I found a draft profile site that considered Brewer a 3rd round pick and thought he was the 10th best tackle in his class. Considering that he was invited to the NFL combine and place up some very respectable numbers for a tackle, the UDFA opinion was probably an outlier
Everyone complaining that he wasn't cut sooner sounds a bit ridiculous considering that he went from 6th man in 2013 to the back end of the bench in 2014. Keeping someone on their rookie contract as depth isn't a sign of failure except to people who need scapegoats in their lives.
that have no problem taking a shot at a 4th rounder as a future tackle. Me neither. However, after the 2nd year with the team, they should have a much better idea if he's going to eventually work out or not.
The Giants staff has rocks in their head on determining when to say good-bye to a young player. Is F'ing Robinson still on the team? Those bastids should start some sort of club.
2 years. Play 'em or replace 'em. If injuries have been a concern with that player, well, there's your answer right there.
I found a draft profile site that considered Brewer a 3rd round pick and thought he was the 10th best tackle in his class. Considering that he was invited to the NFL combine and place up some very respectable numbers for a tackle, the UDFA opinion was probably an outlier
I hear ya and I know the UDFA analysis wasn't a consensus, but that report I linked was (in retrospect, again) the right one. I would hope the Giants' scouts were better than most draft website pundits - way better! They blew it on Brewer, and in general 2011 was an abysmal draft for the Giants. So I'm happy to link a site and quote a source that spanked them, consensus or not. That's the draft we took Jernigan in round 3, too, not to mention Austin over Paea... If we traded away picks 2, 3, and 4 in that draft could we maybe have moved up from 19 where we grabbed Prince to get Watt? I was all over Watt that year, loved him...
Mr. Max. I didn't expect so much traffic between us
I dunno about Pierce. I don't have the skills required to decide on a player's fate. I'd like to think with some training I would have a pretty good handle on whether or not a young player after 2 seasons is NFL material or it's time to try for another young player.
for me the point is not that Brewer was a 4th Round pick, who like too many of R&R's high- to mid-round picks show nothing, it's that they kept him around so long, as with many others, as if FO doesn't want to acknowledge it's a bad pick and move along; it's the continuous touting of the picks (and those still on the roster? Moseley (? for whom I have some hope), Robinson, Hosley, JJ, now gone) long after it should have become clear that they don't belong in the NFL
No argument here! No clue why Robinson is still around.
will be Adrian Robinson's last shot. I noticed he started getting used a bit more in goalline situations and also flashed some nice hands in the few opportunities he was given. I'd still like to re-sign Fells (or someone else) but maybe they're getting more comfortable with Robinson as depth.
I think there's no question that Reese's drafts from 2010-12 were subpar. We're paying the price for it now. But it was bound to happen. We got two incredible Super Bowl memories that I wouldn't trade for the world. And if you look closely, we're starting to build this roster back up. The past two drafts are looking pretty good. One more solid off-season could be the difference between 6-10 and 10-6.
But the problem wasn't that Brewer was drafted in the fourth round, but that he stayed on the team for four years
That could be a side effect of picking projects. If a guy shows little his first couple of years, you keep him because after all you expected little. Maybe he just needs more time. With more NFL-ready guys, you can see your mistake sooner and cut ties.
Bluepepper - Yup. Two examples from the same draft class:
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
...but never forget that he is just one of several draft picks over the past several years that helped the Giants descend into one of the NFL's worst POA teams.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
When a guy is constantly a healthy scratch and is not a rookie as Brewer, that should tell you everything you need to know about how the coaches view him. Heck, before they cut him, they had Charles Brown first off the bench over Brewer. What does THAT tell you?
do a lousy job with the players they're given. There's never any development. There's not even 1 player. The last two years they used a 1 and 2 on the OL and both guys have shown very little. One played out of position as a rookie typical for this coaching staff. The other was playing hurt but really regressed from an average at best rookie year. Neither progressed. Playing OL out of position is the speciality of this OL coach.
Let's see another team pick up Brewer & make him a player. He's still relatively young, with the requisite physical attributes. When that type of thing starts happening-and it hasn't at all yet-then you can complain about Coughlin & his staff's inability to "develop talent."
