to the O-line at 40, can they outscore enough opponents to make the playoffs? To add an outstanding playmaker to OBJ, Cruz, and Vareen is such a tempting thought. To neglect the defense however seems devasting to me. Pinball scoreboards would seem to be the future.
Amari Cooper= just too good to pass up
Shane Ray or Vic Beasely if Giants decide either can be a defensive end ( I think both can and Spags can do some interesting things with them as far as QB pressure
The 4th is my sleeper Malcolm Brown-great rub stopper with a pass rush
I would place high odds against them drafting a WR at number 9. It would be a real surprise.
This site is skewed by the fact that OBJ was the best rookie WR of all time.... and think adding another first round WR will give the same marginal impact he did--- I dont believe it will at all. He is the exception not the rule.
what will help more and still be a big value? the top OL in the draft... a stud DE or pass rusher like Beasley
I dont understand how some of the better posters here talk about FA is for plugging your needs....and then we dont plug ANY needs... and somehow we still want to take a WR possibly at #9? We were the softest team in the NFL last year. That should be the focal point of the draft and FA--- but it hasnt been.
the only way i would feel pleased taking WR in the first is if we know we can get a Cam Erving in the 2nd...
I was fine with taking WR at 9 until we didnt address any big needs in FA of yet. that can still change- hopefully it does.
but as is we have left little flexibility for the draft---- its a deep RB draft and our first signing was... a RB? Its all quite strange. Our best signing was also the one we overpaid the most for with harris.
I too think that Cooper and White will be gone before 9, and that we'll take either an OL or Malcom Brown, and either of those guys will be a big help to our biggest areas of weakness. So there is hope. If they take Landon Collins I'll puke, however!
One of those 2 lasting is a possible best case scenario ... but it won't happen
The thing is, the Giants aren't going to base their decision on BBI's rankings, they will go by their own rankings. And it's very possible that the Giants have Scherff or La'el Collins ranked ahead of the WR's. So it could be that the Giants draft an OL who is truly the best player available.
p.s.-- Where do I go to find BBI's rankings?
Could be. Complicated further by Randle's improved play near the end and uncertainty about Cruz. There are going to be a couple of great picks for G available in round two. So if either of the top two WRs are there at 9, and it looks at least one will be, "pickle," indeed.
Last year all the way leading up to the draft many draftniks were talking up Watkins and Evans as the consensus top 2 and then a drop off. I still take Cooper if I could choose any, but Devante is right there with him and White.
Mock drafts and "expert opinions seem to indicate
Cooper will fall out of top 10
the only way I see him gone is to the Jags at 3 or the
bears at 7 and they are both focused on defense
If we could do that plus stop the run....that's the fastest path to a 10 win team
If its Cooper you pick him.
Beasly Shelton Fowler Scherff or Peat may all be huge successes
The WR on the brain now prevalent is just not a surity to success.
Harvin Wallace Marshall and Andre Johnson could all have helped this team a lot more than any WR available at 9. Why not get a proven player of its so needed
It's a want
Dallas killed the Giants like they always do - passing the ball and hitting long 3rd downs
If Shelton is there I get him. If not, you can find a vet DT (Brayant, Cofield,, Starks to help - all at this point still offer something
Not many teams will have the opportunity to have 2 cheap stud WRs. As bad as everyone wants to win 10+ games next year, it's likely not going to happen anyway (unless we get some major breaks), so preparing for the year after and not worrying about the most dynamic position in the sport is a huge leg up.
We don't pay much at all. Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Parker make under $9 million combined for 2015. Adding a WR at 9 puts us around $10 and change, which is my point about going WR.
Adding a cost controlled top receiver at 9 like Cooper/White or Parker could make this offense 2011-like or better.
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Beckum, Cruz, Cooper, a lot of money on one position
We don't pay much at all. Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Parker make under $9 million combined for 2015. Adding a WR at 9 puts us around $10 and change, which is my point about going WR.
Cruz is an unknown and Randle may not get a second contract. I'd say WR is very much a need.
WR isn't the certain strength fans tend to believe it is, right now ...
At #9, I do not think Scherff is as good as Martin nor do I see anyone who could potentially project as an elite LT (except perhaps Peat who the Giants may not be high on).
You can get a guy in round 2 @ 40 who is likely a very good OL. For rough comparison: Cooper+ Cann/Erving/Jackson/Fisher/etc. >>> Scherff+ rd 2 WR
Lastly, Packers stockpile WR in their offense and it's worked great for them. This is a different system than the last. The preference is alot of 3 sometimes 4 WR sets and alot of high level interchangeable receivers. Randle as said previous, may not be second contracted and Cruz is still an unknown. Cooper/White/Parker should be very much in play.
If the value is there certainly. However, unless there is a shift in philosophy, just don't see the Giant preferred prototypes at Edge rusher/ OL in top 10.
