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Nat Berhe: Next Man Up

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2015 1:30 pm
Some highlights...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0-MK1zS8Ic - ( New Window )
He may not have coverage speed  
PEEJ : 3/14/2015 1:32 pm : link
but he hits like a truck
even assuming he's good enough to start  
chris r : 3/14/2015 1:33 pm : link
we need another safety. Stevie Brown was horrible and Cooper Taylor hasn't proven anything including that he can stay on the field.

Also Berhe is more a SS type which is the least valuable of the two safety spots.
chris  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2015 1:34 pm : link
before he got hurt last preseason, Cooper Taylor was looking good.
I think Berhe will start at one spot  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2015 1:36 pm : link
but the other is wide open. If Cooper Taylor could stay healthy then I think the both of them could form a solid duo but Taylor can't make it out of the preseason healthy. They need to add a safety in the draft and add a veteran like Jeromy Miles or trade for Kenny Vaccaro. I do not want Stevie Brown back but I have a feeling his return is inevitable.
Some youth and hunger  
bceagle05 : 3/14/2015 1:37 pm : link
may not be the worst thing for this defense.
Cooper Taylor  
Mr. Nickels : 3/14/2015 1:39 pm : link
is more of a starter than Behre but both will likely start unless we get 2 safeties early in the draft or sign some one. I don't get why Behre is entitled to a spot but Taylor isn't. They are both 5th round picks. Taylor has actualy playing time. What is so different about them>?
In those highlights, Berhe reminds me of Bob Sanders  
No Where Man : 3/14/2015 1:41 pm : link
in his size and hitting ability.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2015 1:42 pm : link
Cooper Taylor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-G0aoEWayg - ( New Window )
RE: chris  
chris r : 3/14/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12183354 Eric from BBI said:
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before he got hurt last preseason, Cooper Taylor was looking good.


He was. But he's been hurt in back to back seasons and I don't think he or Behre have the range to play center field.

I like Taylor as the third safety in the Deon Grant role.
RE: chris  
mrvax : 3/14/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12183354 Eric from BBI said:
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before he got hurt last preseason, Cooper Taylor was looking good.


True. Do you remember his injury, what it was? I'm hoping he's 100% and been practicing his conditioning program. It would be very important for him to participate in a full camp before the real games. I hope for once we get an injuries-derailed draft pick to turn it around and be productive & healthy.
RE: chris  
Reb8thVA : 3/14/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12183354 Eric from BBI said:
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before he got hurt last preseason, Cooper Taylor was looking good.


To rely on Taylor is negligent. He can't stay healthy and there is too small of a sample of his play to warrant that
I never saw one  
Doomster : 3/14/2015 1:53 pm : link
of those hits last year....I do recall a couple miffs though.....and by the way, how is his knee doing?

Can anyone name all the good defensive starters we have drafted from the fifth round on, in the last 10 years?
.  
SoZKillA : 3/14/2015 1:54 pm : link
Maybe if Kenny Phillips stayed healthy and Will Hill didn't smoke like Cheech and Chong we wouldn't have this problem at safety smh
oh man  
MyBoyBlue : 3/14/2015 1:58 pm : link
Even in his highlight reel, Taylor is not healthy. He's got his hand wrapped up like a club. haha.
Yeah, I have lots of confidence in Taylor  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/14/2015 2:01 pm : link
...he looked great on those 3 tackles he made in actual NFL games.

