Anyone surprised/concerned we didn't pursue a serious OL?

Fair enough, and we do agree on the pass rusher preference. I do expect Cooper to carry a higher grade than Scherff, though.

Torrag, I was referring more to Milton's consistent running comments on OL at #9, not so much Scherff vs Cooper. Lazy writing on my part.

that 'our OL coach will make this into a great unit', just does not hold up.

you need the horses and they are very hard to get

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In comment 12178455 JonC said: Quote: but the crop that figure to be in play at #9 are more tweener and less DE, which is where NYG tends to put their cap dollars. Catch-22. I could see the Giants falling in love with Randy Gregory. I know his weight is well less than ideal, but the Giants will love his length and closing speed, not to mention his relentless style of play. Or not.

We agree on Gregory/NYG, I've written a few times I could see them sprinting to the podium with his name on the card at #9. My opinion of him has slipped a bit in recent weeks, especially at 235 lbs, he looks more like a 3-4 OLB. But, I wonder if he'd be too tempting for them in the end.

In comment 12178317 arniefez said:

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playing hurt last year but he was awful. Schwartz in the few snaps he got was way better and he's a failed tackle. Maybe if Schwartz can play RG it will help both of them. Schwartz playing LG was a disaster and probably why he got hurt.

This is my feeling. They put Schwartz back on the right side as starting RG. They are clearly high on the Canadian, so let him compete for both C/LG with Richburg. So it wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of these two configs starting day one:

Beatty-Richburg-Jones-Schwartz-Pugh

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Beatty-Jones-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh

coupled to our needs relative to the systems that we run, and lastly incorporating Reese's draft philosophy, I think a very similar positional draft could happen in the first few rounds. WR round 1, followed by OL/DL rounds 2-3.

There will be a bunch of good looking plug and play OL at 40 Tomlinson, Cann, Jackson, Erving, Fisher, Donovon Smith (who fits G-men ideal prototype) and possibly a few still in round 3.

The wild-card here IMO is Preston Smith if he somehow lasts to 40. I think he also very closely fits the Gmen prototype at DE, has great combine numbers and an excellent last season. In round 3 , if any of those O-lineman are still there or maybe even Marpet could be in the mix. A couple DL that could come into play in round 3 would be Odi (not earlier due to the medical) and Henry Anderson.

Cooper/White/Parker + OL @ 40 in Reese's mind is likely much greater value than Scherff/Peat/Collins + WR @40 unless he feels one of the top guys projects as an elite LT (which could replace Beatty or sub in at the most critical OL spot due to injury).

Beatty-Richburg-Jones-Schwartz-Pugh

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Beatty-Jones-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh

We have to do better.

Then I guess OBJ and co. will be twittling their thumbs watching their QB watching the sky.

are prepared for 6-10 or worse if schwartz gets injured again? or if he just plain sucks?

This is looking like a trade down year - big time.

we need guards and defensive linesmen that can start and dominate, safeties, etc.

The Giants have shown a willingness to start rookie OL players; Pugh and Richburg. I am hoping to get 2 OL players in rounds 1 through 3. 1 of those hopefully can be a starting left guard. I know that's a tall order, but not impossible.

I wonder if they'll consider Newhouse at the spot. He's been signed as the swing tackle, but I could them trying him at LG rather than sitting on his arse on the bench. I expect Richburg to beat out Jones, and realistically Jones might not be of NFL starter caliber.

I believe they'll sign an LG, like Blalock.

which makes the cascading effect of the whole beatty thing kind of sucky still.

we have had too many 'could slide over' situations.

But I can't do that,it's more of the same from the Giants this year.

mental laziness "we will figure something out/patch something together"

and off to the races with the supposed 'talent' positions again...'nice taper' ...'sexy hips'...'beauty eyeliner'

for the Giants in this draft is to trade down to around 20 and take one of the first round tackles.

OT in the middle part of the first represents by far the best convergence BPA and need for the Giants. Plus they pick up another pick.