As for Pugh, he played hurt last year. At least he played. He had, among other things, a bad hand. His hands are an important part of his game. He usually has debilitating , paralyzingly strong hands. Maybe that's why guys slid off of him last year.
In the end about Brewer:
1. His consensus draft Grade was 3-4 round. I figured he was a flat tire when I read that he refused Indiana staff's request to move to OLT after Scaffold left. Bad sign.
2. How many snaps did this guy actually take in regular season games? He was always a Waiting for Godot type. Onward.
do a lousy job with the players they're given. There's never any development. There's not even 1 player. The last two years they used a 1 and 2 on the OL and both guys have shown very little. One played out of position as a rookie typical for this coaching staff. The other was playing hurt but really regressed from an average at best rookie year. Neither progressed. Playing OL out of position is the speciality of this OL coach.
Keep in mind that Pugh was injured part of the year and he played LT in college, not right. Both young players look pretty good to me. How good remains to be seen.
I stand by my statement that the Giants tend to keep young drafted players around too long. If they are not starter material (whatever reason) then look to replace them after 2 seasons unless they can clearly see an emerging talent. And by year 2, BBIers should be able to see "flashes" during a game.
I can't believe they kept Robinson in 2014 over John Conner.
It would have been better to keep only 52 players last season
haha, beat me to it!
The Giants staff has rocks in their head on determining when to say good-bye to a young player. Is F'ing Robinson still on the team? Those bastids should start some sort of club.
2 years. Play 'em or replace 'em. If injuries have been a concern with that player, well, there's your answer right there.
I hear ya and I know the UDFA analysis wasn't a consensus, but that report I linked was (in retrospect, again) the right one. I would hope the Giants' scouts were better than most draft website pundits - way better! They blew it on Brewer, and in general 2011 was an abysmal draft for the Giants. So I'm happy to link a site and quote a source that spanked them, consensus or not. That's the draft we took Jernigan in round 3, too, not to mention Austin over Paea... If we traded away picks 2, 3, and 4 in that draft could we maybe have moved up from 19 where we grabbed Prince to get Watt? I was all over Watt that year, loved him...
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haha, beat me to it!
Bwahaha great thinking mfsd!
I dunno about Pierce. I don't have the skills required to decide on a player's fate. I'd like to think with some training I would have a pretty good handle on whether or not a young player after 2 seasons is NFL material or it's time to try for another young player.
No argument here! No clue why Robinson is still around.
I think there's no question that Reese's drafts from 2010-12 were subpar. We're paying the price for it now. But it was bound to happen. We got two incredible Super Bowl memories that I wouldn't trade for the world. And if you look closely, we're starting to build this roster back up. The past two drafts are looking pretty good. One more solid off-season could be the difference between 6-10 and 10-6.
That could be a side effect of picking projects. If a guy shows little his first couple of years, you keep him because after all you expected little. Maybe he just needs more time. With more NFL-ready guys, you can see your mistake sooner and cut ties.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
Both sides of the ball.
And when the Giants offensive line was falling apart due to age and injuries, Jerry Reese thought James Brewer was going to be one the answers.
Wrong answer.
As for Pugh, he played hurt last year. At least he played. He had, among other things, a bad hand. His hands are an important part of his game. He usually has debilitating , paralyzingly strong hands. Maybe that's why guys slid off of him last year.
In the end about Brewer:
1. His consensus draft Grade was 3-4 round. I figured he was a flat tire when I read that he refused Indiana staff's request to move to OLT after Scaffold left. Bad sign.
2. How many snaps did this guy actually take in regular season games? He was always a Waiting for Godot type. Onward.
Keep in mind that Pugh was injured part of the year and he played LT in college, not right. Both young players look pretty good to me. How good remains to be seen.
I stand by my statement that the Giants tend to keep young drafted players around too long. If they are not starter material (whatever reason) then look to replace them after 2 seasons unless they can clearly see an emerging talent. And by year 2, BBIers should be able to see "flashes" during a game.
I can't believe they kept Robinson in 2014 over John Conner.
Current biggest joke on the squad.
And that is sayin' something knowing the dip in talent the past few years.