Who is your favorite DE at #9?

But he won't be there. Out of the ones you mentioned, I like Gregory the best. I would take him in a heartbeat

you don't have to pick a guy who I listed. Any reasonable option.

Mkuh Tradgeon Downsum

Dupree tape looked awful...saw very few impact players...so I'm praying that both these players are selected before the Giants pick...the pass rushers I like most @9 based on tape:

1) Beasley
2) Gregory
3) Ray

Like Beasley the most based on the fact that he look good in OLB drills and can play in space....I have questions about Gregory and Ray's ability to play in space...so picking them for DE only make them riskier picks...Think Gregory has the most upside...and long term potential.

but it sounds like the giants like odi. really powerful hands, long arms. runs the arc. old school 2-way DE. i bet we take him in round 2 if he's there

but I don't think he'll be there. I'd pass on Beasley because he's a 3-4 OLB, but would support the pick because of his talent. I just don't want to use day one or two picks on position switchers, or guys with character or injury concerns. But again, I don't think he'll be there either. That leaves Gregory and Ray, who I would also pass on for the same reason as Beasley. No interest in Dupree at #9. One guy no one is discussing is Armstead. I wouldn't take Armstead at #9, and I don't think Reese will either, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

If I had to choose from that group it would be Beasley and that's because I think he would be best of them at the Von Miller/Anthony Barr type 4-3 OLB.

I would much rather take an OL or WR which is where the strengths of this draft lie (not to mention RB which can be had later). I don't think DL is as big of a need but if we were to take a pass rusher I'd wait until later rounds and look south for players like Preston Smith, Trey Flowers, Danielle Hunter or Anthony Chickillo. In 4-5 years when these rookie contracts are up, I think they will have as much value or more as some of the players suggested to go in the top half of the first.

is absolutely these edge rushers....thats the point.....may not fit perfectly but biggest talents

the game is changing on defense. I think if you get a top flight pass rusher, you re-design your defense around him. I wouldn't just try to fit a square peg into a square hole here.

He produced at a high level against major competition. He passes the eye ball test when you watch him play. He backed all of that up coming into the combine at 246 lbs, and tearing it up.

I saw an interview with him on NFL Network and seems like a focused, smart, versatile player that loves the game.

I think he has the biggest chance of having the same impact on the D that OBJ had on the offense.

Fowler and Beasley. If either man is there at #9 I would take them before any prospect not named Williams or Cooper.

-Cosell thinks Gregory can play 4-3 DE but I have serious doubts his frame will carry enough weight without it being detrimental to his game.
-Dupree gets caught looking too often imo he reacts slowly to the play.
-Armstead is a lottery ticket you're drafting him on potential because he doesn't have the production to warrant the #9 pick.

imo, I don't see it that way. I openly admit I'm an amateur and this is more hobby than anything but I don't see that in this group. Among the players highly discussed in the draft community as 1st rounders I see a high probability of bust potential. I'd include Leonard Williams among that group as well. Again I like Beasley the most and the cleanest/safest out of the bunch. But among the rest of them you never heard/saw them take over a game. I can't remember a draft where so much is being relied upon potential and that goes for other positions too. It's almost like an NBA Draft full of freshman and Euro players. "Raw", "When he blossoms...", "The right coach once he gets to the pros..." has been used more this year than previous years I remember. But again I don't see that kind of potential. To me there are no Millers, Watts, Suhs, McCoys, Clowneys aka surefire defensive lineman among top prospects so with the 9th pick I'd look elsewhere.

Greg Hardy type would work....but who? Beasley

just can't get the 3-4 LB fit out of my head with the rest of them.

They pass the eyeball test to me. They look like NFL sack masters on tape - I think that some of the others will not have as much success in the pros as they did in college.

Based on build/fit for the 4-3, I like Dupree. He also happens to have insane measurables (although I didn't focus on that in my evaluation).