</sarcasm>
Put as good a face on it as you wish  
HomerJones45 : 3/14/2015 2:04 pm : link
But it is a huge gamble to go into the season with two inexperienced safeties and a guy who isn't very good.
Taylor  
geemanfan : 3/14/2015 2:05 pm : link
Had the same sesamoid injury to his toe that Beason had . Never said if he had surgery but the injury happened in August.
I told you guys this when he was drafted  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2015 2:08 pm : link
Berhe won't disappoint.
Berhe  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2015 2:10 pm : link
Did make some plays that impressed me on Special Teams. However he battled some injuries late in the year. I would like to see him get a shot
I don't recall any miffs by Berhe and his name was never cursed by BBI  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2015 2:11 pm : link
I can only recall one special teams penalty as the lone negative on Berhe.
Will Hill is still haunting us.  
bceagle05 : 3/14/2015 2:11 pm : link
What a dipshit he was.
Cooper  
AcidTest : 3/14/2015 2:14 pm : link
Taylor is basically a rookie, and comes from a lower level of competition. Berhe was a fifth round pick, who played very little on defense last year. It could be a long season at the safety position.
will hill  
hutch33 : 3/14/2015 2:14 pm : link
was tendered at lowest tender....he just had a baby and is doing great...if spags has any say so , i say giants give him a chance
Behre seems to have that heat seeking middle to the  
Headhunter : 3/14/2015 2:16 pm : link
ball that Will Hill had. I am not comparing him to Hill, but he finds the ball carrier and will put a hit on him. I have no idea if he can cover a lick, haven't seen enough to form an opinion
Heat seeking missle  
Headhunter : 3/14/2015 2:16 pm : link
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I have more confidence in Behre than in Taylor  
jeff57 : 3/14/2015 2:17 pm : link
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Cooper Taylor if healthy  
Headhunter : 3/14/2015 2:17 pm : link
gave us a nice tease last summer
I would be ok with them bringing back Stevie Brown  
NYG07 : 3/14/2015 2:19 pm : link
but it looks like barring a trade Reese will be drafting a safety early
Maybe they'll  
RetroJint : 3/14/2015 2:21 pm : link
be the Gary Barbaro & Deron Cherry of this generation, playing for the Giants instead of the Chiefs. Taylor & Berhe have been in the program. This is their time.
I have hopes that both of them can fill the starting roles.  
JFIB : 3/14/2015 2:23 pm : link
Problem is their the only two safeties on the roster. We need at least 2 back ups.
Can Behre cover?  
Headhunter : 3/14/2015 2:24 pm : link
is he fast enough?
We've seen the bare minimum of both Taylor and Berhe  
Anakim : 3/14/2015 2:42 pm : link
I don't know how anyone can say that Berhe can be a starter next year. It's baseless. I know coaches like him, but are we really supposed to be confident in him as a starter?
RE: will hill  
dguy901 : 3/14/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12183451 hutch33 said:
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was tendered at lowest tender....he just had a baby and is doing great...if spags has any say so , i say giants give him a chance

Has he paid his child support or is there a warrant on him?
He can't run  
Joey in VA : 3/14/2015 2:53 pm : link
And he's short, that's a bad combination in today's NFL.
can't run is a concern  
Headhunter : 3/14/2015 2:58 pm : link
short? not so much if he can cover which I don't know if he can
What I remember from what I've seen and read on  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2015 2:59 pm : link
Berhe is that he's a big hitter, but often overcommitts early on plays and ends up out of position, potentially letting a guy get behind him.
Now these guys are the answer?  
Lithium : 3/14/2015 3:12 pm : link
Comical!
Exactly when was Cooper Taylor looking good...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/14/2015 3:14 pm : link
Last preseason before he got hurt?

Is this some kind of a joke?


.  
Go Terps : 3/14/2015 3:17 pm : link
Personally I find this to be a preferable scenario to overpaying free agents. This route is the better long term use of resources.
RE: chris  
InvisibleBlack : 3/14/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12183354 Eric from BBI said:
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before he got hurt last preseason, Cooper Taylor was looking good.


You have any rumors?
Don't count out drafting  
mikeygiants : 3/14/2015 3:24 pm : link
Landon Collins at #9 or later.
If our top 3 guys are Cooper Taylor, Nat Behre and S. Brown  
SGMen : 3/14/2015 3:26 pm : link
Well, so be it. But I still believe we need a veteran FS who can cover down the field. We were TORCHED down the middle all of last year cause our LB's and Safeties sucked in coverage.

If Behre and Taylor step up with Brown re-signed and rotating in & playing dime we will be OK I guess. Rookie mistakes early in new defense will hurt. And by rookie I mean first time starters in Behre and Taylor.

We shall see, we shall see.
RE: Don't count out drafting  
Toth029 : 3/14/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12183585 mikeygiants said:
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Landon Collins at #9 or later.
Landon Collins is just like Taylor and Berhe. Berhe is a big hitter, though, so he could have an opportunity playing FS.
Berhe: what I liked as much as  
ColHowPepper : 3/14/2015 4:03 pm : link
his hitting were his reads and recognition: accurate and mostly quick. Hard to tell about coverage in that film sample.

