What's Ruben Randle's trade value?

They need him

In comment 12193486 old man said:

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Had he shown more in 13 and pre OBJ in 14 he would not even be trade bait for the team, or at least for BBI.

I'd bet my next 6 months salary that not a GM in the league trades a 3rd rounder for Rueben Randle straight up. And I like Randle, think he's still only scratching the surface, but in terms of trading you're really overvaluing him.

Say he wasn't on the Giants and Victor wasn't going to be ready for the start of the year. So you have
OBJ
Parker
Harris
Ogletree
Washington

as your WR's

Another team has Randle on the trading block, what would you pay??

you are NEVER too deep at WR.

I think drafting Cooper creates a matchup nightmare for defenses and it ensures that Cruz will not have push himself too hard in the early goings and is a great insurance policy if Beckham's hamstring acts up at all.

Kenny Stills just went for a 3rd + plus a bad contract, so you have to figure you get less than that for Randle. Stills is under contract for 1 season longer than Randle which makes him more valuable in a trade.

A team could just take their own Randle in the draft

Maybe a 5 if someone is feeling generous

He barely has any trade value.

A 5th or 6th would be my guess.

Than any player that could be had in the 2nd or 3rd round. Still young and talented, But we cannot get that in return.

In comment 12193588 Geeman said:

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Than any player that could be had in the 2nd or 3rd round. Still young and talented, But we cannot get that in return.

But exactly what has he proven? And you only get him for a year before you have to either let him go or pay him big bucks. A 2nd or 3rd round pick may not have proven that they don't suck, but unlike Randle, they also haven't proven that they are no better than average-at-best. That second or third round pick has a much higher upside than Randle.

We will not know by draft day how deep we are at WR, since Cruz's rehab will not have gotten that far.

Randle is about average for a 2nd round WR. But you only get him for 1 year in a trade, so unless he signs cheep, he is worth less. Also, every GM in the league assumes he picks better than average, so you always get less in draft picks than the player is worth. My guess is a 4th.

Until Cruz actually plays in another game, Randle is going nowhere even if Cooper was drafted. It would be more likely to move on from Cruz than Randle due to health and salary after 2015

who is a speed-burner as insurance for Cruz. 4th or 5th round though. Not sure if Dwayne Harris can play the slot or not.

And he's getting better.

unload dollars and have someone for Drew to throw the ball too. O-line would be nice.

if anyone really wants him.

trade a player you dont have to trade at all..

and you could get a 2nd back. Maybe.

Why everyone hates on Randle he has steadily improved every year he's been in the league. I know he gets lost sometimes, but he's still young and had 71 catches and almost 1000 yards last year. Only here would people be clamoring to trade him.

of who they draft, it isn't happening.

he can be at least a 3rd WR in this league, and very possibly more. He is still quite young.

I think if I were trading for him I would give up a 4th or maybe a late 3rd, depending on how desperate I was.

The only reason he's not worth more is that is approaching FA.

People should go look at third round WR's and see the percentage of them that never have as much production as Randle already has. If he was under contract for 4-5 years he'd be worth at least a high second rounder.

so your better off keeping him

A 5th and the Fish got a 7th back. Marshall a 5th

He's not worth trading. Especially before the draft and even after as no one knows how Cruz will do.

Just a strange thought IMO

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First off, he's a FA after next season. Secondly, while he came on late, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire. Mike Wallace at least had some strong seasons in Pittsburgh.

I just hope that the light finally went on for him last season. If he can carry that play over into '15, our offense just got significantly better.

and get a comp pick

the Giants go LOS in the first three rounds....

Randle is cheap, knows the system, and hopefully, unlike recent players, plays lights out in a contract year....

I'm not sold on Cruz....in fact, I think, unless he shows real progress on his own, that he maybe should be PUP'd to start the season....

Not too many teams that would trade for a #3 receiver...

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You'd almost rather him just suck than to tease you the way he does. He's got a ton of talent though. He makes great catches one minute, and then runs a wrong route (INT) or slams the ball down untouched in frustration (Fumble).

and possibly a 2nd round pick. He can certainly be a #2 WR if he continues to improve. He's not as bad as he was in 2013 & back. He is slowly becoming more reliable.

71 catches for 938 yards last year is no fluke.

were 6th round picks in trade even given randle is younger the best they get for him is a 5th but more realistically to be a 6th he is worth more to the team than a 5th or 6th round pick would be

and a 4th round pick if some team was dumb enough to give up a 2nd round pick in return. You hear me out there, Cleveland Browns? I'd also like to trade back about 6 spots in the 1st round if it brings an extra 3rd or 4th round pick in return.

With the 15th pick in 1st, there would still be a very good G/OT or possibly the S, Collins from Bama.
If the Giants go the latter route, they can pick the best OG available with their first 2nd rounder (#40). They could pick best available WR or ILB with the second 2nd rounder (43).

I know it's highly unlikely that this scenario plays out, but it would help the Giants get some young talent. There are still too many positions where an upgrade is needed.

Remember Amani Toomer was also a 2nd rounder who showed even less than Randle his first 3 years and then turned out to be one of our better Giant receivers of all time.

Will RR do the same? who knows. He is in a much better system (for him) than KGs and is still very young.

about AT's young career, it's that he showed promise as a rookie running back punts. Looked even better in year two before getting injured early in the season. Perhaps had some good things planned for him that year. It wasn't until his third year, after coming back from the knee injury, that he really blossomed. We could argue that he would have shown the same improvement in year two had he not gotten hurt. He was already showing signs that he had the goods while returning punts.