In comment 12196227 Eric from BBI said:

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the game is changing on defense. I think if you get a top flight pass rusher, you re-design your defense around him. I wouldn't just try to fit a square peg into a square hole here.

Agreed. There seems to be a greater emphasis on favoring speed vs. size. But I'm not sure the Giants believe that is what is right for them, at least at the DE position. They still seem very interested in DEs who can play the run. Beasley has the best chance of being taken anyway, but I'd still be somewhat surprised if they took him. Even more so, if they took Gregory or Ray. Preston Smith in the second would be a more traditional Giants DE pick.

i just have the feeling that he's going to be special.

if he's not then Fowler. I think Gregory and Ray are purely 3-4 OLBs who wouldn't be able to play as 4-3 DEs

The Beasley. Don't think Fowler will last to us though.

I would take at 9 would be the kid from UCLA IF his hip checks out, which I doubt it does. Dupree would be my next choice, followed by Fowler. The rest Eric mentioned are strictly OLB in 3-4. But I would not take Dupree or Fowler at 9.

In comment 12196175 geelabee said:

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Dupree tape looked awful...saw very few impact players...so I'm praying that both these players are selected before the Giants pick...the pass rushers I like most @9 based on tape: 1) Beasley 2) Gregory 3) Ray Like Beasley the most based on the fact that he look good in OLB drills and can play in space....I have questions about Gregory and Ray's ability to play in space...so picking them for DE only make them riskier picks...Think Gregory has the most upside...and long term potential.

Think Gee nailed it. Love Beasley and think he is the most explosive of the 3 and has the best chance to drop back as a LB and fare well in space. Gregory also has played at 255 previously and apparently his frame can handle even a little more weight than that.

I also saw Gregory drop back in zone a couple times on film and not look too bad in those situations either. Not the same build as Beasley and won't turn his hips as fast, but he'd likely be worlds better than Kiwi was back there if Spags tried to utilize him that way.

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but it sounds like the giants like odi. really powerful hands, long arms. runs the arc. old school 2-way DE. i bet we take him in round 2 if he's there

Considering that Reese seems to ignore the medical round 2 and later this wouldn't be a surprise.

followed by Vic Beasley

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imo, I don't see it that way. I openly admit I'm an amateur and this is more hobby than anything but I don't see that in this group. Among the players highly discussed in the draft community as 1st rounders I see a high probability of bust potential. I'd include Leonard Williams among that group as well. Again I like Beasley the most and the cleanest/safest out of the bunch. But among the rest of them you never heard/saw them take over a game. I can't remember a draft where so much is being relied upon potential and that goes for other positions too. It's almost like an NBA Draft full of freshman and Euro players. "Raw", "When he blossoms...", "The right coach once he gets to the pros..." has been used more this year than previous years I remember. But again I don't see that kind of potential. To me there are no Millers, Watts, Suhs, McCoys, Clowneys aka surefire defensive lineman among top prospects so with the 9th pick I'd look elsewhere.

SJ, the wild-card here is scheme. Is Spags going to rely heavily on traditional 4-3 base or are we going to get some variation of that. OR- Do they feel one of those players can adequately play in space in coverage and/or zone with any sort of frequency?

Very tentative in all he does on the football field. Does not play close to his numbers.

If you take him you have to hope it was heavily scheme related and he was thinking too much.

@dpbrugler: There might not be a more beloved teammate in this draft class than #Florida DE/LB Dante Fowler. His coaches/teammates gush about him

@nfldraftscout: I think Dante Fowler is my favorite player in this class.

@dpbrugler: @AMKing00 Agree somewhat on Beasley, he's a menace in space, but will struggle vs. power. I like Gregory, but his limited build scares me

I think with Jacksonville, Atlanta, and Chicago all drafting pass rushers...the Giants may have to draft elsewhere...Dupree seems too much of a combine guy, watching the SEC he didn't seem that noticeable although I know he picked up some sacks.

if he makes it.

Then Gregory.

Then Beasley (if he can play 4-3 end)

Then Dupree.

