Anyone surprised/concerned we didn't pursue a serious OL?

is extremely weak.

In comment 12178562 OdellBeckhamJr said:

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im not panicking yet

Good point hopefully they can still get a quality S and Olineman

In comment 12178516 Torrag said:

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Beatty-Richburg-Jones-Schwartz-Pugh -OR- Beatty-Jones-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh We have to do better.

Yeah I don't disagree and I'm completely speculating on their opinion of Jones.

However, I fully expect Schwartz and Pugh to be healthier and better this year. I think Schwartz moves to RG and helps Pugh be even better. I also liked what I saw from Richburg, and I'd have to think year two (if he stays healthy) will be an even better year for him... and you have to think they have absolutely have him penciled in as the starting center. Which means they need a LG. I'm actually not really that unhappy with that scenario.

Aside from Hermann still on the roster... There are a couple of JAGs that no one has mentioned... isn't the gigantic guy (Bamiro I think) still on the roster as an OT? Also Kropog, Gettis, and Cleary?

In comment 12178517 micky said:

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Then I guess OBJ and co. will be twittling their thumbs watching their QB watching the sky.

They spent so much time watching the sky last year that Beckham was named Offensive Rookie of the Year, and Eli had one of his best seasons.

...It really is.

People just make shit up.

In comment 12178595 drkenneth said:

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...It really is. People just make shit up.

It does get tiresome.

Is it possible that the OL isn't THAT bad? I mean, considering how the offense played last year?

-Yes, the run game needs to improve.

-Like it not, injuries happen. A healthy Schwartz, Pugh, Richburg at C is an improvement.

-We are in a position at #9 OR #40 to grab a OL.

Maybe we should just carry 12 DOMINATE (hate when people use that word) OL, that never get hurt.

Richburg was a rookie
Schwartz was hurt.

I think there's plenty of room for the players we already have under contract to get better.

Just not playing John Jerry improves the line.

are bargain hunting and if they do grab a reliable Guard, it would merely be for 1 year IMO. I think they will pursue a olineman in the draft and that guy will be given an opportunity to compete this year for a starting gig with the idea of getting that guy on the field, as a starter, the following year. our current cap situation is not good enough to garner a top FA lineman. This remaining resources will probably go to snagging one of the safeties.

back to compete with Mosely again?! Not very comforting IMO.

Afraid that the Giants are going to go with a figure in the dike approach to fixing the OL and put whole offense at risk of disaster with one injury to the OL. They are not upgrading, just plugging holes.

Unless going into FA,the Front office clearly ranked OL very high in the draft for rd 1,2 and are committed to building a young line.

What I have observed lately, is these FA OL have all broken down. Baas broke down, Schwartz broke down, so I had a sense they would want to go young on OL and solidify 3/5 young OL for the rest of Eli's tenure with Pugh, Richburgh + new guy.

But what I was clinging to, in order for that to come true was a solid DT signing to stop the run. That hasn't happened. That's my bigger concern

this is a joke right?

I think it was that specific players were really bad (John Jerry and JD Walton) and it adversely affected the entire protection scheme.

Having Schwartz for more than one game, along with Richburg and Pugh each having an additional year of NFL experience under their belts will go a very long way towards this line improving substantially.

If they decide to snatch someone of worth with one of their top draft picks to fill LG, I would feel pretty comfortable with this line going into the season.

in FA. I think they are just waiting on the prices to drop before they sign someone.

The Giants also still need a safety or two...

we didn't pursue a serious defensive player either, and we've still got 7 or 8 spots to fill to put 11 players out there.

Our big signings so far are a 3rd down back and Canada's best offensive lineman. 3rd place goes to the kick returner.

Anyone with any insight into wtf the Giants are up to, let us know.

This isn't 1986. Depth is an illusion.

What if we singed Orlando Franklin to a huge deal, and he got hurt? People would complain then.

There are only a few true blue chippers in this draft. It could very well be they expect OL draftees to actually be best available. If there should be surprise, there are plenty of quality OG in round 2 & 3.

