Anyone surprised/concerned we didn't pursue a serious OL?

the 3 main issues on the o-line last were

1) JD Walton

2) John Jerry

3) Justin Pugh was injured and not close to 100%.


Jerry will be a back up best...hey may not make the team.

Schwartz being injured.

he got basically as much playing time as walter thurmond. We need to see what we have with him.

They saw something in him to invest solid money. They must think he is part of the solution. Gotta give him a season with a training camp.

Not the only choice of course. The front office can't ignore what Zack Martin did for the Dallas O-line last year. He can plug in at LG and immediately solve the biggest hole we have.

Imagine if someone suggested we fix the OL by signing Marshall Newhouse and some guy from the CFL who everybody liked talking to?

We get our doors blown off up front, Eli takes a beating, we talk big....and do nothing about it. As of right now we are still a shitty OL.

La'el Collins or Brandon Scherff make the most sense and either can be plugged right in at left guard or right tackle.

that allowed the Giants to really go BPA with pick #9. Not any more. If they can't land a veteran, they'll do what they did when they drafted Pugh and Wilson:

Claim that one of the young Oline guys was in their top tier and we got lucky they were still there at pick 9.

Sucks, but it's reality. This should have been avoided, IMO.

I could see them offering a mid round pick to a team that has a extra staring quality olineman, before the draft.

which is a result of poor or neglected drafting to the unit over the past few years.

Problem was depth guys either re-signed with their teams or got starter money in FA.

imo, Reese had to bite the bullet and admit he fucked up, overpay to fix the OL this time and free up the draft to take BPA. Maybe he still has time to do that, not sure what's left out there for OL but I'm wondering if we have a pro scouting issue as Jerry, Brown and Newhouse are fucking terrible acquisitions and for whatever reason we felt they were good pickups.

as of today, if he, schwartz, goes down, you basically have zero guards.

a healthy, young-ish line would be

Beatty/The Canuk/Richburg/Mosely/Pugh

without the big free agent, you may need the hypothetical rookie to start right away somewhere on the line, which leaves you less flexible come draft day

Herman....Hard to believe Herman and Mosely are still on this team.....where that 5th starter comes from is anyone's guess....but we have nothing for backups....

In comment 12178337 Milton said:

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La'el Collins or Brandon Scherff make the most sense and either can be plugged right in at left guard or right tackle.

I just can't see them passing up on Cooper or White if they're there at #9. A WR corps of Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Cooper is downright scary for defenses. Might give them the best WR corps in the league.

He is. Just because you don't prefer them taking an OL #9 doesn't mean there isn't value there.

and Walton. Those 2 both sucked. His injury certainly didn't help him either.

You should b e the GM.....

or if they go WR or pass rusher there will be good guards available in round 2. I'm sure one of their first two picks will be an OL

Someone they can say with a straight face "he will compete for a starting spot". Most likely, he will be a guard because it does not appear that they want to spend the money for a tackle.

If they don't sign one more O-Lineman, expect John Jerry will be back. He may be back anyway.

Exactly. To me it's OL and DL. We got our butts kicked at the LOS last season and to date have done nothing to shore up those areas.

with 2 of their first 4 picks. Wouldn't say it's definitely not an OL in round 1 or definitely is a OL in round 1. I don't think thats how they work.

And I do think we have one more FA OL signing coming....Charlie Johnson/Justin Blalock/Joe Barksdale type. A guy that could start, but would preferably be a quality backup with versatility.

In comment 12178352 idiotsavant said:

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as of today, if he, schwartz, goes down, you basically have zero guards. a healthy, young-ish line would be Beatty/The Canuk/Richburg/Mosely/Pugh without the big free agent, you may need the hypothetical rookie to start right away somewhere on the line, which leaves you less flexible come draft day

Moseley? You can't be serious. And it's equally absurd to count on "the Canuck" as a starter at this point.

He's a player. You can't measure heart and that is the number one attribute I like in football players.

And the cream always rises to the top. We shall see.

I'm not sure what they're doing at Safety. The contract Norris signed appears to be in the wheelhouse I thought they'd be comfortable with, but he's more of an in the box S and the money is probably better spent at FS.

They're probably trying to wait out a Parker to get his price down, or Stewart from the Ravens. Haven't heard Miles' name as yet. Hard to blame them from trying to find value on the backend, but I would've spent the money there before choosing the LBs they signed.

It would seem they're already into backup options, primary options aren't falling into place.

In comment 12178370 Sy'56 said:

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with 2 of their first 4 picks. Wouldn't say it's definitely not an OL in round 1 or definitely is a OL in round 1. I don't think thats how they work. And I do think we have one more FA OL signing coming....Charlie Johnson/Justin Blalock/Joe Barksdale type. A guy that could start, but would preferably be a quality backup with versatility.

Hi

Do you think Laken Tomlinson will be there for their 2nd round pick?

And where do you think Marpet goes?

Also intrigued by the Florida St. guard, AJ Cann and Koudinajo from Bama. Thanks.

Is that they released Rogers Gaines.

No. Nothing surprises me in regards to our o-line recently and how Reese has handled it. He thought last year signing Jerry and Brown was a good idea.

Concerned? Yes.

In comment 12178354 Andy in Boston said:

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I just can't see them passing up on Cooper or White if they're there at #9.