Then Ray.

But it's not based on anything more than some youtube highlights that showed off his closing speed and relentlessness. Also, Cosell and Boylhart both rave about him and both think he can play DE in a 4-3; and they are two of the most respected draftniks in my book.

Are the only ones I like at this point
For the past couple weeks Armstead has been growing on me alot. Production wasn't there but I think this big fella has some serious upside.

Which could make WR most logical bet for sure-fire value/need.

"We'll see what happens in the draft, I certainly wouldn't be averse to adding a wide receiver if the value is there, but I certainly don't think that's our primary need right now."

I agree that scheme will play a role for these players but with the #9 pick do we want a player that's scheme specific?

Von Miller was an All American 3-4 OLB that became an All-Pro 4-3 OLB. JJ Watt was a 4-3 DE that became an All-Pro 3-4 rush DE. What I'm saying is that these guys are scheme diverse who could/have/will excel in any defense. If Clowney is healthy this year I'd put him in that mix as well. I don't think the players mentioned have those qualities with the exception of Beasley, although I wouldn't put him on the same level.

- it will be because his body type fits the Giants prototype better than all the other highly ranked pass rushers - besides Odi - and because of his raw potential -- he has the biggest upside of all the pass rushers I've looked at -- he has speed, power and agility -- he is versatile and has lined up all over the field - I don't know much about his intelligence but I assume he has some to be able to line up in all the various positions on defense the way he did

the only thing you can't measure about him is his production - his production was stymied by all the position changes they put him through - but as a raw athlete - this kid is the goods. He has demonstrated major explosive and raw power - he can penetrate with power and speed and he is a gamer with great body control

He doesn't have the flappers that JPP has - but he shows the same type of athleticism - and he has a terrific motor, explosive speed and range on most plays I've viewed of him

It's up to the brass to decide if he's got enough lead in his arse to anchor versus the run. Tremendous athlete with very good but not elite film.

From my notes:

Dupree--workout warrior whose play doesn't live up to the numbers. Almost zero instincts.

Gregory--Too thin, plays too high and square. Will struggle against athletic OT's. Will have to play in the 3-4 but I don't see the consistency to play in space.

Ray--Explosive first step but doesn't convert speed to power well. Made alot of his plays on scrambling QBs or QBs that held the ball too long but that won't happen in the NFL. Will have to play with his hand in the dirt but once an OT latches on he's stopped cold. He has to work on that.

Fowler--Coaches love him because he gives 100% effort all the time but that's his only on-field quality. He needs to develop some pass rush moves but he doesn't really bend or gets skinny well.

Williams--Very toolsy but inconsistent effort. On the ground too much for me. Tries to win solely on upper body strength. Some blame the scheme to why he didn't have more dominant numbers such as Watt and Suh (the comparisons that I just don't see) did in their final years but then why did he only have one 3rd down QB pressure all season? I like his toughness in playing through injuries but I'd be taking a very close look to the torn labrum he had late in 2013. If an interior lineman can't get push, that's obviously a problem.

with Dupree a distant 3rd.

if they ran a 3-4. Fowler is the only guy I want, won't be there, hopefully Cooper or White, or trade down.

players that will slide further in this draft, and are not worth the #9 pick. Armstead, I'm not 100% sold on either, I have a hard time seeing what position would be best for him.

Gregory is the one player I would highly consider at that position. He's a heck of an athlete, similar to Kiwi, who needs to get stronger, but he is a playmaker.

Fowler I like as well, and he's a disruptive player who will give offensive tackles fits one on one, but I wonder if the Giants would feel the type of player that he is, is too similar to DaMontre Moore.

In comment 12196365 sjnyfan said:

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I agree that scheme will play a role for these players but with the #9 pick do we want a player that's scheme specific? Von Miller was an All American 3-4 OLB that became an All-Pro 4-3 OLB. JJ Watt was a 4-3 DE that became an All-Pro 3-4 rush DE. What I'm saying is that these guys are scheme diverse who could/have/will excel in any defense. If Clowney is healthy this year I'd put him in that mix as well. I don't think the players mentioned have those qualities with the exception of Beasley, although I wouldn't put him on the same level.

