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DE George Johnson Is Still Out There

KWALL2 : 3/16/2015 6:11 pm
After the season, he thought he was unrestricted but missed being an unrestricted FA by 2 days.

Lions then made the mistake of giving him a low round tender which opens up the opportunity for the Giants to steal him.

Giants would not have to give up anything to sign Johnson. They should give it a shot and make an offer.

He's set to make 1.3mill next year. Give him a 3 year deal with some guaranteed cash and we have a valuable addition to the DL at a bargain

We need pass rush help. Johnson flashed plenty last year in the NFL. He's long and athletic. Can slide inside on passing downs or give us a quick outside rush.
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KWALL2 : 3/16/2015 6:13 pm : link
Graziano at Espn likes the idea:

The Giants should think outside the box and make a nice offer to Johnson, a restricted free agent who was tendered at the original-round level by the Lions last week. He's a 27-year-old pure pass-rusher who could blossom under Steve Spagnuolo and outplay the value the Lions assigned to him with the tender. Detroit would have the right to match any offer, but it would be worth the Giants' time to find out whether they could steal him away. -- Dan Graziano
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YANKEE28 : 3/16/2015 6:14 pm : link
I am hoping that George Johnson and Jeromy Miles are added this week.
Those are two young players  
JonC : 3/16/2015 6:15 pm : link
I'm interesting in adding and seeing the price. I bet it's more than comparable to the signees thus far.
LOL  
PaulN : 3/16/2015 6:16 pm : link
Reese has a plan. don't worry.
Yankee  
KWALL2 : 3/16/2015 6:19 pm : link
I would love Miles. That's a guy I wanted to draft.

The current depth chart at S sure is ugly, isn't it? We need a guy like Miles more than Johnson.
It depends  
YANKEE28 : 3/16/2015 6:34 pm : link
on how the Giants feel about Wynn and Moore.

JPP and Ayers are locks and you have to give strong consideration of Wynn and Moore as 2 more locks to make the squad. (I actually prefer Wynn over Moore-far better at playing the run).

If you sign George Johnson, is there room on the final roster for 5 DEs? Unlikely

Can  
Toth029 : 3/16/2015 6:41 pm : link
They truthfully count on Ayers and Moore at the moment due to their injuries? Johnson can provide both depth and insurance.

They could always go 5 DE if the talent is there. DT right now is only Hankins, Jenkins, and Bromley.
Moore is my choice for  
Coach Mason : 3/16/2015 6:41 pm : link
'Corey Webster' emerging player of the year under Spagnuolo.

Kid has loads of talent and just needs to be let loose.
Bill Polian has Johnson ranked higher than JPP.  
Klaatu : 3/16/2015 6:42 pm : link
So he's got that going for him.
RE: Moore is my choice for  
Reb8thVA : 3/16/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12187233 Coach Mason said:
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'Corey Webster' emerging player of the year under Spagnuolo.

Kid has loads of talent and just needs to be let loose.


That is a good point Mason. I forgot how much Webster thrived once Lewis was gone. Let's hope for the same thing from Moore.
Detroit has more money  
jayg5 : 3/16/2015 7:07 pm : link
Under the cap then the nyg. After losing Suh, and Fairley I'm not sure we would be able to pry him away no matter how creative the potential offer.
Polian must be a Rutgers guy  
KWALL2 : 3/16/2015 7:30 pm : link
He loves Johnson based on his 3rd down pass rush skills.

Last year: 141 3rd down snaps for Johnson. 11 tackles. 4 sacks.

And consistently disruptive.

For comparison 3rd down play of:

Jerry Hughes: Past 2 years: 387 snaps, 14 tackles, 6 sacks
JPP: Past 2 years: 320, 16, 6.
Creative???  
Salty Meats : 3/16/2015 7:31 pm : link
Jerry Reese??? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Empty suit!!!!
Polian on Johnson  
KWALL2 : 3/16/2015 7:34 pm : link
He ranked FA with grades. Had Johnson as a B+ and clearly one of the best values on the market.

George Johnson, DE, Detroit Lions
He is an outstanding natural pass-rusher who has length, speed, power and slipperiness in getting to the quarterback.

