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George Selvie is expected to visit the #Giants today

sphinx : 3/19/2015 11:01 am
Art Stapleton & #8207;
Cowboys FA DE + one-time Giants tryout George Selvie is expected to visit the #Giants today. ... So yeah, they are intrigued. Again. #NYG

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RE: RE: Selvie's adequate  
JonC : 3/19/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12192409 bigbluescot said:
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In comment 12192396 JonC said:


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but let's not overrate Wynn just yet either, and Ayers is still on the mend.



Depending on what we offer i.e if the signing bonus/guaranteed money is low, we could just see Selvie as a hedge against Ayers health.


scot, yup, and if we draft a DE then two of the collective are out the door.
I think Selvie is the perfect kind of DE signing  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/19/2015 12:01 pm : link
that we need in the off season - he has some seasoning now - and playing with JPP again might invigorate him - he certainly did show some potential in 2013 - maybe there is a reasonable explanation for his downturn in 2014 - in any event he's a run stopper - and a rusher
What year was it  
BIG FRED 1973 : 3/19/2015 12:01 pm : link
that he was on our practice squad 2011 or 2012 ?
BBI story  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2015 12:10 pm : link
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George Selvie Visits NY Giants; NY Jets Sign James Brewer - ( New Window )
he  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2015 12:11 pm : link
was never on the PS. He worked out as a tryout player in 2013. The Giants didn't sign him.
Filling out roster with quality rotation players  
Coach Mason : 3/19/2015 12:17 pm : link
is an under-rated aspect of the off-season.

Some here may disagree but we have quite a few core guys at the premium positions already in place: Eli,OBJ, Beatty on O. DRC,Prince (who I believe will be resigned),JPP,Hankins and then some emerging guys like Moore (who I think takes a big leap under Spagnuolo) and Kennard on D.

The roster may not be exactly where we want it but the cupboard isn't bare and I have faith Reese will put together another strong draft this year.
raanan has a good piece on him here  
GiantsFan84 : 3/19/2015 12:18 pm : link
a solid run defender and nice addition to the rotation if signed
Link - ( New Window )
Selvie can fill a role as a solid rotational LDE  
Torrag : 3/19/2015 12:19 pm : link
He shouldn't cost to much and he can contribute.
Thanks Eric  
BIG FRED 1973 : 3/19/2015 12:29 pm : link
..
good move  
idiotsavant : 3/19/2015 12:30 pm : link
ellis, vereen, harris,

smart moves.

wait and see how all the linebackers fit, assume that unit is a work in progress, but the moves there seemed rational as well.

they are inching back towards players who know the game and make plays, which makes sense, and guys who are not injured
With equal amounts of playing time  
old man : 3/19/2015 12:33 pm : link
I predict Brewer will stop more JETS runs from being successful than Ellis will stop our opponents.
RE: Ooo, the USF Bulls  
Giants2012 : 3/19/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12192293 section125 said:
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re-unite. Wasn't Selvie the big name at USF the year before JPP emerged?


Yes - it was all Selvie. Suddenly the "other" DE was doing backflips and caught some attention with his play on the field.
RE: Filling out roster with quality rotation players  
blueblood : 3/19/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12192527 Coach Mason said:
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is an under-rated aspect of the off-season.

Some here may disagree but we have quite a few core guys at the premium positions already in place: Eli,OBJ, Beatty on O. DRC,Prince (who I believe will be resigned),JPP,Hankins and then some emerging guys like Moore (who I think takes a big leap under Spagnuolo) and Kennard on D.

The roster may not be exactly where we want it but the cupboard isn't bare and I have faith Reese will put together another strong draft this year.


building the roster from the bottom up..
RE: Filling out roster with quality rotation players  
BLUATHRT : 3/19/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12192527 Coach Mason said:
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is an under-rated aspect of the off-season.

Some here may disagree but we have quite a few core guys at the premium positions already in place: Eli,OBJ, Beatty on O. DRC,Prince (who I believe will be resigned),JPP,Hankins and then some emerging guys like Moore (who I think takes a big leap under Spagnuolo) and Kennard on D.

Exactly. You can't have world beaters at every scaffold of the depth chart. Even though you don't know exactly what you have in Wynn, you know you have a smart, hard working player, who did nothing but hold his own when he got into the lineup last year. If Selvie is your 5th DE, you could do a whole lot worse.