Not necessarily as it comes down to what we want (or are willing) to run vs. if we feel that particular player will fit in that system.

I have little doubt that one of Gregory or Beasley could stud in the right defense. Question is will it be a defense we would be willing to run? Or as you said are they so good that they would excel in almost ANY defense.

Beasley might be as I think with his work ethic and fluidity in his game, he would be at least passable in space/coverage and be able to play LB.

Gregory I question a little more, but man is he quick twitch freaky, long and fast. In the right system, he is going to be a monster.

I think that's actually fair regarding those two.

Fowler should go to a 3-4 team. I could see NYG changing gears and picking Beasley, but he'll be gone. Gregory is the kid I worry about, actually playing DE would be a transition for him and he got knocked around physically in college when offenses were able to dirty it up in front of him.

I don't love any of the DEs, but Dupree has the most football upside to my eye.

He has played 3 positions in FL and played well at all of them - while also playing at 278 lbs

I think he is going to be a tremendous pro. Get him in 1 position and leave him

We're not going to agree on Fowler.

In second round is much better value
I'd rather have Shelton or Cooper/white in first round
General can grab OLINE in 3rd and safety in 4 th

Preston smith will be a Player

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In second round is much better value I'd rather have Shelton or Cooper/white in first round General can grab OLINE in 3rd and safety in 4 th Preston smith will be a Player

Good call on Smith. Would be a great option at #40.

there all 34 OLB except maybe Beasley could switch to 43 OLB if someone thinks he can play all 3 downs,otherwise he doesn't warrant a top 10 pick unless he plays in a 34 defense!!!

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there all 34 OLB except maybe Beasley could switch to 43 OLB if someone thinks he can play all 3 downs,otherwise he doesn't warrant a top 10 pick unless he plays in a 34 defense!!!

Honestly. Winston or Marriota don't warrant a top ten pick either. I don't think either one is a franchise QB. Bryce Petty and Sean Mannion will be better value and are more pro ready

it'll be Danielle Hunter from LSU, on Day 2 though. He has the length that the Giants look for. 6'6", nearly 35" arms and 10 1/2" hands. He played last year with a similar build to Gregory but unlike him he was able to put on weight between the season and the combine. His listed weight in season was 240 but was up to 252 in Indy and still had the fastest time among DE's at 4.57 with a 1.57 split. He has a frame that could still add good weight which I'm not sure Gregory can.

The biggest knock on him was having only 1.5 sacks this past season. He does need to develop his pass rush but the good news is he finished with 73 tackles and 13.5 TFLs. He'll still be 20 at the start of the season and is reportedly very coachable with a clean record. We've had more success with 2nd/3rd rd lineman over the past generation than 1st. I think Hunter can continue that. Lance Zierlein compared him to JPP coming out. It's too early to call but if he can get into the 260's with some development I think he'll outshine some of those considered with a higher grade.

LSU's pro day is this week. I'm certain Jerry will be there. Keep an eye on him especially if he can put up good on field and agility drills.

Hunter over Preston?

His measureables are defiantely hard to ignore and so is the way he flies around the field. I'd definitely be leary of his lack of production. If he were there from the 4th round on he'd be an interesting prospect to say the least. get him in the weight room and coach him up and you may have something there.

I'd rather have him taking up a roster spot then a guy like wynn with very little upside. with him I think what you see is what you get. I dn't get all the optimism on here about him. If he were that talented a player he would have made the team in the first place last year and not have been a late season add after all the injuries.

I'd be happy with either as a Day 2 pick. Smith definitely has a higher floor but Hunter the higher ceiling. Thank goodness for a few more weeks of evaluation.

My point with Fowler is everyone says he is 3-4 OLB due to his weight. He has already played DE at 278 and was good.