This are things I haven't seen in Reuben Randal. I'd be making some calls to gauge interest, at least. I don't think he's getting a second contract with the Giants.

him. It's not like this team can stay healthy so we need as many bodies. This is RRs contract year. I'd let him play it out and evaluate from there.

6 catches for 158 vs. Eagles
7 catches for 112 vs. San Fran

Randle gets made out to be a barely functional player, but it's not like he's never done anything of value or anything worth believing he can play in the league.

In comment 12194259 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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6 catches for 158 vs. Eagles 7 catches for 112 vs. San Fran Randle gets made out to be a barely functional player, but it's not like he's never done anything of value or anything worth believing he can play in the league.

Not barely functional, barely reliable. One day it could be like the shit above or another day, previous system, INT most likely will result when a pass is thrown in his direction. Now the guy got benched for team rules. I am just hoping he doesn't follow Nicks contract year.

RRs tenure here is marked by inconsistency.

In comment 12193489 Rflairr said:

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They need him

^^^
This. Thanks for pointing out the obvious for some of these folks.

In comment 12193521 mac attack said:

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you are NEVER too deep at WR. I think drafting Cooper creates a matchup nightmare for defenses and it ensures that Cruz will not have push himself too hard in the early goings and is a great insurance policy if Beckham's hamstring acts up at all.

Yes, and one thing you can count on moving forward are the increase in points scored to win games. Vertical game does that and how many times have seen ourselves down 14 points with no hope of catching up with our running game.

Randle. A 6th rounder? He's not a bad player and has gotten better the last 2 seasons. He's fetch more than a 6th from a team that was desperate for WR help i'd think.

It doesn't matter though. The Giants have no reason to trade their 2nd WR.

In comment 12193481 PaulN said:

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Is ready for a breakout season, he really improved at the end of the season when Beckham was getting so much attention. I think that continues, if the Giants don't add a wideout in round 1, look for Randle to go 80-90 rec/1200-1300 yards Then his stock is way up, now is not the time to trade him. If we do add a wideout, we still need to see how Cruz mends, but if we did add a Cooper or Parker, then those stats go down a bit.

Agreed..your numbers may be a little high, with that said I can see a lot of 'BIG " plays coming his way this year. They also have no idea what is going to happen w/Cruz.

In comment 12194509 djm said:

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Randle. A 6th rounder? He's not a bad player and has gotten better the last 2 seasons. He's fetch more than a 6th from a team that was desperate for WR help i'd think. It doesn't matter though. The Giants have no reason to trade their 2nd WR.

It's not that Randle is bad, but more that trades don't bring back great return for draft picks. Look at what Brandon Marshall went for (I know he had a big contract), or Percy Harvin.

Randle wouldn't really net more than a 6th, maybe a 5th if they're lucky. His value to the Giants is far higher.

...but the late for meetings makes him a fifth and the contract makes him a sixth at best. Similar annual numbers to Stills. Don't compare to Marshall who was a cap ditch. We need this guy right now. He is a good 3rd receiver in this league.

You pretty much know what his floor is at this point (a weak #2/solid #3 WR) and he still has some ceiling above him being so young (he's still younger than a few draft prospects). He only has one year left on his deal, so there's a downside with the economics.

All that considered, if you're another GM, especially for a team in contrntion looking for an immediate contributor with some upside, you'd probably be willing to talk trade for him after the top 7 or 8 WRs are off the board (likely around round 3).

That said, I don't think he's worth trading unless we draft a WR early and get a mid-high 3 in return.

OBJ took more of the focus. IMO opinion this means he is a #3 WR of so, someone who can't be "the guy". There are a lo tof these around the NFL today.

a 5th, otherwise 6th

they need Randle. I'd extend him now on the cheap before trading him.

IMO Giants have to enter 2015 assuming Cruz is not part of any threesome. The odds of Cruz ever returning to be 100% of what he has been are overwhelmingly against.

That leaves Beckham, Randle and ?

Add a WR as the 9th pick of this draft and Randle is the biggest recipient. He would end up having a great, great year because defenses would be forced to essentially ignore him.

On the other hand, don't draft a WR and instead go with Beckham and Randle as the #1 and #2 receivers and the 3rd being less than what Randle is now - and the Giants passing game suddenly becomes much easier to cover (and in that scenario Randle returns to being a so-so receiver - in other words he just isn't talented enough to beat solid coverage - he needs to be playing against the 3rd and 4th defenders).

In comment 12196334 baadbill said:

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IMO Giants have to enter 2015 assuming Cruz is not part of any threesome. The odds of Cruz ever returning to be 100% of what he has been are overwhelmingly against. That leaves Beckham, Randle and ? Add a WR as the 9th pick of this draft and Randle is the biggest recipient. He would end up having a great, great year because defenses would be forced to essentially ignore him. On the other hand, don't draft a WR and instead go with Beckham and Randle as the #1 and #2 receivers and the 3rd being less than what Randle is now - and the Giants passing game suddenly becomes much easier to cover (and in that scenario Randle returns to being a so-so receiver - in other words he just isn't talented enough to beat solid coverage - he needs to be playing against the 3rd and 4th defenders).

+1....bring us one of Cooper/White or Parker. All 3 are going to be excellent pro's and likely elevate the Giants to an elite passing offense. Come back with a plug and play OL at 40.