Why did he not see the field more? Did his injury occur before the Giants were officially done, which came pretty early in the season.
He didn't play because the Vets in front of him  
arniefez : 3/14/2015 4:09 pm : link
didn't get hurt. That's pretty much the only way rookies play on the Giants last resort or desperation.
I'd be fine with this actually  
Joey in VA : 3/14/2015 4:14 pm : link
If the team just flat out admitted it was rebuilding and we started restocking the lines. We're signing mid 20s fringe type LBs, when is that a strategy? If Berhe can play, great, if Taylor can, great, but we have no evidence of either yet, why else was Reese ready to pay McCourty so much? Because we don't have a safety problem?
RE: Exactly when was Cooper Taylor looking good...  
Klaatu : 3/14/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12183564 Jimmy Googs said:
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Last preseason before he got hurt?

Is this some kind of a joke?



As I recall, he was leading the team in tackles in the preseason before he got hurt, and was primed for the "Deon Grant" role. He'd eclipsed everyone on the depth chart except for Rolle and Brown.
Think about it....  
Doomster : 3/14/2015 4:55 pm : link
All Taylor has done is look good in preseason games?

Berhe couldn't crack the lineup with Demps and Brown out there?

We may have to convert a corner to play safety....If there are no safeties out there, it's a possibility....guess what McCourty was before?
I like both Berhe and Taylor,  
Simms11 : 3/14/2015 5:22 pm : link
however, they are probably bot SS. Taylor might be the guy who could be a Free Safety with his height and athleticism. I would be perfectly ok with both of these guys starting, however, we still need 2 more safeties, as the Giants usually keep 4 and we need someone to help out with veteran savvy and leadership. My hope is that we make a deal to bring in one of the older Free Safeties as a mentor and depth. Still a few of this guys hanging out there.
RE: Think about it....  
Mason : 3/14/2015 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12183708 Doomster said:
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All Taylor has done is look good in preseason games?

Berhe couldn't crack the lineup with Demps and Brown out there?

We may have to convert a corner to play safety....If there are no safeties out there, it's a possibility....guess what McCourty was before?


I know it is your shtick but I wouldn't use the fact that Behre didn't "crack" the starting lineup as a gauge in his ability. The whole Demps over Behre was questioned by beat writers who have more access to team practice than you. Stapleton just a couple of weeks ago called it a mistake. For whatever reason Fewell wanted to go down with vets if possible for the most part. He was DC and it was his call.
Is it that difficult...  
BMac : 3/14/2015 7:56 pm : link
...to spell Berhe? It's just fucking mind boggling.
i think he can be a good player  
hitdog42 : 3/14/2015 8:11 pm : link
it would be better if he could come along next to a veteran that is solid as well
As I mentioned on other threads  
bradshaw44 : 3/14/2015 8:16 pm : link
Reese has gone on record saying that he likes our young safeties. I'm sure they will get a vet or two to fill the void. But I think they are going to lean on the young guns at safety.

I mean, why draft them if you aren't going to play them...
OK,  
Doomster : 3/14/2015 9:26 pm : link
I know it is your shtick but I wouldn't use the fact that Behre didn't "crack" the starting lineup as a gauge in his ability. The whole Demps over Behre was questioned by beat writers who have more access to team practice than you. Stapleton just a couple of weeks ago called it a mistake. For whatever reason Fewell wanted to go down with vets if possible for the most part. He was DC and it was his call.


Nothing to do with Schtick.....just like anyone else on this board, my opinions are based on what I see of games on TV and in highlight films.....there are writers and there are writers.....Do you really think, that Fewell would put players out there, that he didn't think were better than on his bench? If true, then his tenure here was one year too long...

It's not schtick to question the reasoning for having two fifth round draft picks, with no experience, being starting safeties for this team...
If Berhe can grow two inches since the combine, I believe he  
Marty in Albany : 3/14/2015 9:47 pm : link
can do anything.
I've consulted my crystal ball...  
mrvax : 3/14/2015 10:09 pm : link
Damarious Randall (FS - Arizona State)will be selected by the Giants in the 3-4 round. The kid still needs a year of coaching and weight room but he should be a good player by 2016.


