2 Super Bowls is the 1st thing that comes to my mind. However, when thinking about it, I'm most impressed with his durability. He's definitely proven he can play through pain and injury. He's cerebral and puts in the work including the off season. He's not a "leader" but is described by his team mates as someone who bonds with them usually as a practical joker.
He fits the Giants fan base as a perfect role model and well liked by management in that regard. A perfect face for any team. His press conferences like "most" QB's are something any of us could predict what's going to be said.
Peel back the rind and look at stats and it's not pretty. We have a pocket passer with little to no mobility. A propensity to throw I'll timed INT's and accuracy is questionable. He's in the bottom 1/4 of the league in terms of arm strength(ball velocity) and that contributes in my option to more INT's.
In a nutshell, everything you want from a PR perspective, but not what I'm looking for in a QB. Numbers don't lie!
Curious what I missed, and your thoughts?
It's not fantasy football, and stats don't always tell the whole story. Wins and loses us what it's all about. Lately at 20 million a year we're not seeing it. Fair enough?
The only person you should be comparing him to at this point is Big Ben if that is your argument.
Ben just extended...
Eli's last two cap hits were for over 20 million. Wanna know why? The prior three years it was 9, 12, and 14 million.... he kept restructing his contract so we could sign players.
Fucking selfish prick.
Go back to your initial post, realize nothing you said made any fucking sense, then delete this thread. You have been proven wrong by about 12 posters so far.
The only person you should be comparing him to at this point is Big Ben if that is your argument.
Ben just extended...
What you fail to understand is you have no fucking clue as to what is going on with Eli's contract; right? Neither do I. His contract didn't have any influence on the signing of free agents. In other words, today, Eli's contract DOES NOT MATTER.
His cap hit is huge and guys like Peyton and Brady are taking pay cuts.
Peyton and brady weren't taking pay cuts in their early 30s and fuck this saint Brady shit. Off topic and its just my wacky angry brain but I still don't trust this Brady pats touchy feely contract shit. That's just me tho.. And even if it's on the up and up fuck Brady anyway.
I can't even tolerate this new sports fan culture of obsessing over the contracts. It's truly ruining sports for me. The contracts are fine it's the constant whining from fans that sucks. We get it everyone is over paid enough already. Stop watching sports if it bothers u.
I'd have no problem with that if Eli led us to the playoffs in any of those years. The only thing he led was the NFL in turnovers.
Interesting that none of them except JPP this year get paid close to anything what Eli makes.
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Eli is only one of 53 guys on the team, I think a lot of those players (throw in the coaches and executives) had more to do with not making the playoffs than Eli.
Interesting that none of them except JPP this year get paid close to anything what Eli makes.
Interesting that the QB position gets paid more than any other position in football, isnt it?
I agree, but its based on your definition of what an all-time great is. If you are saying he isnt in the class of his brother ,brady, montana, unitas.... then I agree 100%
Still waiting for you tell me how his 9 million cap hit in 2012 made him the highest against the cap.
And also how he restructured for 3 years to free up cap space makes him selfish.
Keeping using the word retarded, makes you look classy.
Eli has been playing ten years..
2 Superbowls.
2 Superbowl MVP's
39,755 yards passing on a team that actively tries to run a balanced offense. Not a pass first team.. will go over 40K this year.. and will easily hit 50K if he stays healty..
259 TD's which means he will eclipse 300 in at two years minimum...
So what he isnt Brady. Brees or Rodgers.. Big Whup...
Go back and visit the Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Dave Brown days a QB..
Appreciate what you've got..