The roster may not be exactly where we want it but the cupboard isn't bare and I have faith Reese will put together another strong draft this year.
blueblood  
PaulN : 3/19/2015 12:44 pm : link
You make all good points and I can not argue with you. We do have a core of players, the question I have though is this, will this core be any good? We have had a few bad seasons now, and I am starting to get concerned. I want to be optimistic, but you have to admit, we had such bad drafts that our depth started to be affected and now that has grown into out starting core players also, and the results have been 3 seasons without a playoff appearance. I think last years draft was better, but we have got to hit on this draft, we can not afford any more bad drafts right now or this will get out of hand.
Paul, also under-rated in it's NEGATIVE impact  
Coach Mason : 3/19/2015 12:55 pm : link
Being 1st in the league in injuries the past 2 years and a highly questionable system on defense.

If the injuries normalize a bit and Steve replicates his previous success here that would go a long way to improving our performance on the field.

3 sacks last year  
ZogZerg : 3/19/2015 1:00 pm : link
7 the year before.
RE: blueblood  
blueblood : 3/19/2015 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12192601 PaulN said:
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You make all good points and I can not argue with you. We do have a core of players, the question I have though is this, will this core be any good? We have had a few bad seasons now, and I am starting to get concerned. I want to be optimistic, but you have to admit, we had such bad drafts that our depth started to be affected and now that has grown into out starting core players also, and the results have been 3 seasons without a playoff appearance. I think last years draft was better, but we have got to hit on this draft, we can not afford any more bad drafts right now or this will get out of hand.


PaulN I agree with this 100%. My thought on this is simple. The Giants shot their wad BADLY trying to get that Superbowl in Giants stadium in 2013. They went to a Superbowl in 2011 and thought they were close to getting back there in 2013. Thus they took A LOT of risks in the draft IMO and hanging onto players that were falling off in performance a season or two TOO Long.. Snee. Diehl. Tuck.. etc etc

Then in 2013 they had to shift their ideology which is why we are seeing better drafts in 2013 and 2014.. The injury issues have be huge.. We need to build depth from the bottom up so we stop wasting middle and late round draft picks on guys who should be able to play and help on specials.. and it turns out they SUCK on specials..

I agree 100% they REALLY need to nail this draft...
I remember him being  
barens : 3/19/2015 1:08 pm : link
very active against us for whatever it's worth.
We all assumed the Cowboys defense would suck last year  
mfsd : 3/19/2015 1:35 pm : link
Selvie was one of the guys who proved to be better than expected for them in 2014
.  
arcarsenal : 3/19/2015 1:48 pm : link
Another guy in that 26-28 age range we seem to be focusing on.
RE: I remember him being  
blueblood : 3/19/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12192649 barens said:
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very active against us for whatever it's worth.


I kind of remember that too..
Was this our mystery visitor from yesterday???  
Damon : 3/19/2015 1:51 pm : link
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RE: Was this our mystery visitor from yesterday???  
Coach Mason : 3/19/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12192756 Damon said:
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Yeah, his flight was severely delayed ;)
More on Selvie from Ranaan article  
Coach Mason : 3/19/2015 2:21 pm : link
Here's what Selvie would bring to the table for the Giants.

A solid run-stuffing defensive end ‐ This is what the Giants tried to get out of Kiwanuka last year, although the results weren't very good. Selvie finished 14th among all 4-3 defensive ends (according to Pro Football Focus) with a +6.1 grade against the run. That would help the league's 30th-ranked run defense. Kiwanuka finished at -9.4.

A veteran with a proven track record ‐ Selvie has played in 68 career games. He's finished with a positive PFF grade against the run each of the past three years. The Giants know what they're getting if he signs a deal.

A quality complement to Robert Ayers/Damontre Moore ‐ Right now, Moore and Ayers are atop the depth chart at left defensive end. Developmental prospect Kerry Wynn is also in the mix. But Ayers and Moore are significantly better at rushing the passer. Selvie would provide a different dimension to the group.

Strong work ethic ‐ A term often used to describe Selvie is "high motor." He makes plays because he never gives up on plays and chases down everything. Effort isn't something the Giants will likely have to worry about if he's added to the mix.

