurt again, he will still be an awful NFL player.
After a very long week at work, this makes me smile.
The Giants future actually has improved with this subtle move.
They only ignored surrounding Eli with competent warm bodies.
The draft analysts at NFL.com thought Brewer was nothing more than UDFA material, and their scouting report on him was balls-on accurate, in retrospect.
James Brewer - ( New Window )
But the problem wasn't that Brewer was drafted in the fourth round, but that he stayed on the team for four years. All that proves is how badly Reese mangled the OL.
As somebody said, most fourth round picks don't work out. The problem is that Reese has a penchant for these guys. Marvin Austin, Mitch Petrus, and Adrien Robinson are other notable examples. There are still players with production to be drafted in the fourth round.
In his defense, Brewer never had any off the field incidents, and was a good teammate. Best of luck to him.
haha, beat me to it!
The Giants staff has rocks in their head on determining when to say good-bye to a young player. Is F'ing Robinson still on the team? Those bastids should start some sort of club.
2 years. Play 'em or replace 'em. If injuries have been a concern with that player, well, there's your answer right there.
I hear ya and I know the UDFA analysis wasn't a consensus, but that report I linked was (in retrospect, again) the right one. I would hope the Giants' scouts were better than most draft website pundits - way better! They blew it on Brewer, and in general 2011 was an abysmal draft for the Giants. So I'm happy to link a site and quote a source that spanked them, consensus or not. That's the draft we took Jernigan in round 3, too, not to mention Austin over Paea... If we traded away picks 2, 3, and 4 in that draft could we maybe have moved up from 19 where we grabbed Prince to get Watt? I was all over Watt that year, loved him...
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haha, beat me to it!
Bwahaha great thinking mfsd!
I dunno about Pierce. I don't have the skills required to decide on a player's fate. I'd like to think with some training I would have a pretty good handle on whether or not a young player after 2 seasons is NFL material or it's time to try for another young player.
No argument here! No clue why Robinson is still around.
I think there's no question that Reese's drafts from 2010-12 were subpar. We're paying the price for it now. But it was bound to happen. We got two incredible Super Bowl memories that I wouldn't trade for the world. And if you look closely, we're starting to build this roster back up. The past two drafts are looking pretty good. One more solid off-season could be the difference between 6-10 and 10-6.
That could be a side effect of picking projects. If a guy shows little his first couple of years, you keep him because after all you expected little. Maybe he just needs more time. With more NFL-ready guys, you can see your mistake sooner and cut ties.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
As for Pugh, he played hurt last year. At least he played. He had, among other things, a bad hand. His hands are an important part of his game. He usually has debilitating , paralyzingly strong hands. Maybe that's why guys slid off of him last year.
In the end about Brewer:
1. His consensus draft Grade was 3-4 round. I figured he was a flat tire when I read that he refused Indiana staff's request to move to OLT after Scaffold left. Bad sign.
2. How many snaps did this guy actually take in regular season games? He was always a Waiting for Godot type. Onward.
Keep in mind that Pugh was injured part of the year and he played LT in college, not right. Both young players look pretty good to me. How good remains to be seen.
I stand by my statement that the Giants tend to keep young drafted players around too long. If they are not starter material (whatever reason) then look to replace them after 2 seasons unless they can clearly see an emerging talent. And by year 2, BBIers should be able to see "flashes" during a game.
I can't believe they kept Robinson in 2014 over John Conner.
Current biggest joke on the squad.
And that is sayin' something knowing the dip in talent the past few years.