If we brought in an a expense FA, who you going to sit?

In comment 12178624 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Richburg was a rookie Schwartz was hurt. I think there's plenty of room for the players we already have under contract to get better. Just not playing John Jerry improves the line.

And Pugh had to play next to Jerry..

I think there has to be another signing at OG. They just don't have 5 starters and they've never left themselves this open at a staring spot. There is just no one who you could even imagine as a starter. Even if they resign Jerry it's not really enough given their bad history of injury. They need a Jerry as a backup.

the free agent tracker on ESPN has a shit load of 'C' rated OL still available and the guys signed already, that got a lot of money on day 1-2 were mostly of the 'C' variety as well---Franklin included...

In short, there are a lot of stop gap decent vets out there that will see less and less money with every passing day. The Giants are bargain hunting but based on the grades handed out to guys signed vs guys still available, won't really see much of a difference in performance. At least on paper...

IF we could just sign a decent stop gap OL we can then add a player in the draft and with a little health in the right places see a dramatic upgrade along the OL in 2015.

LT - Beatty is Beatty along with recent FA pickup
LG - New LG hopefully one coming here soon
Center - Richburg and Canada upgrades over Walton
RG - Schwartz, Jerry and rookie
RT - Pugh

That's 3 spots that could be better than last year with just one savy addition over the next week or so and a decent draft pick...it's not doom and gloom

concerned.

for two reasons. First, what if the guy you want is gone? It isn't a endless list of guys they think can come in and start as rookies. Second, what if someone drops who you have rated higher. You pass up BPA for a need pick? JR won't do that.

he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'.

Because he's an imbecile.

They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

In comment 12178281 GiantNatty said:

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1. let Thurmond go to the Eagles. Yes, he has an injury history, but when healthy, he is top-shelf and he brings the nasty; 2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded; 3) haven't signed a quality OL; 4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...

Yeah, safety is a huge hole, but so is LB and DL to some degree. I still don't like letting Linval go nor I like letting Rolle Go. Rolle even more so, he was the glue back there it was clear.

and special teamers... we get get 3 of them for the price of one actual good NFL player on the OL or DL...
so no im not surprised... more disgusted.
we need S, DL, OL to start FA.... we have done nothing for either... and if we draft a WR I will be less then pleased

In comment 12178731 BigBlueCane said:

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he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'. Because he's an imbecile. They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

Nobody in the league values offensive line more than playmakers.

Once one of our starters get hurt and miss multiple games (it'll happen), people will get pissed. No real depth...again.

But then again I'm not. It is the Giants.. You would think that would be their number one focus this off season based on how bad the Oline looked last season?? It's all very strange.. It will all fall on Reese if this goes bad again that's for sure..

In comment 12178731 BigBlueCane said:

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he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'. Because he's an imbecile. They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

Would you just stop it already? Now Reese is an "imbecile"......So what you are saying is:

-We need another LT who can start in case "Beatty drops off a cliff"

-Another RT, in case Pugh "struggles"

-And, by the way, let's get another G in case Schwartz (who was a big FA signing last year) "struggles"

We should probably looking into getting another QB in case Eli gets kidnapped, and maybe another stud WR in case Beckham comes down with malaria.

Do you type with your feet?

the o-line should be priority number 1. If the Giants' front office does not realize then there is a major problem.

If you can not build a functioing o line that will allow Eli and the offense to excel then find a GM who can.

In comment 12178731 BigBlueCane said:

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he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'. Because he's an imbecile. They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

IF Reese didn't value OL like you say, the Giants wouldn't pay the OL half the money they ACTUALLY have paid out over the years, including this coming season. And I am sure they will sign a vet OL to decent money these next few weeks.

They draft OL in round 1 and 2 the last TWO years---they pay the guard last offseason one of the biggest contracts given to OL at the time and they gave Beatty a small fortune after giving guys like Snee, Diehl and Mckenzie small fortunes.

Stop. Making. Shit. Up. The Giants devout huge financial and draft resources to the OL and will continue to do so.

imbecile yet, but I would not jump down someone's throat who has. O line should be priority number one and if that is a sentiment not shared by the Giants' front office then he should be replaced.