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where 1 of the top 2 WRs is staring them in the face and the team is almost forced to take an OL because of a glaring need. Jerry's comments after the season about "ODB vs. Zach Martin" make me feel somewhat better about this not happening, but not signing a starting caliber OL in FA makes it dicey.

im not panicking yet

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is extremely weak.

In comment 12178562 OdellBeckhamJr said:

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im not panicking yet

Good point hopefully they can still get a quality S and Olineman

In comment 12178516 Torrag said:

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Beatty-Richburg-Jones-Schwartz-Pugh -OR- Beatty-Jones-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh We have to do better.

Yeah I don't disagree and I'm completely speculating on their opinion of Jones.

However, I fully expect Schwartz and Pugh to be healthier and better this year. I think Schwartz moves to RG and helps Pugh be even better. I also liked what I saw from Richburg, and I'd have to think year two (if he stays healthy) will be an even better year for him... and you have to think they have absolutely have him penciled in as the starting center. Which means they need a LG. I'm actually not really that unhappy with that scenario.

Aside from Hermann still on the roster... There are a couple of JAGs that no one has mentioned... isn't the gigantic guy (Bamiro I think) still on the roster as an OT? Also Kropog, Gettis, and Cleary?

In comment 12178517 micky said:

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Then I guess OBJ and co. will be twittling their thumbs watching their QB watching the sky.

They spent so much time watching the sky last year that Beckham was named Offensive Rookie of the Year, and Eli had one of his best seasons.

...It really is.

People just make shit up.

In comment 12178595 drkenneth said:

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...It really is. People just make shit up.

It does get tiresome.

Is it possible that the OL isn't THAT bad? I mean, considering how the offense played last year?

-Yes, the run game needs to improve.

-Like it not, injuries happen. A healthy Schwartz, Pugh, Richburg at C is an improvement.

-We are in a position at #9 OR #40 to grab a OL.

Maybe we should just carry 12 DOMINATE (hate when people use that word) OL, that never get hurt.

Richburg was a rookie
Schwartz was hurt.

I think there's plenty of room for the players we already have under contract to get better.

Just not playing John Jerry improves the line.

are bargain hunting and if they do grab a reliable Guard, it would merely be for 1 year IMO. I think they will pursue a olineman in the draft and that guy will be given an opportunity to compete this year for a starting gig with the idea of getting that guy on the field, as a starter, the following year. our current cap situation is not good enough to garner a top FA lineman. This remaining resources will probably go to snagging one of the safeties.

back to compete with Mosely again?! Not very comforting IMO.

Afraid that the Giants are going to go with a figure in the dike approach to fixing the OL and put whole offense at risk of disaster with one injury to the OL. They are not upgrading, just plugging holes.

Unless going into FA,the Front office clearly ranked OL very high in the draft for rd 1,2 and are committed to building a young line.

What I have observed lately, is these FA OL have all broken down. Baas broke down, Schwartz broke down, so I had a sense they would want to go young on OL and solidify 3/5 young OL for the rest of Eli's tenure with Pugh, Richburgh + new guy.

But what I was clinging to, in order for that to come true was a solid DT signing to stop the run. That hasn't happened. That's my bigger concern

this is a joke right?

I think it was that specific players were really bad (John Jerry and JD Walton) and it adversely affected the entire protection scheme.

Having Schwartz for more than one game, along with Richburg and Pugh each having an additional year of NFL experience under their belts will go a very long way towards this line improving substantially.

If they decide to snatch someone of worth with one of their top draft picks to fill LG, I would feel pretty comfortable with this line going into the season.

in FA. I think they are just waiting on the prices to drop before they sign someone.

The Giants also still need a safety or two...

we didn't pursue a serious defensive player either, and we've still got 7 or 8 spots to fill to put 11 players out there.

Our big signings so far are a 3rd down back and Canada's best offensive lineman. 3rd place goes to the kick returner.

Anyone with any insight into wtf the Giants are up to, let us know.

This isn't 1986. Depth is an illusion.