If people think Beasley can gain weight to play DE how can Fowler not when he has already done it

Hard to be consistent when you are playing 3 different positions.

I generally think all Gators are over hyped. I think he is under hyped

I think you'd need to adjust the scheme for either one, but they both seem to have some relentlessness and nastiness to their games (in addition to the athleticism). Beasley is intriguing as well. Gregory is the only one I don't like much. But parsing between all of them is a challenge as an amateur who can't identify the schematic pros/cons.

He definitely has the best chance of the bunch to play DE given his length and weight. In my eyes Beasley is a 34 OLB but may be atheletic enough to transition to 43 OLB,but only if he can play all 3 downs,otherwise he's not worth a top 10 pick in a 43. I can't see Beasley playing end in the NFL. He's definitely strong enough in the weight room but can he transition that to the field in the NFL.

I hear you and respect your football opinions.

I assure you I'm not basing my opinion of him solely on his weight. His best film is when he's playing LB, and roaming in space off the edge, and I'd prefer a player who's best suited to DE. I just don't see the magic with him, I actually think he's over-hyped as most Gator defenders tend to be.

in Round 2. Beasley in Round 1.

that may eventually go in the latter half of the first round? A player who can set the edge, rush the passer, and kick inside and be disruptive. I don't think he'll be around for our second round pick. I almost feel like he's a better option than most of the names floating around as a first round picks.

Hunter intrigues with rare AA and a high ceiling as a pass rusher. Smith has the higher floor with natural size, LDE traits and is stout at the PoA.

I've waffled on these two hoping some info would come to the fore tipping the scales. My gut says the Giants will prefer Hunter's upside.

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that may eventually go in the latter half of the first round? A player who can set the edge, rush the passer, and kick inside and be disruptive. I don't think he'll be around for our second round pick. I almost feel like he's a better option than most of the names floating around as a first round picks.

I don't think he'll be around either at #40. But if he is, and we don't go DE in round one, I'd take a long look at him.

6'3 267 pounds

#2 DL in 40 Yard Dash, 4.62
#1 DL in Vert Jump, 39 in
#1 DL in Broad Jump, 10'7
#2 DL in 20 Yard Shuttle
#3 DL in 60 Yard Shuttle

He's got the size and is arguably the best athlete in the class.

The guy of course is Odighizuwa. So why isn't he in consideration at 9?

Could be the surgical procedures he's had on both hips.

Hau'oli Kikaha is another player whose medical history effects his draft status. He's had multiple ACL tears. 36 career sacks.

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6'3 267 pounds #2 DL in 40 Yard Dash, 4.62 #1 DL in Vert Jump, 39 in #1 DL in Broad Jump, 10'7 #2 DL in 20 Yard Shuttle #3 DL in 60 Yard Shuttle He's got the size and is arguably the best athlete in the class. The guy of course is Odighizuwa. So why isn't he in consideration at 9?

I like the size of Odighizuwa's arms and hands too -- but I've been told that his injuries make him a question mark at 9 -- I agree with you though he's more the prototype than anyone else out there

In comment 12196611 Torrag said:

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Hunter intrigues with rare AA and a high ceiling as a pass rusher. Smith has the higher floor with natural size, LDE traits and is stout at the PoA. I've waffled on these two hoping some info would come to the fore tipping the scales. My gut says the Giants will prefer Hunter's upside.

Could easily see that happening. Some think Hunter's athleticism compares to JPP's. He needs to develop better pass rush moves, but blocks a lot of passes, and is stout against the run. He also has no character concerns, and is a hard worker.

violent hands and long arms. However he lacks pass rush skills and two hip surgeries cost him the entire 2013 season. That will play in the minds of front offices around the league. He didn't really play to those numbers either. If he can remain healthy I think he has a career in the league as a run stuffing base end though.

Is it worth spending #9 on a player who helps you win on third down if that is all they do?

I think Beasley gives you that. If we are being more conservative then Fowler or Dupree both impress me.