With Eli you do not even need an elite o line. If the Giants get elite O line play with they might win the whole thing. Just get a functional o line filled with legit starters at the NFL level and the team will be competitive.

There is a LT they are targeting at pick 40. If they got Fowler or a wideout at 9, and then grabbed Fischer, Humphries, Clemmings or Flowers at 40, i would love that.

Kevin White or Fowler or Beasley at 9 and any of those guys at 40 would make me very happy.

OL is a feinite possibility at #9. I'd be pretty surprised if Peat and/or Collins, maybe even Scherff is there and Reese doesn't bite.

so... yeah... i'm a bit concerned.

that Schwartz is still not healed.

we haven't signed a starting caliber OL yet. However, I am more surprised we haven't done much on the other side of the ball. Do you guys remember how badly the defense was last year? You can't expect Spags scheme to magically fix that.

In comment 12178517 micky said:

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Then I guess OBJ and co. will be twittling their thumbs watching their QB watching the sky.

Doubt that. I read somewhere, iirc, we were 10 in pass pro. We need to plug in a quality LG somehow & we should be alright.

Has me concerned at the moment. There is little depth at DL, the OL it seems is being banked on that everyone already on the team takes another step forward next season, and there is virtually nothing at S.

I'm not going to hurl myself off a bridge or write 45 posts complaining about Reese though. But it is concerning at the moment. But it is March 12 too.

In comment 12178821 bc4life said:

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that Schwartz is still not healed.

Seems like he's going okay.

Pins removed! Oh yeaaaa! One step closer to full recovery. Feeling great. Can't wait to be back w/my @Giants teammates helping us win!
10:22 AM - 24 Feb 2015

That means that we will likely be constrained by need going into the draft and will need to draft an OL in the first 2 rounds, maybe waiting until the third at the very latest.

Recent mocks indicate that there are going to be some very highly-rated interior OL prospects available in the early 2nd rd. I think the sum total of pro personnel and college talent evaluation is taking us right to that spot. Fortunately for the Giants, it's a good spot due to the ample red-chip G talent available.

It doesn't seem that we had any interest in Bulaga, Iupati, or the OG who signed with the Jets (his name is escaping me).

This is going to hamstring us in the 1st and 2nd round.

The OL isn't just the biggest problem with the offense - it's the biggest problem with the team (IMO). And we've done essentially nothing to address it.

One of our starters WILL go down, and we will be screwed - again - because of the lack of a decent O-line.

- last year at this time people were split between 're-build' and 'now'.

I said prior to the draft (pie) something to the effect that, 'watch out' if we grab a WR in 1 you might be in for a long year.

Due to the positional value prospects that year and the wide number of needs to get to a balanced type team.

This year it will also be hard to find a balanced type team, for us: one with very strong line play on both sides.

This is a trend going back to the Jim Fassell days if not before. Treating the OL like an afterthought....and now the DL as well.

if they actually went out and signed a quality olineman. As of now, Jerry and that Canadian will battle it out, and they will hope Schwartz can actually play in 2 consecutive games.

but I'm not going to. Reese was supremely lucky to have Coughlin as his coach and Flaherty as his OL coach. He wasted lots of money in Free Agency trying to re-capture that original FA haul and has had so-so results to show for it.

Reese is a fool as a GM and unfortunately it's going to cost Coughlin his job from what I've seen.

just saved Tom Coughlin's job last season.

In comment 12179338 Lithium said:

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if they actually went out and signed a quality olineman. As of now, Jerry and that Canadian will battle it out, and they will hope Schwartz can actually play in 2 consecutive games.

Do you know that I'm quietly hoping the Canadian has an "out of nowhere" starter season and plays at a superb level for us. If both he and Richburg can pull our run game will be much improved.

has a larger say who the Giants draft than Tom Coughlin? There is nothing to indicate that's the case.

least a middle of the road OG or RT (who can play G) was not brought in. Still some time left though in FA, draft, and June cuts.