I also think he has a bit of pass rush upside as 7 sacks albeit in 2013 is not a bad number.
Seems like run stopping would be well addressed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2015 2:34 pm : link
if the starting DL is Pierre-Paul-Hankins-Ellis-Selvie.

No idea if selvie would be the starter, but that would make Ayers, Wynn, and Moore situational pass rushers along with Jenkins.
Marc Ross crapping on Selvie during 2010 draft  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2015 2:38 pm : link
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Q: How much did (George) Selvie, on the other side, how much did that benefit him?

A: We will talk about Selvie later. This kid is a great player. Selvie --- not much; not much. This kid helped Selvie.

Q: Then how do you know he won't - two years ago people were talking about Selvie kind of how there were talking about Jason PP now. How do you know he is not going to be another Selvie?

A: They are totally different players; totally different skill set; totally different athletic ability. The media was talking about Selvie - the guy had a tremendous sophomore year. He had 15 sacks or so. But his production has gone down and that is where you evaluate their skill set; their athletic ability; the height, weight, speed, the quickness, the strength, those things.


On the whole, Ross wasn't wrong. Selvie wasn't and isn't a great player, not in the class that JPP was. However, Selvie has proven to be a solid if unspectacular NFL player, which is more than Ross seemed to be giving him credit for coming out of college.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/4/23/1438781/marc-ross-director-of-scouting-04 - ( New Window )
RE: Seems like run stopping would be well addressed  
Coach Mason : 3/19/2015 2:38 pm : link
In comment 12192906 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if the starting DL is Pierre-Paul-Hankins-Ellis-Selvie.

No idea if selvie would be the starter, but that would make Ayers, Wynn, and Moore situational pass rushers along with Jenkins.


First down and short yardage deployment vs. the stronger running teams. Don't. Spags will have the ability to mix and match for ideal match-ups with the depth Reese is gathering.
I must admit  
Carl in CT : 3/19/2015 2:40 pm : link
When Eric said another player was coming in I was hoping for a better player!
Coach Mason  
PaulN : 3/19/2015 3:03 pm : link
Absolutely, injuries have hurt badly, the Wilson pick, which was a controversial pick to begin with, really hurt, to get nothing out of your first round pick sets an organization back. If that first rounder is a QB, and hopefully a franchise QB, that can kill an organization, we need only look at the Jets, first they were unable to develop and/or surround Sanchez to continue with him, which actually started out pretty good, then they look like they whiffed again on Geno Smith.

But to get back to us, the 2012 draft when we picked Wilson in the 1st and Randle in the 2nd rounds had a really bad affect on us, now it looks to me like Randle just was ill suited to play in Gillbride's offense, but the Wilson injury really set the organization back, then if you add in Kenny Philips who was our first rounder in 2008, that also turned out to hurt us, then in that same draft we landed Steve Smith in the 2nd round and that turned out to be another killer.

So injuries as much as anything have really hurt the Giants and Reese. Those three players could have been core players, instead they all had very short careers, and all did show promise, although some could make an argument against Wilson.
Not thrilled with Selvie as a difference maker  
dpinzow : 3/19/2015 3:36 pm : link
but decent depth
If they sign Selvie  
NY-Fan : 3/19/2015 4:31 pm : link
I do not think they draft DE at 9.
If I remember Correctly,. Selvie beat Pugh continually  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 3/19/2015 4:34 pm : link
in the games we played them. He stood out in the giants games and played very well
RE: If I remember Correctly,. Selvie beat Pugh continually  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12193283 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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in the games we played them. He stood out in the giants games and played very well


You might also remember that Pugh was playing with one arm..
If they sign Selvie he'd get a small guarantee and likely still be  
yatqb : 3/19/2015 4:43 pm : link
cuttable if he didn't win a spot in camp. I see no reason why Selvie would prevent us from drafting a DE early, just as I see no reason who adding Ellis would stop us from taking a Dt early.

