Forget about your own opinions on the prospects. Pretend you don't even know their names or how much they weigh or how fast they are or what they accomplished in college. Now ask yourself this question: At what position would you like the Giants to draft as their BPA? Would you rather hear that they drafted an OL because he was their BPA, would you rather it was a DE who was their BPA? A WR? A QB?
For me the answer is OL with DE a very close second.
I was so pumped when we drafted Kenny Phillips. Having a serious thread in the defensive secondary is so awesome. Picks to the house and kill shots - is that too much to ask for?
This, unequivocally
I think another top wr takes the opposing safeties back 5 to 10 yards and the lb three to five.
With Vereen and Jennings and a TE that's a dangerous team even before we consider overwhelming the 3rd CB.
I'd add 3 wins on the upside with a true true NFL ready Wr...even with Eli throwing within 3 seconds. Our particular QB is good at his reads...He could kill.
On the reasonable downside I am sorry there is a greater than 50% chance that Cruz is a year or more away from the explosive cuts he needed to make. There is a data pattern that says Randle is as average as he has been and leaves anyway in one year.
A risk adjusted year says that 2 Wr on the roster misses four to six games...while Cruz is not at full strength and Randle is the average of three years and leaves next year.
In sum the downside of not drafting a Wr is 1 to 2 games lost next year and the need to replace Randle and Cruz the following Year. ..A tragedy for Eli in his reasonable ending prime.
No OL not named Ogden has that effect. And there is not an Ogden available in 2015. No single defensive player available in 2015 given all needed in 2015 ( maybe different in 2016 or 2017) makes a 3 to 4 game swing.
In addition 2 cost controlled wr saves 10 to 12M of cap space for three years...money available for 2 defensive players on a squad 4 to 5 players short of a defense that can swing 2 to 4 games in 2015.
Lastly no available player at an other position in 2015 can make a playoff game or two possibility given the composition of this squad .
In 2011 there was slightly more talent and three wr got us to a SB. Not two....three.
To me it's a 2 to three year talent gap and only a Wr BPA tilts the field in 2015 the most and frees up the most talent acquisition potential for 3 more years.
Imho
Get a guy who's nothing better than a solid starter from the 9th overall pick, and I'll be unhappy.
If you're asking at which position I'd most like to have a Hall of Famer: Again, it doesn't matter. The only position where the Giants are "set" is quarterback.
If you're asking at which position I'd like to have a solid starter whom we fans will bitch about for years because two dozen better players were drafted later: Guard.
I think I agree with your logic. Sometimes building a roster isn't so much about spreading the wealth evenly, it is about having one or two monstrous strengths. With Beckham, Cooper (say), Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Vereen and Jennings we have some serious passing options and Eli in year two of the system. We ought to be able to move the ball through the air on anyone.
If the OL can pick up its play a notch and Jennings/Williams can improve a little we ought to have a fine offense. Then the question is how much of the defensive ineptitude was Fewell...
FA is not done so it will be interesting if they address defensive depth in fa this year, offensive impact this year early and defensive impact next year.
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Yes, but you'd be ecstatic with a clone of Lawrence Taylor or Jonathan Ogden, too, wouldn't you?
Yes, indeed. I want an impact player. But I think that the greatest impact to wins/losses would be an IMPACT WR. ONE impact player on defense won't make the defense dominant. But it will do that for the offense. Another Beckham at WR and the Giants offense could be the greatest offense not only in Giants history but rival the Lynn Swann Steelers and Jerry Rice 49ers.
As for the other side of the ball... In Spags we trust, I guess.
Cooper or White teamed with Beckham will make the offense unstoppable. As Eli goes, so goes the O. Give him as many weapons as possible and he wins games.
The D will be improved too by adding a stud WR, just like Dallas D was this year even though they didn't seem to have a lot of talent there when the season started.
If you look at it on paper, the Giants D already has more talent than Dallas. Give them time to rest in games and they will be fine.
I think Spags was the one BPA who may he worth 1 game:
Fewell played scared. And especially went into a shell when there was even one injury. Secondly he played scheme and scheme in too many situations.
The consequence in tone was that each weeks coaching and game reviews and previews were about flaws the players made in playing his scheme.
Spags coaches how to attack this next offense. And he teaches accountability to each other...not to a scheme. That flexibility sets up creativity and ideas from the players and to me sets up a all of us against all of those sob's mindset that I think wins a game sometime during the season and certainly develops a stubbornness that mitigates collapse.
If the Giants do not strengthen enough during FA and the draft I would rather creative ways to overcome the shortfalls be in Spags hands than Fewell.
Hence back to Wr. I think we picked up a game on defense. Now let's let them sit longer with the offense on the field. ..and maybe we get one more defensive stop in one more late drive for a win...even with lesser players.
It's all about risk reward and to me I'd gamble a better offense closer to truly difficult for any defense helps the defense in the hands of an attack mindset DC.