Player GS W L T Pct
Russell Wilson 8 6 2 0 0.750
Eli Manning 11 8 3 0 0.727
Tom Brady 29 21 8 0 0.724
Joe Flacco 15 10 5 0 0.667
Ben Roethlisberger 15 10 5 0 0.667
Colin Kaepernick 6 4 2 0 0.667
Mark Sanchez 6 4 2 0 0.667
Drew Brees 11 6 5 0 0.545
Aaron Rodgers 11 6 5 0 0.545
Andrew Luck 6 3 3 0 0.500
Rex Grossman 4 2 2 0 0.500
Matt Schaub 2 1 1 0 0.500
T.J. Yates 2 1 1 0 0.500
Jay Cutler 2 1 1 0 0.500
Peyton Manning 24 11 13 0 0.458
Nuff fucking said.
You didnt answer...
what you wanted in a QB.
QB who have less flaws than him (outside the top 3)
And have been proven wrong about arm strength, mobility, and stats.
Kind of feel out of place in this useless thread?
I'm just talking QBs, starts and playoffs. His winning % in the playoffs is ridiculous. And if Gilbride doesn't have his head up his ass in that playoff game against Philly, Eli would have three SBs and this thread wouldn't even exist.
With all due respect...
Arent stats part of a team as well? Blocking, catching, YAC. Seems like you need more than 1player to accumulate stats.
Playing from behind also leads to INTs and low % percentage, does it not?
I never seen a poster be so more wrong on a thread in my life than you are here, and thats an accomplishment for the history of BBI.
Peyton.. One ring..
Brees.. One ring....
Rodgers.. One ring..
Rivers.. ZERO rings...
Ben.. Two rings...
Brady.. Four Rings.. Might have been SIX..
except for that Eli kid ruined the party..
SO Ill take that and enjoy the hell out of it..
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does it not have much to do with making the playoffs...I'm confused by your retarded double speak
Still waiting for you tell me how his 9 million cap hit in 2012 made him the highest against the cap.
And also how he restructured for 3 years to free up cap space makes him selfish.
Keeping using the word retarded, makes you look classy.
1. I never said that his 2012 number was highest. But 2013, 14, and 15 he was top 3 QB...I said that in another post.
2. I never called him selfish. I said he should extend. He did restructure...thanks Eli.
3. re·tard·ed
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very foolish or stupid.
"in retrospect, it was a totally retarded idea"
We're rooting for the same team here. Also, I posed the original question of how good is Eli? You were looking for me to answer when I posed a question?
Now, top 50% in 3 categories? Wadda got? Please don't bring up Super Bowls and TEAM wins. Again, we're on the same side here.
We're rooting for the same team here. Also, I posed the original question of how good is Eli? You were looking for me to answer when I posed a question?
Now, top 50% in 3 categories? Wadda got? Please don't bring up Super Bowls and TEAM wins. Again, we're on the same side here.
You said his arm strength is in the bottom 1/4th in the league
You said he has no mobility
Both are the furthest from the truth and completely false.
To answer your "stat" - Ill even just do top 10, not even top 16 to prove a point.
Passes completed - 6 times
Passing TDs - 8 times
Passing yards - 5 times
Passing attempts - 6 times
Go to bed.
Passing yards - 5 times
I proved what you said in the original post as wrong.
And then I provided stats that you wanted (where Eli finished in the top 50% in the NFL) where Eli finished top 10 (which is a lot higher than in the top 16 in which you wanted) in the NFL. Not hard stuff buddy. Try to keep up. I am making you look like a fool.
Only two guys that I am aware of. Visanthe Shiancoe and Martellus Bennett, just so you don't have to look it up. Tell me again how Eli is not a leader............
He's also bad enough to throw 4 or 5 picks in a game at any time.
There is your range...
I am 100% wrong with my stats huh? My rankings are wrong? I guess football reference is wrong as well.
The only thing I ruined is your ego because you looked like a complete idiot. Arm strength, mobility, and stats - you didnt get a single thing right. I told you to delete this garbage as soon as you posted it.
Banks58 looking like a moron - ( New Window )
He's also bad enough to throw 4 or 5 picks in a game at any time.
There is your range...
Hmm you could be describing Peyton, Brees, Rodgers just to name a few..