Ross out Cardinal hunting

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they're going to spend a top 10 pick on an OL, it makes sense to do so on a true LT.

LT is a premium position to be considered in the Top 10. Compared to recent 1st Round LT prospects how do you see him grading out? Robinson/Mathews/Lewan/Fisher/Joeckel?

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AND slide Beatty to RT and Pugh to G

A top ten player MUST be an impact guy, not just hold down a position. Not to diminish the Guard position but, uh.... I guess I'm diminishing the Guard position.

So as I see it, our pick has to be a future left tackle, a complementary Wide Receiver or a powerful and destructive threat as a Defensive End. This is # 9 for goodness sake.

Thanks Jon. You got me thinking straight.

The scouts were out to kill him, and he got through it.

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Ideal measurables and athletic ability.

I'd be okay with him despite thinking Collins was the better player in college.

although what about clemmings and d.j. humphries? both look like excellent LT prospects IMO

I just don't see it when it comes to him

if NYG gambled on Clemmings or Humphries at #9. Does not compute.

also, Stanford has more than one prospect in the 2015 draft. Heard Montgomery ran better and caught the ball.

have not checked this year

that would plug in and fit the NYG WR corps really well.

Guys that can start for you. That's one reason with OBJ in the fold I prefer to look elsewhere in the first two rounds.

That doesn't scream Top 10.

What about the LSU pro day? Did that occur yet? Definitely the consideration is Peat @ Stanford.

Guys: According to my sources Peat had a pretty good workout; showed plenty of agility and LT movement skills. But that has never really been the issue with Peat; nobody questions that he doesn't have top 5 physical skills; its just he was very inconsistent on tape this past season; he was utterly dominant at times; at other times (versus Utah for example) he looked lost at sea. Interesting if this all plays out the way it appears to be playing out. (And don't forget that neither Iowa nor LSU has had their pro days yet). Last yera it appears the Giants choice came down to the explosive WR (Beckham), the althletic, albeit somewhat inconsistent LT (Lewan) and the versatile, physical G/T (Martin). This yera the choice could again come down to the explosive wideout (Cooper/White), the athletic albeit inconsistent LT (Peat) or the versatile, physical G/T (Scherff/Collins).

....to ultra soft? Nice!

Does that translate to Shelton this time around? In your opinion is he out of the mix for the #9 pick?

On his radio show. Said it very matter of factly like it was a gurantee. Think he was just presenting his opinion based as fact but it's a pick I could see happening

blocker?

Guys: Peat can be a pretty good run blocker; plays a little high at times, but has a thick, powerful base and can really lock on, although he can be stiff trying to get to the second level. Where Peat has issues its that he is not a super athlete with 4.95 type speed and quickness; he's more a 5.15-5.20 type guy and he will struggle maintaining the edge when he loses focus and starts to reach and lunge rather than keep his feet moving. Is that coachable/correctable. Probably one of the things that Ross went west to check on. Re Shelton my simple answer is who knows. Issue with Shelton is that he really isn't much of a pass rusher and looks to be more a NT type or a 2-down run stuffer in a 4-3 which may be a tad rich for the 9th pick especially on a team that already has a DT that can rush the passer.

Stay at 9, I think Peat will be the pick, but I prefer Lael Collins, who can play at a position of need (LG) for a couple of years, then move to LT or RT.

In comment 12196052 JonC said:

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that would plug in and fit the NYG WR corps really well.

Is he more of a slot WR? The type to get it in his hands and let him go?

but and Its a big one, if we leave a much higher rated guy on the board to grab him, it will go down as a blown opportunity

...for all the interesting insights regarding Peat.

At this stage, any POA player the Giants are interested in (either side of the ball) is OK by me!!!

I often wonder (shudder) that if Lewan had been there would they have taken him over OBJ!

In all fairness Utah made most teams look lost at sea with their terrific defense line this year.

It concerns me that Peat needs "coaching up". The giants don't have a good track record of that with the OL.

since the start of these talks. Sure hope we snag him.

maybe, hopefully, the signing of Ellis gives the Giants a guy on the DL who can do what Shelton does

He falls way too often, and you'd think he was trying to land a position for the Yankees with the way he catches defender instead of punching them (whoch is part of the falling down issue).

Still, based purely on physical tools, he may be the best of the bunch.

Doesn't initiate and lets the defender come to him. Where is the will to dominate? It should show up on tape somewhere but I haven't found it.

prefer someone other than Peat, but certainly wouldn't hate the pick But I thought someone on BBI quoted a source that said the Giants weren't going to draft Peat. Peat's body doesn't look NFL ready right now, and as Colin said, he's too inconsistent. Didn't like his play against Utah or ND.

if he is there. Then resign Hankins and we are set on the DL for years. We missed the boat letting LJ go. Lets not do it again. MO.

have been touting this guy for a bit. However, he just doesn't seem to have the body type the Giants usually prefer at LT. They seem to like the leaner types with excellent lateral movement (usually reflected in great 3 cone) with long arms. See Tyron Smith,Nate Solder, Taylor Lewan (guys we were rumored to be interested in).

I would hope this is true b/c he looks to be the most polished LT versatile OL in this draft. A little inconsistent last year but great sophomore season when he just erased some real good pass rushers. You hope it is just a light bulb thing b/c the talent to be an elite LT is there.

Also do not be surprised if they were there scouting HENRY ANDERSON also. Mountain of a man who could play the Chris Canty DE/DT role in this defense. 15 TFL/8.5 sacks last season and some very good measurables.

have a LB that people have been talking about?

but playing in a run oriented offense, I'd be slightly worried about a player going from a conservative offense, to a much more pass oriented offense.

are related to conditioning (as I suspect) or if he's better suited to RT in the NFL.

Once he gets fatigued, he stops moving his feet and starts lunging, grabbing, and falling down. It should correctable if the feet and AA are there.

Montgomery can do it all, very physical, good size, fights for the ball in traffic, good YAC runner, and can return punts and kicks.

I'd be surprised if NYG went DT at #9. There should be better players at premium positions, and also cost-controlled under a snug cap. NYG tends to go a bit leaner spending on DTs unless a pass rusher is available as a finishing signing (eg, Canty).

Montgomery is on the Giants radar.

the feet are there. I'm not sure about the desire, but he's got feet.

A lack of desire could be the root of the "soft" play and label. He sure played his arse off and dominated versus a strong, physical defense in UCLA.

conditioning, which he should be ashamed of, one thing stood out for me. His hips are VERY stiff. He couldn't shift his hips more than about 30 degrees on the drill where you're moving backward sideways, flipping from one side to the other. Imo, that's likely why he gets beat a bunch in pass protection by some guys. He relies on his long reach and decent feet to hold the edge, and that's not enough sometimes, because he doesn't get to the angle he needs to stop speed rushers.

But if cooper is there he has to be the pick

much more than Malcolm brown and slightly more than even Shelton. Goldman is a rock against the run and offers good pass rush. Watch his Louisville tape, he absolutely dominates that game in every fashion. He can play the 1 or 3 technique and would be PERFECT working with Big Hank in there.

in FA indicates to me that there's a good chance they'll go that way early in the draft.