This relationship is key for the defense to even ponder being in the top 10.
Obviously health is the biggest concern here.
Otherwise, they are both well known commodities and have talent to succeed at this level.
Antonio Pierce mentioned how his relationship with Spags was paramount for their success throughout the playoffs. In addition to Stahan and others playing well.
So... If Beason stays healthy, and others players meet expectations, I see a good enough defense moving forward to win a championship.
Defense still needs parts : a legit starter at DE opposite JPP, a WILL upgrade, slot CB, and more talent at S.
The fewer of the above that are procured, the greater the chance the defense will be too thin, and will regress to the mean, imo.
As for Beason as long as he is healthy he can give what Pierce did in this defense...he is a smart Linebacker and you need that as your MLB...
Pierce in 2007 was not an athletic MLB but he was smart and always had the defense lined up correctly...
Any chance he can become a legitimate starter opposite JPP? I understand the LE vs RE situation
Any chance he can become a legitimate starter opposite JPP? I understand the LE vs RE situation
This has to be the year they play him enough to find out.
Everybody wants them to shop for DEs, but I'm not sure we know what Moore is yet.
Personally, I strongly dislike what I saw from him during the brawl in St Louis. He acted a damned fool.
Personally, I strongly dislike what I saw from him during the brawl in St Louis. He acted a damned fool.
I don't know about all that, but I see a young man with talent who makes plays on Special Teams. Hopefully a little maturity will expand his role and strengthen his position within the defense
Defense still needs parts : a legit starter at DE opposite JPP, a WILL upgrade, slot CB, and more talent at S.
The fewer of the above that are procured, the greater the chance the defense will be too thin, and will regress to the mean, imo.
I have to believe another miracle draft, as opposed to recent stinkers, can cover these holes. A long with a couple savvy veteran signings come training camp
We all hope for the same, and we see the talent on Specials as well. It's up to him to make more happen, the physical talent is there.
Availability is the best kind of ability. IF.. IF.. If he stays healthy... Beason will be fun to watch.
The run option is defensed with disciplined football. Each man has to play his assignment. It is stopped in college and it can be stopped in the pros. Once the DE plants the QB a few times, the will to run goes away. DEs and OLBs in the NFL are bigger, faster and stronger than college players.
The more the pros see it, the less effective it becomes.
To Jon's comment on Moore, I add only this: he had a hard time keeping his weight at 245 last season, according to Fewell & Coughlin. Forget the program weight. It's a lark.
Defense still needs parts : a legit starter at DE opposite JPP, a WILL upgrade, slot CB, and more talent at S.
The fewer of the above that are procured, the greater the chance the defense will be too thin, and will regress to the mean, imo.
Pierce was incredible in the run that year and it was not all his head. The dood was all over the field.
Does MacClain's contract justify back-up minutes? Although w/Beason's injury propensity he may not be back-up for long.
I can see your point, but he's talented enough to warrant a chance to grow up. I'm not sure I'd count on it, but I would give him an ultimatum this year with a list of clear expectations I wanted him to achieve. If he doesn't develop, you move on. But, he's young enough and talented enough to give him this year.
Didn't Kalil Mack nearly lose a game for the raiders because he was celebrating while the other team was lining up to quickly snap?
Defensive ROY.
Football players aren't exactly the cleverest bunch.
Moore has some growing up to do but he's my 'Corey Webster' pick for a big emergence under Steve.
We need some optimism around here so I'll throw it out there and think he begins to become a pass-rushing force at DE and at least passable vs. the run in the new system.
His last injury should not be one that lingers unless he over trains again but from his comments it seems he understands now...
you make Moore split time with Kennard as SAM / 'elephant'.
so you have Mcclain as Mike backed up by Beason and then Herzlich 3rd Mike
Kennard and Moore as SAM and Elephant (right side here? ) backed up by Herzlich 3rd Sam
and whichever of the little, fast ones survives the cuts on the left / tight end side (will here?)....taken off the field by extra safeties as often as possible?
so, a 5 - 1 - 5 look could, in one way, include a Mike (the '1')...an elephant (the '5th' DL) and a 3rd safety (the '5th' db)
Damn you. Reading that brought back flashbacks of Russell Wilson. OMG, what a nightmare.
I agree - on both points. The Giants season turned around in 2013 when Beason was signed. And it turned around again in 2014 when he went down. I would love to see him come back to 2013 form this year, but I'm not optimistic.
How about Bortles?...two huge runs that led to the game winning fg in the final drive....
The Giants season turned around in 2013 when Beason was signed. And it turned around again in 2014 when he went down.
You give Beason too much credit....in 2013, it was the emergence of Hill and playing a string of second class quarterbacks that turned that season around...
In 2014, it was an offense that showed nothing in preseason, and continued to struggle at the beginning of the season....
First is Beason - say what you will but by moving fwd as we are it indicates prognosis:positive on Beason returning to the field. Whether him and Rolle were really buddies or not, it's a good thing if Jon Beason is "the voice" of your defense.
Second is the addition of 2 REAL linebackers who impressed the Giants enough to earn decent contracts. (J.T. Thomas and Casillas.) Thomas will start, Castillas a package player. 2 fast, physical linebackers who hit and tackle. Not Paysinger and Jacquian Williams masquerading.
3rd is a 2nd-year Devon Kennard at SLB, particularly when he's lined up at the LOS in a 50 front. Kennard showed real ability as a blitzer and Spags will send him.
McClain at 6th man. McClain can call a Defense and pressure the A Gap and is a value player for Spags.
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Also the + by -: the coach-killer: no more J-Will in and out of the line-up, causing ineffectiveness and inconsistency of the D. He was picked on by other teams in both run and pass. getting j.williams out of our plans (and replacing him with a real linebacker in J.T. Thomas) is a fair upgrade to the team
First is Beason - say what you will but by moving fwd as we are it indicates prognosis:positive on Beason returning to the field. Whether him and Rolle were really buddies or not, it's a good thing if Jon Beason is "the voice" of your defense.
Second is the addition of 2 REAL linebackers who impressed the Giants enough to earn decent contracts. (J.T. Thomas and Casillas.) Thomas will start, Castillas a package player. 2 fast, physical linebackers who hit and tackle. Not Paysinger and Jacquian Williams masquerading.
3rd is a 2nd-year Devon Kennard at SLB, particularly when he's lined up at the LOS in a 50 front. Kennard showed real ability as a blitzer and Spags will send him.
McClain at 6th man. McClain can call a Defense and pressure the A Gap and is a value player for Spags.
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Also the + by -: the coach-killer: no more J-Will in and out of the line-up, causing ineffectiveness and inconsistency of the D. He was picked on by other teams in both run and pass. getting j.williams out of our plans (and replacing him with a real linebacker in J.T. Thomas) is a fair upgrade to the team
Really want to root for Beason but he is about as injury prone as they come and getting older which usually doesn't help. I really hope he.can stay healthy for the whole season. I think he brings that Peirce leader ship from MLB we haven't had in a long time.