There you go. Someday we will have 2 decent safeties.
Please god no more mid round project safeties  
NYG07 : 3/15/2015 12:49 am : link
That is not the answer. Reese can talk all he wants about how comfortable he is with the young safeties. The only difference between the safeties this year and 2009 is that we had a potential pro bowl safety in 2009 that got hurt in week 2. Its looking more and more like the pick will be landon Collins at no. 9
RE: Please god no more mid round project safeties  
blueblood : 3/15/2015 1:04 am : link
In comment 12184150 NYG07 said:
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That is not the answer. Reese can talk all he wants about how comfortable he is with the young safeties. The only difference between the safeties this year and 2009 is that we had a potential pro bowl safety in 2009 that got hurt in week 2. Its looking more and more like the pick will be landon Collins at no. 9


I dont think so.. The Giants simply dont value safeties that high.. You would have to be an extremely special talent at safety.. im talking Ed Reed, Sean Taylor... Collins is neither..

I cannot see any scenario where Collins will be the highest rated player on their board @ 9..
Starting safeties in 2007  
Go Terps : 3/15/2015 2:16 am : link
Gibril Wilson
James Butler

Maybe I don't know shit, but neither of those guys was Ed Reed.

Note for what I say below: I realize that the stated value of a contract is one thing, and the guaranteed money is another. I just don't have that data so I'm going to go by what I know. In the words of Billy Burr, "Don't listen to me...I don't read."

Ron Parker's new contract average annual cost to Kansas City: $5 million

Nat Berhe's average annual cost to NY Giants: $600,000

Nat Berhe doesn't have to be as good as Ron Parker to be the smart selection over signing Parker. He only has to be half as good. I'll say that again because that's a heavier statement than it seems at first: if Berhe is half the player Parker is, we're better off going with him than Parker.

As I move along as a football fan I am more greatly convinced that the difference in titles is determined by either the players at the very top of the pay scale or those at the very bottom. Tom Brady (on his 6th round rookie deal), David Tyree, Malcolm Butler, Kevin Jones, Malcolm Smith...all cheap and unknown players that had enormously important moments for champions. On the other side you have Eli, Peyton, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Brees.

I'm a few beers in so who knows if I make sense, but to me champs have seen their fates determined by high profile and high cost players, and cheap anonymous guys. Unless Ron Parker has a David Fulcher feel about him, is he really worth it?

Great post Terps.  
BlueLou : 3/15/2015 2:21 am : link
Keep drinking and write another!
RE: RE: Exactly when was Cooper Taylor looking good...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/15/2015 8:57 am : link
In comment 12183689 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12183564 Jimmy Googs said:


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Last preseason before he got hurt?

Is this some kind of a joke?





As I recall, he was leading the team in tackles in the preseason before he got hurt, and was primed for the "Deon Grant" role. He'd eclipsed everyone on the depth chart except for Rolle and Brown.


Thanks Klaatu. I don't follow the pre-season as closely as others, but I do recall Corey Washington leading the NFL in touchdown catches too at some point.
Apples and oranges, Jimmy.  
Klaatu : 3/15/2015 9:22 am : link
What Washington did was nice, but a little flukey (kind of like that kid from the Seahawks in the Super Bowl). Anyway, the real WR star of the preseason was Marcus Harris.

Now, if you'd been paying closer attention, you would have seen that Taylor showed good speed, good awareness, and was a sure tackler. That's why he'd shot up the depth chart. You can knock the guy because he hasn't been able to stay healthy, but you can't knock his performance on the field. He may end up being the next Gerris Wilkinson, and that would be a shame, so I prefer to keep the snark to a minimum, and keep hope alive, too.
Until he lines up in a Regular Season game  
Jimmy Googs : 3/15/2015 3:33 pm : link
and starts making plays on third down to get the Defense off the field, he is just a JAG.

If he can't even get there because of health issues, then he isn't even worth calling a JAG.

But yes, I would love for Taylor to contribute at yet another position on the field we have bottom of the league talent.
Go terps speaks the truth  
hotrod48 : 3/15/2015 8:09 pm : link
I think JR needs to have a few beers. I can see no reason to pay JPP 13.5 or 14 mil. Paying out those $ ham strings the entire D-Line. We could have signed 4or 5 good functional D- Line players for that much or less. Assuming JPP has a banner year, he can not have the same positive effect as 4 or 5 others. Watch JPP and SUH and see if either team make the playoffs or not. I know that neither team will make it on the backs of their defences. JPP may have a fab year but only if we play 10 or 12 games against poor teams.
yeah, doomster... every team is littered with RD5-7  
Matt G : 3/15/2015 8:29 pm : link
Defensive starters... Jfc
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