Maybe they're just waiting for their guy to be released or something. I'm a bit perplexed there hasn't been a serious signing at all yet, to be honest. I just keep telling myself its early.
OG are getting double what we have Schwartz last year. The failure to sign I attribute more to not willing to pay these prices more than lack of pursuit
Our usual MO is to fill these holes in Free Agency so that we can focus on BPA. I really hope their not thinking Newhouse is a starter. Not sure what OG's are out there but without a solid starter picked up in FA, I don't see how we get away from using a 1st or 2nd at the latest on an OL to start.
if we reach for DE in the first round of this draft. I don't think any of them are worth it. So for me, i'm hoping Cooper falls to us or if need be we go with the best OL for us which I think is Schreff. I just really do not want to go DE again.
I don't get the idea that we should move Pugh inside because he isn't a mauler.
LT - Beatty
LG - ?
C - Richburg
RG - Schwartz
RT - Pugh
so really we are only in need of a starting LG. We can possibly bring back Jerry to compete or draft a guard in the 2nd or 3rd round and we should be fine.
I don't think the giants will draft a lineman at #9 because I really think they would be reaching and Reese has never been one put too much value in using a top pick for a lineman. He likes to get skill positions and figure out the line. Can't say I disagree since we have 2 superbowls with offensive lines that are riddled with top picks.
Who else was worth going for, or spending the money on? Not to mention, I seem to remember a beat writer mentioning Reese wanting to add some big bodies in the draft.
$18-20M for 4 years. Started ton of games for the Seahawks at G. And only 25. Would you have rather signed him (for a little more) or D. Harris? Not knocking the Harris signing, as we needed a Special teams speedster and a returner to take OBJ off the return team. But a Guard we could have plugged in for the same price? Could have given us Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Carpenter-Pugh on the starting OL.
surprised we have not yet signed a safety. Not sure I agree with you about the no. 9 pick although, with top 10, I do believe you have to go with BPA. That said, I can easily see us taking one of several positions...WR, OL, DE or DT.
I am surprised we made no effort or little effort to re-sign Thurmond.
Frankly, I am even more surprised that Eli has not been extended to free up cap money not just JPP. But it is still early
$18-20M for 4 years. Started ton of games for the Seahawks at G. And only 25. Would you have rather signed him (for a little more) or D. Harris? Not knocking the Harris signing, as we needed a Special teams speedster and a returner to take OBJ off the return team. But a Guard we could have plugged in for the same price? Could have given us Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Carpenter-Pugh on the starting OL.
I agree completely. That's why I think we go OL quickly.
an OG, DL and S before FA is over. I think most the top talent was out of their price range.
Granted we still have a long way to go in FA, but if you asked me last week, my gut was saying we'd grabbed a starting LG/RT in FA and look for a top pass rusher (WR if they slip) in the draft.
Now I think it's a toss-up between pass rusher/OL in rd 1 and probably grabbing the opposite in rd 2. Then looking S/WR in rds 3-4 and the usual late rd LB.
from the inside out focusing on line and QB play first and crafting the squad around those two pieces. So yes, I'm a bit surprised they didn't pick up linemen but also understand that this is a process and the experts are at the table. Plus I'm not sold on the immediate FAs who were available.
The last thing I want to see is the Giants drafting from a position of need. Bpa is the way to go and I hope they don't take a lineman at 9 simply to take a lineman.
Yep, if we go through this year and the OL is again a problem and we do not have enough quality depth to keep it going I don't know if i can keep watching the Giants next year.
While our OL was floundering, we had a decent defense now our defense is pretty depleted and you would think that our OL would be a strength ... but it still is not.
They brought in a veteran backup swing tackle who knows the system and if they re-sign John Jerry, between Newhouse, Jerry, and Jones, their depth will be in place. The starters will be Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz and whoever they draft in round one or two. John Mara said as much way back in January or February when he, Reese, and Coughlin were giving interviews.
they go WR, have all these weapons but don't improve the OL. That is a recipe for a season of highlight reel losses. OH, what a play by OBJ, or Cooper or whoever, but they can't get 1st downs when they need them and lose.
but I don't think we are in that bad a shape as people would be led to believe. A healthy Schwartz is an upgrade over Richburg at left guard. A 2nd year Richburg will be better than Walton. A potential hole at right guard.
