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"Eli can't throw laying on his back"

NYBEN1963 : 3/20/2015 10:23 am

How many times have we seen/heard Giants fans say this over the last few weeks? While it is true no QB can throw from his back but how much was Eli really on his back last season? in 637 dropbacks Giant QB's were sack only 30 times or (if my math is correct)once every 21 dropbacks. By comparison the "best O-line in the NFL" down in Dallas allowed 30 sacks in 497 dropbacks,once every 16 dropbacks.
I've heard some fans say the Giants need 2-3 new starters on the O-line. This was the 10th ranked offense with a totally new scheme, I expect these guys to get better as they continue to get acclimated to the offense and better knowing their jobs.Do they need to get better at run blocking ? Yes they do ..but I think Flaherty is part of that problem as well.
I'm not saying this O-line is great but they are 1 dominate LG away from being right there among the best. I still wish we would have tried to get Franklin or Iupati but I think this is a really good PASS PROTECTING offensive line and Eli should continue to put up big numbers in this offense.Beatty,?, Richburg, Schwartz, Pugh....who is the LG?

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I don't but that

Headhunter : 3/20/2015 8:43 pm : link

for 1 second.

Some of BBI

Bob Snow : 3/20/2015 10:19 pm : link

Acts like Eli is getting wrecked out there, we have an average offensive line unit.

Eli put up decent numbers and we had a crazy amount of injuries. Offensive lines get better the longer they play together so they should be an improved unit.

Average offensive line?

raever : 3/21/2015 1:16 am : link

How is having the third worst yards per carry comparable to an average offensive line? We ran for 3.6 yards a pop. That's just awful.

I watched every offensive snap of every game and I didn't see a comfortable Eli Manning back there. The new system helped by getting the ball out faster than at any time in his career. He was still getting banged around and pushed off his spot regularly.

The pass blocking was better than the run blocking but how could it have been any worse?

O-Line push on running plays is about the same

Jimmy Googs : 3/21/2015 6:22 am : link

as it is on passing plays.

Odell was a great pick, but we need another Guard and Tackle that can create some leverage and space for the RBs...

The Gmen need to do it backwards

hotrod48 : 3/21/2015 5:13 pm : link

With the talent on the roster now, we need to establish the pass in order to run effectively. Spreading the defense and playing with only 6 or 7 in the box makes life a lot easier. We have to find out if the RB`s we have are elusive enough to thrive in this environment. They must be able to make 1 or 2 people miss and they should be ok. A good coordinator calls plays to the strength of the team. Prior to last season, I feel that our OC was trying to fit the players into his scheme not the scheme to his players ability. Just saying.

RE: Some of BBI

Coach Mason : 3/21/2015 5:21 pm : link

In comment 12195582 Bob Snow said:

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On point. If I had to guess since Giants for the most part don't have the flashy big mauler types on the line like Dallas some are really under-estimating this group.

This line has a good chance to be significantly better than the 2011 bunch with some health and more time to gel in year 2 of MacAdoo's offense.

We have a bit of Cowboy envy

Headhunter : 3/21/2015 5:50 pm : link

and they do have a great line,but let's not make their line out to be more than it is. All Pro Tyron Smith gets beaten by JPP from time to time. It is not the end all be all.The Giants line is mediocre, but Tyron Smith would get ripped here for allowing JPP to beat him

Armchair GMs missing the picture

give66 : 3/21/2015 6:17 pm : link

All you guys deciding whether to pick for need or the best player available are not asking the right question. Let's say a OG and WR are available at number nine with comparable talent ranking. Now you have to figure in what the average salary of that position player is in the league. Remember rookie contracts save teams millions of dollars. So now if you can get a probowl guard for 6 million a year in free agency, why pick one at number 9 when you can get a probowl receiver who commands 12 million per year on the cheap with a rookie contract. So many more pieces to this puzzle than who is the best player or best fit.

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