I have no idea what kind of grade the Giants will apply to Cooper or White, but if a non-OL guy falls to them who is too good to refuse, I'd rather it was one of the pass-rushers.

a chance to rebound from injuries, it's part of their loyalty component to be respectful and patient.

Newhouse is the swing tackle, now they'll look for a LG or RT, which could be a Scherff if Cooper's gone at #9, for example.

In comment 12178370 Sy'56 said:

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And I do think we have one more FA OL signing coming....Charlie Johnson/Justin Blalock/Joe Barksdale type. A guy that could start, but would preferably be a quality backup with versatility.

The tough part is convincing one of them to sign for "quality backup" money. And after plunking down "quality backup money" for Newhouse, can they really afford to be paying two backups that kind of money?

that they very well may have talked to several OL free agents and found out immediately that their asking prices were more than the Giants were willing to pay, so there never was any negotiating..

Improvement should come from the growth of Richburg and Pugh, as well as the incorporation of Schwartz.

The Giants were a pretty good offensive team last year, despite learning a new offense, the injury to Jennings, having a new center that wasn't all that good, and relying heavily on inexperienced players (Beckham, Williams, Donnell, Pugh, and Richburg). I'd expect the improvement that comes with cohesion and familiarity.

The defense needed to be completely rebuilt.

as there's unlikely a starting RT out there they'll view as an upgrade from Pugh. Sign a Blalock, and they're looking setup for the draft in terms of OL.

It could be Scherff if Cooper is still available at #9, too. No need to put a qualifier on it.

Our "Starters" Are Dreadful And We Have Zero Depth Behind Them. One Of The Worst Running Games In The NFL. Get Used To Another Year Of Plays Being Blown Up In The Backfield.

"In Reese we trust" responses in a thread like this. Times and perceptions sure have changed.

It could, but I expect to hear they love Cooper before long. Remember Reese's own words. You're showing some consistent bias on the OL subject.

Remember that name

and going out to make a panic signing, then I'm cool with it

I put him at LG because that is where the Giants put him. If he is a RG, he is still an improvement over last year. He factors into the picture somewhere and has proven to be a competent starter in the league.

but the crop that figure to be in play at #9 are more tweener and less DE, which is where NYG tends to put their cap dollars. Catch-22.

new contract with JPP and Eli. It is possible that Reese is reluctant to pull the trigger until those deals are done.

I agree with a lot of what you said regarding the organic growth of our young offensive talent. I have one important question. Who is playing LG at a level we can feel confident won't derail the offense?

IMO that person isn't currently on our team. Names like Blalock/Barksdale leave me cold. They are throwing good money after bad just as we did with Jerry. This O-line needs an infusion of nasty. It's far too 'finesse' of a group than I'm comfortable with.

In comment 12178241 PSIMMS 22-25-268 said:

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$18-20M for 4 years. Started ton of games for the Seahawks at G. And only 25. Would you have rather signed him (for a little more) or D. Harris? Not knocking the Harris signing, as we needed a Special teams speedster and a returner to take OBJ off the return team. But a Guard we could have plugged in for the same price? Could have given us Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Carpenter-Pugh on the starting OL.

I agree completely. That's why I think we go OL quickly.

"This O-line needs an infusion of nasty. It's far too 'finesse' of a group than I'm comfortable with."

SO TRUE!!

In comment 12178281 GiantNatty said:

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1. let Thurmond go to the Eagles. Yes, he has an injury history, but when healthy, he is top-shelf and he brings the nasty; 2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded; 3) haven't signed a quality OL; 4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...

I guess your standard reply to the same sort of sentiment is different when it's Eric?

In comment 12178446 JonC said:

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It could, but I expect to hear they love Cooper before long. Remember Reese's own words. You're showing some consistent bias on the OL subject.

I'm not married to an OL with the first pick, but I think that people are reading way too much into that line from Reese about taking the playmaker every time. You also heard Coughlin talking about running the ball and stopping the run.

As I said earlier, if a non-OL prospect who is too good to pass up falls to the Giants, I'd rather it be a DL who gets to the QB, than a WR to serve as an insurance policy on Victor Cruz.

It isn't 'bias' to realize the Giants could pick Scherff with Cooper still available.

Personally I do have Cooper in my Top tier and one of the only two true blue chip prospects in this draft. That doesn't mean the Giants see it that way. Even if 'leaks' emerge that the team is 'high' on Cooper how can we trust such spin?

In comment 12178281 GiantNatty said:

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1. let Thurmond go to the Eagles. Yes, he has an injury history, but when healthy, he is top-shelf and he brings the nasty; 2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded; 3) haven't signed a quality OL; 4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...

OOOPS!!!....nevermind GiantNatty....I thought you were somebody else....

In comment 12178455 JonC said:

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but the crop that figure to be in play at #9 are more tweener and less DE, which is where NYG tends to put their cap dollars. Catch-22.

I could see the Giants falling in love with Randy Gregory. I know his weight is well less than ideal, but the Giants will love his length and closing speed, not to mention his relentless style of play. Or not.

He has 1 healthy season in his career. One.

"yawn, stretch, yup, same thing again, one OL injury and we are in for a long year, this was highly predicted"

Lets hope that we don't have the same sentiment this pre-season.

as of today I am not seeing it go well at all.

this board has typically over estimated the OL coaching as some sort of miracle event waiting to happen.