What if we singed Orlando Franklin to a huge deal, and he got hurt? People would complain then.

There are only a few true blue chippers in this draft. It could very well be they expect OL draftees to actually be best available. If there should be surprise, there are plenty of quality OG in round 2 & 3.

If we brought in an a expense FA, who you going to sit?

In comment 12178624 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Richburg was a rookie Schwartz was hurt. I think there's plenty of room for the players we already have under contract to get better. Just not playing John Jerry improves the line.

And Pugh had to play next to Jerry..

I think there has to be another signing at OG. They just don't have 5 starters and they've never left themselves this open at a staring spot. There is just no one who you could even imagine as a starter. Even if they resign Jerry it's not really enough given their bad history of injury. They need a Jerry as a backup.

the free agent tracker on ESPN has a shit load of 'C' rated OL still available and the guys signed already, that got a lot of money on day 1-2 were mostly of the 'C' variety as well---Franklin included...

In short, there are a lot of stop gap decent vets out there that will see less and less money with every passing day. The Giants are bargain hunting but based on the grades handed out to guys signed vs guys still available, won't really see much of a difference in performance. At least on paper...

IF we could just sign a decent stop gap OL we can then add a player in the draft and with a little health in the right places see a dramatic upgrade along the OL in 2015.

LT - Beatty is Beatty along with recent FA pickup
LG - New LG hopefully one coming here soon
Center - Richburg and Canada upgrades over Walton
RG - Schwartz, Jerry and rookie
RT - Pugh

That's 3 spots that could be better than last year with just one savy addition over the next week or so and a decent draft pick...it's not doom and gloom

concerned.

for two reasons. First, what if the guy you want is gone? It isn't a endless list of guys they think can come in and start as rookies. Second, what if someone drops who you have rated higher. You pass up BPA for a need pick? JR won't do that.

he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'.

Because he's an imbecile.

They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

In comment 12178281 GiantNatty said:

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1. let Thurmond go to the Eagles. Yes, he has an injury history, but when healthy, he is top-shelf and he brings the nasty; 2. let Rolle walk for a contract we seemingly could have easily afforded; 3) haven't signed a quality OL; 4) haven't signed a safety given the enormous hole now left by Rolle's departure. The situation at safety is now critical...

Yeah, safety is a huge hole, but so is LB and DL to some degree. I still don't like letting Linval go nor I like letting Rolle Go. Rolle even more so, he was the glue back there it was clear.

and special teamers... we get get 3 of them for the price of one actual good NFL player on the OL or DL...
so no im not surprised... more disgusted.
we need S, DL, OL to start FA.... we have done nothing for either... and if we draft a WR I will be less then pleased

In comment 12178731 BigBlueCane said:

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he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'. Because he's an imbecile. They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

Nobody in the league values offensive line more than playmakers.

Once one of our starters get hurt and miss multiple games (it'll happen), people will get pissed. No real depth...again.

But then again I'm not. It is the Giants.. You would think that would be their number one focus this off season based on how bad the Oline looked last season?? It's all very strange.. It will all fall on Reese if this goes bad again that's for sure..

In comment 12178731 BigBlueCane said:

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he's proven consistently he doesn't value OL as much as he does 'playmakers'. Because he's an imbecile. They needed at least 2-3 OL this year. One to start right away, one that can be ready to step in case Beatty drops off the cliff. And one in case Schwartz/Pugh struggle going forward.

Would you just stop it already? Now Reese is an "imbecile"......So what you are saying is:

-We need another LT who can start in case "Beatty drops off a cliff"

-Another RT, in case Pugh "struggles"

-And, by the way, let's get another G in case Schwartz (who was a big FA signing last year) "struggles"

We should probably looking into getting another QB in case Eli gets kidnapped, and maybe another stud WR in case Beckham comes down with malaria.

Do you type with your feet?

the o-line should be priority number 1. If the Giants' front office does not realize then there is a major problem.

If you can not build a functioing o line that will allow Eli and the offense to excel then find a GM who can.