He also really likes Vereen.
Shane Vereen, RB, New England Patriots
He has speed, separation quickness, the ability to avoid defenders as a runner, really good hands and is obviously smart enough to master varied alignments as part of New England's pass package. He's also a better runner from scrimmage than most give him credit for, despite his size. He would be a good addition to almost any team because of his versatility.
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old man : 3/16/2015 8:20 pm : link
Let's push the envelope to Detroit.
If someone else out there wants him they will bump the price up and maybe we let it go. If nobody then its on Detroit.
At least he wont be dangling out there so if he is on JRs radar, then gone, JR plans forward accordingly.
That said, doesn't GJ have a reputation as sort of lazy, which is why his price is likely lower.
I'm pretty sure Reese's plan  
antdog24 : 3/16/2015 8:39 pm : link
is hire a new head coach.
old man  
jayg5 : 3/16/2015 8:45 pm : link
I agree that should be the plan.

This team needs some sort of free agent that can improve our oline or dline. How this free agency period has gone I'm not sure how us fans would react if we have another swing and miss(Mccourty, Dan Williams,Brandon Graham)
Not sure  
geemanfan : 3/16/2015 9:18 pm : link
How much Detroit has after they took on Nagata's contract.
RE: BBI Favorite  
santacruzom : 3/16/2015 9:27 pm : link
In comment 12187192 KWALL2 said:
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Graziano at Espn likes the idea:

The Giants should think outside the box and make a nice offer to Johnson, a restricted free agent who was tendered at the original-round level by the Lions last week. He's a 27-year-old pure pass-rusher who could blossom under Steve Spagnuolo and outplay the value the Lions assigned to him with the tender. Detroit would have the right to match any offer, but it would be worth the Giants' time to find out whether they could steal him away. -- Dan Graziano Link - ( New Window )


I would be so shocked if this actually happened that I'd suspect my morning coffee of being laced with DMT.
For better or worse  
SGMen : 3/17/2015 12:21 am : link
We know JPP will start at one DE position UNLESS he holds out which I don't see him doing.

The other DE position will likely be rotational with Moore and Ayers primarily. I hope Wynn really shows well in camp too.

Our DL is just not that deep or talented and if we have any major injuries we are likely in big trouble.

Johnson wouldn't be a bad move but we aren't likely to get him as the Lions would match.
RE: For better or worse  
Coach Mason : 3/17/2015 12:41 am : link
In comment 12187592 SGMen said:
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We know JPP will start at one DE position UNLESS he holds out which I don't see him doing.

The other DE position will likely be rotational with Moore and Ayers primarily. I hope Wynn really shows well in camp too.

Our DL is just not that deep or talented and if we have any major injuries we are likely in big trouble.

Johnson wouldn't be a bad move but we aren't likely to get him as the Lions would match.


Color me optimistic my friend but Moore is a strong candidate to emerge under the watch of our new DC.

Ayers was also our best DL the first half of last season. If he heals up, I think our DE rotation may not be better than most expect.

Ayers is signed through 2015  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2015 8:06 am : link
And becomes a FA. I believe Wynn can go back to the PS, not sure about that. Moore is a talented pass rusher and I don't think anybody will deny that. It is his ability to be a 3 down player that we wonder about.

I still think JPP should play mostly on the left side and Moore would would move to the right. Then the Four Aces formation you can put them anywhere you want.

Adding Johnson would be a good move when you also look beyond this season.
Should read  
Coach Mason : 3/17/2015 9:16 am : link
'May be better'
I would like to at least hear they entertained the idea.  
Curtis in VA : 3/17/2015 9:18 am : link
Even if they are outbid.
How often do you see teams make an offer to a tendered player?  
HomerJones45 : 3/17/2015 9:27 am : link
Let's see if any team makes an offer to this guy.
The point is how low the tender is  
Curtis in VA : 3/17/2015 9:29 am : link
.
I will get rhetorically murdered here for this  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2015 9:35 am : link
but Demontre Moore might be a defensive linesman who gets a roster spot by being listed under 'linebacker', to open up spots for guys like Wynn, and Ayers in addition to the 2 or 3 defensive linesmen of all types we draft this year.

and making those '5' looks more easy to implement. I mean, the guy is barely 250 lbs.
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