Very gung-ho on Cooper, not so gung-ho on White though. I'd pick an OL or DL over White at #9
I also don't think you can win in the playoffs with a defense as bad as the Giants' was last year and projects to be this year.
Parker reminds of Plax with better RAC ability and open field explosion. Also, he might be the best compliment to OBJ of the 3 top WR's in this draft.
Parker reminds of Plax with better RAC ability and open field explosion. Also, he might be the best compliment to OBJ of the 3 top WR's in this draft.
I don't know if I would use #9 on Devante Parker...maybe if we were picking in the middle or late 1st round. I would only move off OL or DL if Cooper is there. I would seriously think about picking Shelton instead of one of the OL if he is there and then go OL at #40
Cooper (if he's there)
Shelton (if he's there)
Scherff
Peat
La'el Collins
Therefore I see only 2 players that the Giants will decide from or take what's left and that's Cooper or Parker and Parker is definitely a top 9 talent in this draft.
I also don't think you can win in the playoffs with a defense as bad as the Giants' was last year and projects to be this year.
You mean like the Packers do with Rodgers? Or Denver does for Peyton? Or like any team with a good QB?
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to then have to keep pumping money into offensive weapons. The point of having a great QB is to be able to make guys better and elevate the whole unit.
I also don't think you can win in the playoffs with a defense as bad as the Giants' was last year and projects to be this year.
You mean like the Packers do with Rodgers? Or Denver does for Peyton? Or like any team with a good QB?
When was the last time the packers spent a 1st round pick on a offensive skill position? (javon walker, wr in 2002)
Does anyone expect this team to win the Super Bowl this year? I don't. I hope to see improvement and really challenge for the playoffs. So with that in mind you take the WR to have really dynamic playmakers next year.
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to then have to keep pumping money into offensive weapons. The point of having a great QB is to be able to make guys better and elevate the whole unit.
I also don't think you can win in the playoffs with a defense as bad as the Giants' was last year and projects to be this year.
You mean like the Packers do with Rodgers? Or Denver does for Peyton? Or like any team with a good QB?
When was the last time the packers spent a 1st round pick on a offensive skill position? (javon walker, wr in 2002)
Also, Pats and Brady.
If you've got a QB making 20+ million, you hope he's good enough that you don't have to completely imbalance your roster to get a return to that investment.
Peyton, in general, has had more offensive skill talent on his teams in his career than arguably any top QB in history.
No brainier to me if they are available
Does anyone expect this team to win the Super Bowl this year? I don't. I hope to see improvement and really challenge for the playoffs. So with that in mind you take the WR to have really dynamic playmakers next year.
Amari definitely. I'm leery of White though, he could be a Terrell Owens-caliber receiver or he could be Stephen Hill. I would improve one of the lines with #9 is Amari isn't there
Hill had 28 catches his Sr. year. White had 108.
Everyone else is just another guy. I hope we can add to our Wr corps and give Eli more weapons.
2. best defensive player available (holes everywhere)
3. OL
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5 on D, 2 on O, but premium picks on O, numbers on D.
As we all know Beckham is really special so lets surround him with weapons. We made 2 nice improvements with Vereen and Harris. Harris will have a role on offense and Vereen will certainly make us a tougher team to defend vs the pass.
Add an explosive WR at 9 and make it tough on defenses to take out Beckham. We try to light up the scoreboard and win with offense.
I expect some options to be there at #9 to make this work.
Could have technically said that the same time last year and we would have missed out on OBJ.
I think the answer is a "no brainer" = WR. You already have Beckham who is so good you need to surround him with talent so that other teams can't just focus on taking him out of the game. With the injury Cruz suffered, I'd be shocked if he can ever play at the same level he did before. Randle is just "a guy". So, right now Beckham is pretty much out there all alone. Add another receiving threat, and you change the entire dynamics of the team.
I don't see that kind of impact coming from one player at any other position. Defense would be my choice if the Giants had maybe 5 of the first ten picks in the draft. But with only ONE, my choice is WR. I only pray that there is a WR worthy of the #9 selection when they pick.
I think the answer is a "no brainer" = WR. You already have Beckham who is so good you need to surround him with talent so that other teams can't just focus on taking him out of the game. With the injury Cruz suffered, I'd be shocked if he can ever play at the same level he did before. Randle is just "a guy". So, right now Beckham is pretty much out there all alone. Add another receiving threat, and you change the entire dynamics of the team.
I don't see that kind of impact coming from one player at any other position. Defense would be my choice if the Giants had maybe 5 of the first ten picks in the draft. But with only ONE, my choice is WR. I only pray that there is a WR worthy of the #9 selection when they pick.
With the systems were running offensively and defensively, I'd say it's between a premiere edge rusher and WR depending on fit/value at 9.