The Giants drafts under reese 2007-2014
14- WR,OL,DT
13- OL,DT,DE
12- RB,WR,DB
11- DB,DT,WR
10- DE,DT,DB
09- WR,DE,OL
08- DB,DB,WR
07- DB,WR,DT
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Round 1 (Foundation Picks)
DB-3
WR-2
OL-1
RB-1
DL-1
(Note)
Playmaker vs Trenches 7 -1 as I view JPP a Playmaker.
My Point is that they will take Gregory, Ray, or Beasley over a Scherff.
Pass Rusher/Playmaker over Offensive line.
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Rounds 1-3 (Premium picks)
DL-8
WR-7
DB-6
OL-3*
RB-1
TE-1
(Note)
It is clear they spend most or our premium picks on DL WR and DB
In 2009 we had 5 premium picks, Travis Beckham was the single TE drafted
in these rounds and was taken 100 overall just making the cut.
The sole RB taken was wilson and he falls under the PLAYMAKER category.
*The only current drafted starters on our offensive line were used with these 3 premium picks at the position. (Beatty, Richburg, Pugh)
Rounds 1-3 are more so predicated by finance (WR,DB,DL)
These are all positions that cash in big during free agency.
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Rounds 4-7 (Depth/Development picks)
LB-8
DB-7
OL-6
RB-5
QB-3
TE-2
DL-2
P/K-1
WR-0!!!!
(Note)
We don't put much value in linebacker!!
No WR taken and only two DT taken in 8 years, 2 picks out of 34
because WR + DT are premium positions to the giants unlike LB and TE
Giants value the WR position to the utmost. which is good for us because
it seems to be the only position they can constantly hit on :)
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My overall thoughts…
I posted this because I believe it is very telling, Reese can say whatever
he likes but the writing is on the wall.
Rounds 4-7 are our LB/RB/OL rounds so for all of you LB hungry BBI’ers
I don’t see it happening in round 1. If they do take a Vic Beasley I believe it will be to rush the passer at DE. This front office is not taking an OLB inside the top 10 of an NFL draft... not in our wildest dreams.
I think its clear that they will go pass rusher or wide receiver at 9, as there is no DB worthy of the selection.
I would personally like to take one of the top two WRs, Fowler, or Gregory if they somehow fell. ODB and Cooper would be great for the cap the next few years.
Bottom Line…
Reese is going to grab a playmaker @ 9 and offensive line will come in round 2 or 3. I think they need a big time pass rusher ninth overall to help the defense similar to how ODB's impact helped our offense.
Thanks guys, I am interested to see what the rest of BBI thinks!
WR-7
DB-6
OL-3*
RB-1
TE-1
70% of these picks are WR, DL, DB. And I think the closer to the top of the draft the more likely it goes to these spots. I think all three of this year's picks will be from these positions. (OG yet to come in FA)
For example:
QB
OL
DE
CB
WR
We have a QB so that's out. OL, DE. CB, and WR. I think the sleeper is that CB. Now it depends on where Ross and Reese rank him. But If they have him and he strikes a balance between need and value, then he could be the pick.
If we discount the 1 CB, that leaves you with OL, DE and WR. I don't think we would draft a DT, like Shelton early. I think we value that position as an area we can get anything in the draft.
However, I would not put too much credence in the past trends for the following reasons;
Statistical trends vary based upon the years that are studied. For example if you only looked at years 2013 and 2014 they would be completely different when compared to 2007 and 2008, and you would come to a different conclusion. For example 2013 and 2014 were drafts that would have been considered outliers focusing on the offensive line and defensive lines.
Drafting has variables each year that impact the selections. Team need, quality of players at each position, depth of the draft, etc.
Do not underestimate the input of the coaches and the scouts. The coaching staff has changed as has the scouts. Reese relies on the scout’s data to create his board and his selections attempt to satisfy the criteria negotiated with the coaches.
However, the most significant reason that I would not rely on past trends is because the drafting for the most part has not been successful. The Giants have acknowledged that their drafting has been poor and had to improve. The last two years have been better and reflect a change in both the type of players drafted and the positions selected. If you want to understand potential trends study the differences between the 2011, 2012 drafts with 2013 and 2014.
I believe that the Giants will draft the best player available on their board. If there are a group of players with similar grades there will be a heated discussion amongst the coaches, scouts, management, and then Reese will make the selection.
I think that ODB jr. was selected because he was the highest rated player on the Giants board not because he was a WR.
I would think that, in the first round, everyone would have already agreed on the ranking of the top 10 players, even if it's a very close call. It's Reese's job to have hashed it out ahead of time. The only complication would be if someone wanted to trade.
My point is that I think they are going BPA but more importantly a true difference maker. Edge rushers are rare and expensive, that is why I think we take one @ 9 unless cooper/white fall. There are a few offensive guards in FA they could still plug in if need be, the same can't be said for a legit pass rusher.
My point is that I think they are going BPA but more importantly a true difference maker. Edge rushers are rare and expensive, that is why I think we take one @ 9 unless cooper/white fall. There are a few offensive guards in FA they could still plug in if need be, the same can't be said for a legit pass rusher.
The other rarity in FA and tough to fill premium position is LT. So a lineman with elite LT potential gets put up there right with a playmaker. Who is that guy this year that fits the Giants preferred prototype for the LT position? TJ Clemmings
I thought there was too much projection to take him top 10 but a poster on here is claiming he has heard it might be a possibility.
Both qbs will go, technically we are looking at a top 7 player. I think this draft is rare because I can't remember a draft in which an OT wasn't projected top 5 let alone top 10.
I do agree with you on the LT stance, Reese and Coughlin have both mentioned kicking Pugh inside if we find a tackle. I just haven't seen one projected to go top 10. I would be happy if Reese thought we could grab a 10 year LT.
I do not believe Beasley will get serious consideration if we do not believe that he can play well as a traditional OLB on early downs.
Kiwi was never the athlete that Beasley is. Do not consider him as the model for hybrids (he should never have been a hybrid but should have remained a DE).
Love Parker and he compiled those half season video game numbers being the worst route runner of the top 3. My only concern is how much of the 'diva' gene does this kid have.
It runs rampant in the gifted wide-outs who think they are God's gift and don't work quite as hard at their craft b/c in college they are so much more talented than everyone else.
However if the Giants feel this kid will work on becoming a better route-runner, he has more upside than White and could be the best WR talent-wise this entire draft (sans DGB who I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole)
The only reason people are giving higher marks (like Mara) to last few years of drafts is that it hasn't yet been long enough to determine if players will stick. And even if so, they may only stick because their "developmental elders" are just that pathetic.