Just imho
While bringing in a player or two is nice, better coaching and system raises the ENTIRE defense (all 11 players) to a new level.
No other defensive position will have as much if an impact. Unfortunately I dont see the impact DE that will be available @ 9..
If the Giants go WR, the best you can hope for is a #2 receiver b/c they already have a #1. If one of the tackles goes down there is nobody and the team will likely be picking in the top 10 again next year. What then? Draft another receiver? When does it end?
A very good WR would help the run game because if the defenders wanted to stop the run and bring guys close to the box, Eli would rip them a new asshole.
So, a good extra WR not only helps the passing game but the running game too.
"Cover Beckham and White! Let them beat you with Randle."
If the Giants go WR, the best you can hope for is a #2 receiver b/c they already have a #1. If one of the tackles goes down there is nobody and the team will likely be picking in the top 10 again next year. What then? Draft another receiver? When does it end?
100% agree
if Brandon Schreff is there and Kevin white is available, im taking Schreff. You need a line to protect Eli.
but I forgot because OBJ was the best rookie WR of all time... we need to believe if we draft another we will automatically have 2 OBJs... and then nobody can stop us! nobody I tell you!
oh and then we can take OL in round 2.... and add no top end talent to the defense... which needs a LOT of young talent to improve.
I think another top wr takes the opposing safeties back 5 to 10 yards and the lb three to five.
With Vereen and Jennings and a TE that's a dangerous team even before we consider overwhelming the 3rd CB.
I'd add 3 wins on the upside with a true true NFL ready Wr...even with Eli throwing within 3 seconds. Our particular QB is good at his reads...He could kill.
On the reasonable downside I am sorry there is a greater than 50% chance that Cruz is a year or more away from the explosive cuts he needed to make. There is a data pattern that says Randle is as average as he has been and leaves anyway in one year.
A risk adjusted year says that 2 Wr on the roster misses four to six games...while Cruz is not at full strength and Randle is the average of three years and leaves next year.
In sum the downside of not drafting a Wr is 1 to 2 games lost next year and the need to replace Randle and Cruz the following Year. ..A tragedy for Eli in his reasonable ending prime.
No OL not named Ogden has that effect. And there is not an Ogden available in 2015. No single defensive player available in 2015 given all needed in 2015 ( maybe different in 2016 or 2017) makes a 3 to 4 game swing.
In addition 2 cost controlled wr saves 10 to 12M of cap space for three years...money available for 2 defensive players on a squad 4 to 5 players short of a defense that can swing 2 to 4 games in 2015.
Lastly no available player at an other position in 2015 can make a playoff game or two possibility given the composition of this squad .
In 2011 there was slightly more talent and three wr got us to a SB. Not two....three.
To me it's a 2 to three year talent gap and only a Wr BPA tilts the field in 2015 the most and frees up the most talent acquisition potential for 3 more years.
Imho
Well said. Agree 100%
Let's discuss these BPAs:
Chuck Bednarik was a 12 time all Pro at MLB and center. Intercepted 20 passes back when people did not pass...Played full time both positions and could give us some toughness and bring an edge to the defense....just ask Frank Gifford.
Lastly Chuck could save 6M under the cap all by himself.
Or Gino Capelleti who played OT and was a great place kicker allowing us to carry an extra CB and keep under the cap.
or Red Grange who was a HOF Running back that could give us an offensive dimension few could while also playing what he considered his best position...CB. saves us $10M on the cap. RED could also pass very well from the RB position. Maybe McAdoo could be creative with a player like Red?
Finally what if BPA available was Jim Thorpe?
Jim played both ways in every game. Was rarely injured. Played every single position. Played every snap at whatever position the team most needed. Needs no money at all for he would make more than Payton from advertising just as a two time Decathlon winner who at one time had six diffe rent World Records. True story.
Even Sy56 would give him a 100 grade. ..A BPA for the ages.
But crap our luck...not available in 2015.
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The OL stinks. A solid talent is guaranteed to start on this OL.
If the Giants go WR, the best you can hope for is a #2 receiver b/c they already have a #1. If one of the tackles goes down there is nobody and the team will likely be picking in the top 10 again next year. What then? Draft another receiver? When does it end?
100% agree
if Brandon Schreff is there and Kevin white is available, im taking Schreff. You need a line to protect Eli.
I know it may be hard to fathom but you can get a darn good lineman especially an OG in most drafts in the top half of round 2. Snee for instance was picked 43rd. This draft is so deep at OL we could likely get either a quality tackle or a guard if we wish.
Played football for $250 per game. That would I sure we could get guys like Suh and Revis every year and end half of all BBI threads as Jerry would be a HOF GM on the first ballot.
Now thats a real BPA.
forgot to mention, we do not know what Cruz 2.0 will look like or perform.