Jerry? He would not be awful if he is the 5th best starter on the line. Last year, he might have been 3rd best.
Canadian? Judging by his contract, he looks to be a backup only but hopefully is better than Reynolds as I agree with Eric - he's not an NFL player.
Another journeyman at guard? Again, as a 5th starter you can get by.
Newhouse - I think he is a backup only.
So we have 6 NFL players and I'm sure they'll add a journeyman guard (Jerry or other) in the next week or two.
We do need to get 2 in the draft but the way that we are signing for depth, I see that happening. My guess is at least 1 in the 1st 3 rounds who should be able to compete for the job this year and probably be counted on to start the next.
RE: They're apparently leaning heavily on Schwartz being healthy Â
1. let Thurmond go to the Eagles. Yes, he has an injury history, but when healthy, he is top-shelf and he brings the nasty;
2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded;
3) haven't signed a quality OL;
4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...
$18-20M for 4 years. Started ton of games for the Seahawks at G. And only 25. Would you have rather signed him (for a little more) or D. Harris? Not knocking the Harris signing, as we needed a Special teams speedster and a returner to take OBJ off the return team. But a Guard we could have plugged in for the same price? Could have given us Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Carpenter-Pugh on the starting OL.
Yeah, I agree as well, that would have been a good one.
considering the Giants can't run the ball and have a head coach who insists on running it 50% of the time no matter what and a head coach who plays rookies as a last resort. Yes. Considering that the Giants have an OL coach was given a #1 and #2 draft pick and an expensive FA and all of them shit the bed last year. Yes.
Considering that the Giants are built around a 34 year old QB who is not a runner. Yes. If this is the OL going into 2015 it will be 6 out of 7 with no playoffs.
RE: I'm really surprised, and I think you're right about OL at 9. Â
At a minimum I'd wager that we're going OL in either round 1 or 2.
Yes a bit surprised/dissapointed bother on no OL as well as S. Safety may be bothering me even more but it's still early. The fact that Moore and Parker are still lingering out there give me some hope. I would rather whoever we bring in be on the younger side and have great range. I want to see DRC/Prince play a bunch of m2m this year.
at 9 but being considered for multiple picks in the first 4 rounds. That would be a risky gamble but with the Guard/Center position seeming like it has a few nice candidates 2-4 the Gmen could be looking at grabbing a couple of guys on the Oline in those rounds.
BUT, there are still Vets out there and I am sure more will become available as teams need money for other signings and roster bonuses come into play. Not all roster bonuses are set at the same time so some guys may be let go in the next few weeks...
I think the Giants think that they're fine at both tackle spots. (I think we know now that Pugh is staying at RT).
They must feel like the need only a LG (which they can get a starting caliber LG in round 2 or 3 in the draft, eg: Laken Tomlinson, Kouijando from Alabama, Ali Marpet, AJ Cann). And they can get more depth in round 4 or 5.
The Newhouse signing reminds of the Charles Brown signing although, I do think he's better.
After reading the scouting report on Newhouse, he reminds me of the Saints o-lineman that we signed last year, Brown.
When I look at the O-line roster/depth chart, it scares me. They have no depth; none. They have two tackles who we know can play. Behind them, there is no depth at tackle. They have one guard that we know can play (if he can stay healthy). Jerry and Snyder are FA's and Mosely is still a question mark if he can play at this level. The center ... we assume he can play center at this level. But none of us really know for sure. The Canadian ... it might take him a season to adjust to NFL-caliber interior defensive linemen and linebackers (if he even makes the team). The offensive line roster is littered with players that we have no idea if they can play at this level.
I think Reese is doing a shitty job with the o-line - again.
SLIM, the hole is at LG, not RG. Schwartz is a right side player. Â
playing hurt last year but he was awful. Schwartz in the few snaps he got was way better and he's a failed tackle. Maybe if Schwartz can play RG it will help both of them. Schwartz playing LG was a disaster and probably why he got hurt.
LT - Beatty
LG - ?
C - Richburg
RG - Schwartz
RT - Pugh
so really we are only in need of a starting LG. We can possibly bring back Jerry to compete or draft a guard in the 2nd or 3rd round and we should be fine.
I don't think the giants will draft a lineman at #9 because I really think they would be reaching and Reese has never been one put too much value in using a top pick for a lineman. He likes to get skill positions and figure out the line. Can't say I disagree since we have 2 superbowls with offensive lines that are riddled with top picks.