I guess what I'm saying is that signing him can't hurt us.
Re:  
jripper420 : 3/19/2015 4:46 pm : link
Intriguing...Another role player...Another dollar spent and were still no closer to improving the talent level of this team. What's funny is were reworking contracts for cap room to sign guys who will make little or no difference to this team. I Could care less if people say I'm annoying but there has been very little to be excited about this year and off season. 3 loosing seasons, 2 assistant coach changes, bad free agent signings and 1 great pick in Beckham Jr. sums up the Giants the past couple of years...The fact that people were hyping this guy to be some big free agent is also a head scratcher. I guess at this point we just let Jerry keep cherry picking his budget shopping and we hope for the best. What else can we do. Couldn't get any worse.
Adequate depth signing  
TD : 3/19/2015 4:47 pm : link
He's a solid #3 or #4 DE and would help for the reasons others have pointed out above.

He would have no impact on our draft plans, however.
RE: Re:  
yatqb : 3/19/2015 5:13 pm : link
In comment 12193319 jripper420 said:
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Intriguing...Another role player...Another dollar spent and were still no closer to improving the talent level of this team. What's funny is were reworking contracts for cap room to sign guys who will make little or no difference to this team. I Could care less if people say I'm annoying but there has been very little to be excited about this year and off season. 3 loosing seasons, 2 assistant coach changes, bad free agent signings and 1 great pick in Beckham Jr. sums up the Giants the past couple of years...The fact that people were hyping this guy to be some big free agent is also a head scratcher. I guess at this point we just let Jerry keep cherry picking his budget shopping and we hope for the best. What else can we do. Couldn't get any worse.


Who would you have signed? The Giants went after McCourty and he decided to stay home, and Suh was too rich for us. Other than that there weren't a lot of difference makers at positions of need for us. Paea, maybe, but Ellis might be able to do the same job for tons less money, and if we draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds it might be superfluous to have that FA after a year.
Forgot Dan Williams.  
yatqb : 3/19/2015 5:24 pm : link
But all these other Safeties that signed elsewhere were SO overpriced that it wasn't worth it, and might even have caused grief when we later tried to re-sign Amukamara.
RE: That's kinda funny  
TMS : 3/19/2015 5:41 pm : link
In comment 12192292 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I wonder if he remembers when Jerry Reese claimed JPP made Selvie.
Thats pretty interesting, because Spags has to have input into the talent pool available. So if he signs off maybe there is something more to Selvie that others realize. I am a Spags believer especially in defensive ability.
Didnt realize he has so much starting experience  
j_rud : 3/19/2015 5:45 pm : link
(29 of his 34 games with the Cowboyss). Like Ellis, would be a solid under the radar signing and would give the Giants a nice stable of pass rushers with JPP, Moore, and Ayers. I'd be a fan of this move.
RE: RE: Re:  
Simms11 : 3/19/2015 6:05 pm : link
In comment 12193390 yatqb said:
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In comment 12193319 jripper420 said:


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Intriguing...Another role player...Another dollar spent and were still no closer to improving the talent level of this team. What's funny is were reworking contracts for cap room to sign guys who will make little or no difference to this team. I Could care less if people say I'm annoying but there has been very little to be excited about this year and off season. 3 loosing seasons, 2 assistant coach changes, bad free agent signings and 1 great pick in Beckham Jr. sums up the Giants the past couple of years...The fact that people were hyping this guy to be some big free agent is also a head scratcher. I guess at this point we just let Jerry keep cherry picking his budget shopping and we hope for the best. What else can we do. Couldn't get any worse.



Who would you have signed? The Giants went after McCourty and he decided to stay home, and Suh was too rich for us. Other than that there weren't a lot of difference makers at positions of need for us. Paea, maybe, but Ellis might be able to do the same job for tons less money, and if we draft a DT in the 1st 3 rounds it might be superfluous to have that FA after a year.


You have to remember this is a team sport and although some of the signings may seem underwhelming to the average fan, they actually play a role on this team and will probably fit in quite nicely in fact. So you can call the money spent wasted, but in my opinion and that of the Giants, all these guys will probably play significant roles in the grand scheme of things. Take the latest signing, for example, Ellis is a run-stopper, and to pair him inside with Hank should provide a significant upgrade to our run D. Ellis alone might be a meh signing, but paired with a potential all-pro, could be the right formula and think we paid much, much less for him then any of the other sought after DTs on the market. I think the Giants got it right.

