2 Super Bowls is the 1st thing that comes to my mind. However, when thinking about it, I'm most impressed with his durability. He's definitely proven he can play through pain and injury. He's cerebral and puts in the work including the off season. He's not a "leader" but is described by his team mates as someone who bonds with them usually as a practical joker.
He fits the Giants fan base as a perfect role model and well liked by management in that regard. A perfect face for any team. His press conferences like "most" QB's are something any of us could predict what's going to be said.
Peel back the rind and look at stats and it's not pretty. We have a pocket passer with little to no mobility. A propensity to throw I'll timed INT's and accuracy is questionable. He's in the bottom 1/4 of the league in terms of arm strength(ball velocity) and that contributes in my option to more INT's.
In a nutshell, everything you want from a PR perspective, but not what I'm looking for in a QB. Numbers don't lie!
Curious what I missed, and your thoughts?
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And I don't think that arm strength is overly important in the NFL....accuracy is much more important than velocity.
Not for nothing but sometimes arm strength is overrated and can get QB's in trouble. These guys make poor decisions thinking their arm strength can make up for bad decision making and it can't.
Example: look at some of the strongest arms in the league. Stafford, Cutler, Newton and Kaepernick can be loose cannons and take unnecessary risks at times thinking they can squeeze balls where they shouldn't be thrown.
My Ass.
He wasn't throwing to a spot like Brees and Brady did. Or just dumping it off like romo did. Look at his stats last year in a more QB friendly system.
And he didn't even have Beckham for the whole season.
Stats are misleading.
The question I posed was simple. Look at your responses and ask yourself why more people don't post.
Aside from 2 posts this was a complete waste of time.
i miss when trolls were good at what they did..you sir are an embarrassment to troll everywhere. ....lock hart would eat you alive
The question I posed was simple. Look at your responses and ask yourself why more people don't post.
Aside from 2 posts this was a complete waste of time.
Your arguments dont make sense.
1. His stats arent good? Is this fantasy football or something? And why do his stats suck? 4,400 yards? Over 30 TDs? Is that not good enough?
2. His rm strength? Seriously? He has a stronger arm than his brother, and I think his brother is doing just fine. Jeff George had a rocket of an arm, so did Vick. So does Cutler. How's that working for them?
3. He is immobile? Funny, the one thing he does credit from around the league is his mobility in the pocket, which is far more important than running the ball in a QB.
4. Does his off the chart IQ for a football player count for anything? Guess to you it doesnt.
What QB are looking for and want? Brady? Rodgers? Luck? Well sorry to disappoint you, but they arent a dime a dozen. And they have flaws as well. There's a reason why Eli has been starting for over 10 years in the NFL.
He is that damn good.
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Randle and that awful TE Reese brought in two years ago made Eli look like shit at times.
One thing Eli has that you did not mention is control of his emotions by not yelling at teammates on live TV or degrading them in press conferences.
CLASS HEART AND GUTS
That's Eli Manning.
Coming from the man who wants to trade Eli for the chance to draft Danny Shelton.
You dont believe Eli has a high football IQ? Seriously?
I think you should stick to fantasy football, and stop watching the Giants.
Go talk to teams like the Jets, Bills, Browns, Jags, Texans, Titans, Raiders, Chiefs, Redskins, Vikings, Bears, Bucs, Rams, 49ers, among others if they would take a QB who throws for over 4,000 yards and over 30 TDs and ask if that would be good enough for them?
2011 was Eli - look at his numbers, no running game and an ok defense...
Now in a new system he shows a better TD/Int ratio which will improve even more with a better Oline and receivers...let along a running game...
And he does all the right things making him a great leader and example.4
are we really having this conversation
For some on here is was like asking a simple question, "do you walk to school or ride the bus"? The response I got back was..."I wear brown shoes".
I like Eli as a QB a lot, but he slipped in 2012-2013 and only rebounded partly in 2014. He should do better this season, especially if the O-line settles in.
He can make every throw for an NFL QB -- but yes, he is occasionally wild. Arm strength isn't really his problem. He can be mind-blowingly accurate on most throws, but not always. I suspect some of his wildness is caused by injuries we never hear about. But it is what it is.
He is underrated as a field general because Peyton is probably the brainest QB ever; Eli suffers by comparison and isn't the sort of guy to put in his own offense, as Peyton does. But Eli is tremendous at spotting what a defense is doing.
He is also EXTREMELY composed and cool under pressure, which counts for a lot.
Everybody calls him "immobile." Not exactly. He's great (one of the best in the league) at sliding in the pocket and finding a passing lane. He's not a scrambler and isn't a threat to beat you with his legs. But that's not exactly the same as "immobile."
If when he was drafted, someone had told you he'd win 2 Super Bowls, we'd have all signed up for that. He's not responsible for the lousy drafting over the last five years. In a more QB-friendly system, his stats would look better.
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He's not an all time great? He will be top 10 in all passing categories, one of the greatest ironman streaks alive, 2 SB MVPs, multiple pro bowls, all the team records, etc...
What classifies an all time great? A guy like Peyton? Montana? Unitas? There hasnt been a single poster here who ever said he was better or anywhere near that tier.
But this player has a very good chance to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.... so yes, that would make him an all time great.
Tell me what QBs have LESS flaws than him. Ill start off with Brady, rodgers, and Peyton (even though his time may be coming to an end soon.)
This list wont be long at all.
GTFO with this weak ass shit. If you are going to criticize him, dont make shit up. Which the OP did. Posts like this show a complete lack of whats going on this site.
It's sad that there are fans like you. If you were paying attention, you'd see that Eli doesn't give a fuck about stats. All he cares about is winning. He's willing to throw a pass at the end of a half or game that gets picked when guys like Rodgers will eat it. Eli's not a team player? You're a fucking idiot.
His cap hit is huge and guys like Peyton and Brady are taking pay cuts.
How good is Eli? He's got the pelts and he's gonna finish with plenty of stats. He's gonna end up being judged as a beast and he should. He's definitely had some weird moments tho. The entire franchise has been weird and downright bizarre over a ten year spell. A true microcosm of the wacky NFL. He's an Aggresive QB who isn't afraid to throw ints and no moment is too big. Love that fucking guy. I'm glad he put 2013 behind him. Glad the entire offense did.
His cap hit is huge and guys like Peyton and Brady are taking pay cuts.
Brady didnt take a pay cut this has been proven, he would get his FULL cotnract if cut. And Peyton got more guaranteed money up front.
Now we are questioning if Eli is a team player? I am still waiting for people to tell me who has less flaws than Eli outside Peyton, Brady, rodgers.
19.8 million vs 14 million
That is 6 million we can put toward a productive player instead of being forced to resign someone like Stevie Brown.