Different people that stated on twitter that it's difficult to just focus on Dupree when watching Kentucky film because ZaDarius Smith stands out as well. I understand it happens a lot that another teammate can stand out on film when you weren't studying him in particular but I just can't find myself wanting to draft him at 9.

I can be way off but he reminds me of Vernon Gholston 2.0

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6'3 267 pounds #2 DL in 40 Yard Dash, 4.62 #1 DL in Vert Jump, 39 in #1 DL in Broad Jump, 10'7 #2 DL in 20 Yard Shuttle #3 DL in 60 Yard Shuttle He's got the size and is arguably the best athlete in the class. The guy of course is Odighizuwa. So why isn't he in consideration at 9?

Dupree was #1 vert and broad. 42" vert and 11'6 broad. Your numbers are flawed unless you consider him a LB which seems wrong.

Dupree was grouped with the lb's in the combine so his numbers hold true but understand what you mean.

None of the top names are good fits. Gregory's probably the best if he can put on 10-15 pounds.

Long arms, super athletic, and rare upside. Let's not forget we have no big time pass rusher locked up for the next few years. Our SB success has been predicated on pass rush. JPP is no long term lock as of today.

1-Fowler (Can't see him falling)
2-Gregory
3-Ray
4-Beasley
5-Dupree

One thing I have read about Dupree is that he was asked to do a lot on the UK defense as he was their best defensive player. He was moved around a lot. He played outside and inside and was used in 2 point stance, 3 point stance, used in coverage as well.

From what I have read basically he was never allowed to do one thing in their defense. They moved him wherever they needed him in the front seven and that he wasnt allowed to just rush the passer on every play. That definitely affected him defensively.

The question you have to ask is how would he perform in the Giants defense. He has the athletic ability and the size. The question is how does that translate?

But Athletically he is superior to Ray and in all honesty he is probably a half a step behind Beasley athletically but is 24 lbs heavier...

The whole he is only a workout warrior thing is just silly IMO. The guy led the SEC in sacks.

A quote from Bucky Brooks

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I asked the coach if Dupree was a better athlete than player, he told me the kid played 4 positions and never had a chance to fully develop

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Coach thinks Dupree will be a "stud" when he given a chance to settle in and play. Says he is too explosive to not be a player.

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The same coach told me that @UKFootball DE Bud Dupree is the best candidate of the "hybrids" to be a pure DE. Size & frame to be 290lb DE

This is pretty much what I see. He is a little raw.. well JPP was a little raw as well.

The question is can he improve his technique. He has the athletic ability. He definitely need to play more with his hand in the dirt..

I also found the article linked below pretty revealing


Dupree COULD be in the mix @ 9. Apparently he is climbing up boards..
Article on Bud Dupree - ( New Window )

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Long arms, super athletic, and rare upside. Let's not forget we have no big time pass rusher locked up for the next few years. Our SB success has been predicated on pass rush. JPP is no long term lock as of today. 1-Fowler (Can't see him falling) 2-Gregory 3-Ray 4-Beasley 5-Dupree

Id like Gregory more if he was 245-250 to start.. then I could see him maxing out around 255-265

It's nice and all to read other peoples opinions but there's no substitute for actually watching film and developing your (OWN)opinion!! No matter what you read about Dupree it doesn't make it a fact. Fowler was all over the field as well playing different positions and he's rated much higher. To high in my view. Dn't get me wrong he's a good player and the talent is there but I dn't believe he's any better then Bud Dupree. Not from what I've seen anyway...

checks all the boxes, including the intangibles - SEC sack leader, 4-3 DE size, explosive player and team captain.

Dupree or one of the WRs at 9.