Sign a veteran safety and on to the draft. Of course, we need to nail this draft too.
RE: Re:  
Giantology : 3/19/2015 7:17 pm : link
In comment 12193319 jripper420 said:
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Intriguing...Another role player...Another dollar spent and were still no closer to improving the talent level of this team. What's funny is were reworking contracts for cap room to sign guys who will make little or no difference to this team. I Could care less if people say I'm annoying but there has been very little to be excited about this year and off season. 3 loosing seasons, 2 assistant coach changes, bad free agent signings and 1 great pick in Beckham Jr. sums up the Giants the past couple of years...The fact that people were hyping this guy to be some big free agent is also a head scratcher. I guess at this point we just let Jerry keep cherry picking his budget shopping and we hope for the best. What else can we do. Couldn't get any worse.


Intriguing... you continue to have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Having better depth leads to improving the talent level of the team. Because we didn't sign the players with the names you recognize, the Giants are having a bad offseason in your eyes. Kick Returners, 3rd down backs, run stopping DTs, they don't make a difference in the football game? Hmmm.
flight delayed today  
sphinx : 3/19/2015 7:24 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
Selvie's flight delayed today. Meeting w/#Giants Friday + this--> MT @TBTimes_Sports Bucs reach out to George Selvie. http://tbtim.es/fmm
RE: Marc Ross crapping on Selvie during 2010 draft  
Reb8thVA : 3/19/2015 7:43 pm : link
In comment 12192921 Matt in SGS said:
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Q: How much did (George) Selvie, on the other side, how much did that benefit him?

A: We will talk about Selvie later. This kid is a great player. Selvie --- not much; not much. This kid helped Selvie.

Q: Then how do you know he won't - two years ago people were talking about Selvie kind of how there were talking about Jason PP now. How do you know he is not going to be another Selvie?

A: They are totally different players; totally different skill set; totally different athletic ability. The media was talking about Selvie - the guy had a tremendous sophomore year. He had 15 sacks or so. But his production has gone down and that is where you evaluate their skill set; their athletic ability; the height, weight, speed, the quickness, the strength, those things.



On the whole, Ross wasn't wrong. Selvie wasn't and isn't a great player, not in the class that JPP was. However, Selvie has proven to be a solid if unspectacular NFL player, which is more than Ross seemed to be giving him credit for coming out of college. http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/4/23/1438781/marc-ross-director-of-scouting-04 - ( New Window )


Give Ross' track record I don't invest too much value in his opinion one way. Or the other
Agent: Bucs reach out to former USF DE George Selvie  
sphinx : 3/19/2015 9:10 pm : link
The Bucs, searching for free-agent help at defensive end, have reached out to former USF All-American George Selvie, according to his agent, Deryk Gilmore.

Selvie, 28, had 10 sacks and 29 starts in the last two seasons with the Cowboys, who just signed former Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy. Selvie is reportedly visiting the Giants today, and it's not known whether the Bucs are lined up for a visit should he not sign with New York.


If the Giants want him, they may have to keep him out of Tampa.
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bargain box pickup..  
prdave73 : 3/19/2015 9:33 pm : link
awesome..
Posted this in the other Selvie thread but thought I'd add it here too  
GmanND : 3/19/2015 10:10 pm : link
Found this on a Cowboys message board.

A guy started a thread updating Cowboys fans on Selvie and Spencer:

"I was on plane with Selvie earlier today. He is signing with Giants he was headed over for physical and to sign. Also said Spencer is in Seattle and doubts he is coming back. Said we were in good hands with Hardy and Mincey and Lawrence and that we would grab another DE in draft. By the way what a helluva nice guy. Total class act and gentleman for the short time we spoke and also with other passengers on plane."




Hard to believe  
RetroJint : 3/19/2015 10:38 pm : link
but going into his last season at USF, the player evrrybody was talking about was Selvie. He tanked. To his credit, he stayed with it, and is now a respectable player. The Giants have JPP, Ayers, Moore & Wynn. One more for competition in camp won't hurt.
RE: Hard to believe  
blueblood : 3/19/2015 10:42 pm : link
In comment 12193903 RetroJint said:
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but going into his last season at USF, the player evrrybody was talking about was Selvie. He tanked. To his credit, he stayed with it, and is now a respectable player. The Giants have JPP, Ayers, Moore & Wynn. One more for competition in camp won't hurt.


I just look at him as a replacement for Kiwi...
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