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I bet you can say that about a oline player on every team. Plus we have the Canadian dude.
I will be kinda surprised if they don't go OL at 9 though.
Scary shit. I hope ends up being a great guard or center... but scary shit right now.
Our OL is THE MAJOR problem on our offense.
No, because those options were expensive and it was only a few players to pick from.
I am surprised we made no effort or little effort to re-sign Thurmond.
Frankly, I am even more surprised that Eli has not been extended to free up cap money not just JPP. But it is still early
I expect them to draft OL between rounds 1-3 and then again in the later part of the draft as well..
I agree completely. That's why I think we go OL quickly.
Granted we still have a long way to go in FA, but if you asked me last week, my gut was saying we'd grabbed a starting LG/RT in FA and look for a top pass rusher (WR if they slip) in the draft.
Now I think it's a toss-up between pass rusher/OL in rd 1 and probably grabbing the opposite in rd 2. Then looking S/WR in rds 3-4 and the usual late rd LB.
The last thing I want to see is the Giants drafting from a position of need. Bpa is the way to go and I hope they don't take a lineman at 9 simply to take a lineman.
Yep, if we go through this year and the OL is again a problem and we do not have enough quality depth to keep it going I don't know if i can keep watching the Giants next year.
While our OL was floundering, we had a decent defense now our defense is pretty depleted and you would think that our OL would be a strength ... but it still is not.
but hey, we have OBJ :)
I believe Reese will address the OL. He has to see the same things we all do.
I'll wait until post-draft and see the roster they're bringing to training camp
Jerry? He would not be awful if he is the 5th best starter on the line. Last year, he might have been 3rd best.
Canadian? Judging by his contract, he looks to be a backup only but hopefully is better than Reynolds as I agree with Eric - he's not an NFL player.
Another journeyman at guard? Again, as a 5th starter you can get by.
Newhouse - I think he is a backup only.
So we have 6 NFL players and I'm sure they'll add a journeyman guard (Jerry or other) in the next week or two.
We do need to get 2 in the draft but the way that we are signing for depth, I see that happening. My guess is at least 1 in the 1st 3 rounds who should be able to compete for the job this year and probably be counted on to start the next.
Agreed
2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded;
3) haven't signed a quality OL;
4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...
Yeah, I agree as well, that would have been a good one.
Considering that the Giants are built around a 34 year old QB who is not a runner. Yes. If this is the OL going into 2015 it will be 6 out of 7 with no playoffs.
Yes a bit surprised/dissapointed bother on no OL as well as S. Safety may be bothering me even more but it's still early. The fact that Moore and Parker are still lingering out there give me some hope. I would rather whoever we bring in be on the younger side and have great range. I want to see DRC/Prince play a bunch of m2m this year.
BUT, there are still Vets out there and I am sure more will become available as teams need money for other signings and roster bonuses come into play. Not all roster bonuses are set at the same time so some guys may be let go in the next few weeks...
I think the Giants think that they're fine at both tackle spots. (I think we know now that Pugh is staying at RT).
They must feel like the need only a LG (which they can get a starting caliber LG in round 2 or 3 in the draft, eg: Laken Tomlinson, Kouijando from Alabama, Ali Marpet, AJ Cann). And they can get more depth in round 4 or 5.
The Newhouse signing reminds of the Charles Brown signing although, I do think he's better.
After reading the scouting report on Newhouse, he reminds me of the Saints o-lineman that we signed last year, Brown.
When I look at the O-line roster/depth chart, it scares me. They have no depth; none. They have two tackles who we know can play. Behind them, there is no depth at tackle. They have one guard that we know can play (if he can stay healthy). Jerry and Snyder are FA's and Mosely is still a question mark if he can play at this level. The center ... we assume he can play center at this level. But none of us really know for sure. The Canadian ... it might take him a season to adjust to NFL-caliber interior defensive linemen and linebackers (if he even makes the team). The offensive line roster is littered with players that we have no idea if they can play at this level.
I think Reese is doing a shitty job with the o-line - again.
No, because those options were expensive and it was only a few players to pick from.
JonC...agree 100 percent, but you can say the same thing about safety. And I never count on rookies to start.
Remember what Jerry Reese said about a month ago..."if it comes down to a play-maker or guard in the draft, I will always take the play-maker."