He should be the pick then. haha... But all kidding aside,I think if he had stayed at one position and developed as an end then he probably would be a consideration at 9. It's a little tricky to project him as an every down end in the NFL. So I think 9 is still a little high. Projecting players to have a certain production on the pros has been one of the Giants problems in the past when it comes to the draft. This is just my opinion,wich I have stated before. I think it's an easy choice if either Cooper or Parker are there at 9,just like last year with OBJ. LIke rease said when they had a choice between lewnan,Martin and beckham. There was nothing to talk about In that scenario. I think you go with Cooper based on production and route running ability. If Parker hadn't been injured for a better part of the season it's probably the other way around and people would be talking about him as the 1st receiver off the board. I'm not as enamoured as most with Kevin Whites 4.35 at the combine because you just simply dn't see it on film enough. But one of the teams picking before us will see that and it will be the overriding factor between him and Cooper. Parker in my view is the most explosive of the 3 but he's also been a little banged up as well,so I think you go with Cooper at 9.

This doesn't look like a great class for 4-3 DEs. Even if you think the team has a need there, picking one of these hybrids or 3-4 prototypes at 9 isn't the best use of resources.

All seven of the players the New York Giants chose in the 2014 NFL Draft were team captains. Coincidence? I think not.

Obviously its not the lone criteria for their selection process, but it's seems to be an very important factor.

I never said it wasn't a factor,but to think that they would reach for a certain player that has a lesser grade just because he was voted team captain is just not realistic. maybe in the later rounds I could see this being the deciding factor,but definitely not the 9th pick. I dn't understand why you're coming at me anyway,because of your perception I was lauphing at you?! I wasn't so you can put your insecuraties away. I was simply amused that all of the Giants picks had been voted captains. Geesh!!

doesn't appear to be close too #9 talent. Here is an analysis of Dupree, far better and more thorough than mine
Link - ( New Window )

If JR decides that BPA at 9 is a DE I hope it`s Odi. He is a big strong kid and seems to have a high motor. Will be a disruptive force and it will be like old home days to have a DE whose name announcers have trouble with.

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If JR decides that BPA at 9 is a DE I hope it`s Odi. He is a big strong kid and seems to have a high motor. Will be a disruptive force and it will be like old home days to have a DE whose name announcers have trouble with.

medical and lack of production should drop him to at least 40.

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If JR decides that BPA at 9 is a DE I hope it`s Odi. He is a big strong kid and seems to have a high motor. Will be a disruptive force and it will be like old home days to have a DE whose name announcers have trouble with.

Dont see it not at 9.. If Dupree is a dark horse at 9... Odi is a dark horse in a coal mine, during a blackout under a solar eclipse.

Not just stood out as a combine workout warrior. There is too much risk just drafting on measurables alone.

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Not just stood out as a combine workout warrior. There is too much risk just drafting on measurables alone.

I think its a fallacy that teams draft on measurables alone.

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the game is changing on defense. I think if you get a top flight pass rusher, you re-design your defense around him. I wouldn't just try to fit a square peg into a square hole here.

Eric, well said. I'm starting to be of the same mind. With offenses built around the pass and in some cases no huddle a difference maker in the front seven is paramount.

Beasley is my guy...partly because Fowler will be long gone, but I really like Beasley. I think he can be the Giants Von Miller.

and a bunch of the recent Super Bowl teams ran multiple looks and concepts defensively which featured more and more of the new wave of 'hybrid' player.

Are the Giants under Steve willing to follow the trend too? If so any of these edge-rushers could be in serious contention for our 9th pick.

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and a bunch of the recent Super Bowl teams ran multiple looks and concepts defensively which featured more and more of the new wave of 'hybrid' player. Are the Giants under Steve willing to follow the trend too? If so any of these edge-rushers could be in serious contention for our 9th pick.

Coach, I really think Spags is willing. Coughlin said the experience in Baltimore altered some of Spag's philosophy so we should expect some changes in scheme that might go unnoticed by the casual fan. (no offense to casual fans) Would not surprise me if having Suggs at the RDE (or LEO in the Raven's D) has affected his thinking on the necessary physical attributes of pass rushers. The question is, do Ross and Reese see it the same way.