"PHOENIX -- The New York Giants recently had another conversation with the representatives for quarterback Eli Manning, but the two sides are no closer to agreement on a contract extension and the Giants are comfortable letting Manning play out the final year of his contract, two sources close to the situation told ESPN.com on Sunday."
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With this OL, no guarantee that Cruz will be 100%, breakable RB's, no established TE, and an enigma wrapped in a riddle aka Reuben Randle? And that's just on offense.
4400 yards and 30 touchdowns last season.
Every time Brady restructures he's get more guaranteed money. He's giving a hometown discount like the morons at ESPN think. It's a raise in guaranteed money not a discount.
It also tells us that Eli wants to be get paid according to market value only, and he will have none of these "give a home town discount", "take a team-friendly deal for another title" kind of wishful thinking dreamed up by us fans.
Nothing wrong with that attitude at all. I have always been puzzled by the certitude of some posters here who claimed "I am sureEli will take a team friendly deal at the end" or "He is not going any where. Period." Such a bold statement ... but based on what established track record exactly, either by Eli himself, or by other members of the Manning family??
lol
I think that's the sticky part, Mike - if this is his last contract, then he'd want the length to go at least as long as the minimum number of years he seems himself playing.
I don't think we can read anything into this, other than the Giants and Eli haven't agreed on terms, and that the current situation is good enough for both of them. As far as a hometown discount goes, I doubt it, but you never know - being stuck here could be more indicative of the length and less the total amount of the contract.
There are teams that I could see he might be interested in, however, like the Saints (after Brees, of course), the Texans, Jaguars and Titans if they can assemble enough offensive talent to make things interesting.
With this OL, no guarantee that Cruz will be 100%, breakable RB's, no established TE, and an enigma wrapped in a riddle aka Reuben Randle? And that's just on offense. Defensively they have decent CB's, a questionable replication of Strahan? Or is it Tuck? maybe Osi?...followed up with a bunch of below average to dumpster dive talent.
So far it looks like another season of Eli and OBJ playing catch with the rest of the team crumbling around them.
We need to be talking about Reese's contract...not Eli nor Colonels Tom's.
And BTW, I don't begrudge him at all.
And BTW, I don't begrudge him at all.
Do you understand what he gave up to get that extra 1 mil a year?
John Mara told me an Eli extension is "preferable" but the Giants are willing to let him play 2015 as a contractual lame duck.
Let's see.... BUFFALO comes to mind.
"Believe Manning will ask . . ."
So apparently they haven't talked about a number at all and if they haven't talked about a number, then these "talks" appear to be preliminary with neither side getting down to business.
@Jason_OTC: Interesting to hear #Giants on Manning. Big benefit to deal now is rolling current $17M salary into new guarantee.
Such a rumor could provide two benefits:
1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli).
2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.
Such a rumor could provide two benefits:
1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli).
2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.
Beyond unlikely, imo
Not that this is not an interesting development, it is, but it really doesn't tell us much than what most had already assumed. All we know now is that negotiations really have not begun in earnest. If your Eli, you probably at least want to wait and see what the Seahawks give Russel Wilson. After all, Eli has one more Superbowl ring than he does.
It does seem extremely illogical.
Agreed. But there are just as many stupid adults.
That is why Nassib is so special, as no one can compare him with reality, thus he is special and save us. lol
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That is why Nassib is so special, as no one can compare him with reality, thus he is special and save us. lol
Had anyone ever seen an F-117 Nighthawk before they were unleashed on Iraq? No. So, in my best Drew Boylhart voice, That's why I call him Ryan "Nighthawk" Nassib.
Good grief!
Ok I have to ask, based on what exactly?
which is exactly why Eli and Rivers waited.. If the Giants want Eli long term they are gonna have to pony up the dollars
Such a rumor could provide two benefits:
1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli).
2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.
There was a rumor the Giants were interested in Manziel a few days before the draft (which, I thought was pretty obviously bullshit).
Eli likely has no desire to play out the final year of his deal. He'll want his guaranteed money.
Eli is going nowhere..He's healthy, only 34 and could easily play another 5-6 years..He had arguably his second best year ever in a brand new offense and should be even better..It's okay for Brady to be 38 or so, but Eli is moveable..
Nonsense..Eli will retire a Giant as Peyton would have retired a Colt were his neck injury not to have occurred leading to a 2-14 season and lucking into Luck..
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!! - John McEnroe
What would the day be without on or more "Nassib is better" threads? Just plain stupid
What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads?
Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win.
What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads?
Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win.
Worse, once Eli is gone it will be 20 years before the Giants have another QB to start 5+ straight years for them.
Quote: Simply because of supply and demand. Living in the DC area and having to witness the tragedy that is the Redskins QB drama, it is simply a fact that there is a tremendous shortage on franchise QBs. So many teams need one. And they will be more than willing to pay top dollar for one.
What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads?
Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win.
Worse, once Eli is gone it will be 20 years before the Giants have another QB to start 5+ straight years for them.
Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential cpmmunication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expecations of Ryan Nassib are...
And that includes you, brother baadbill...
You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they?
Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential cpmmunication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expecations of Ryan Nassib are...
And that includes you, brother baadbill...
You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they?
Lou, I'm expressing opinions based upon overwhelming odds. Is it possible that Nassib replaces Eli and starts for the next 12 years and breaks all of Eli's records? Yes, that's possible. But If I am a betting man, the odds are overwhelming that he is a good backup but never starts for more than 2 years for any one team his entire career. And nobody on BBI has any basis - none whatsoever that aren't based upon dreams they had during the prior night's sleep - that Nassib is a franchise QB.
So, you are right. I don't know what Nassib will turn out to be. But none of us know what any player who hasn't played will turn out to be. But we do know one thing. The overwhelming percentage of players who weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds and who haven't played after two years - are statistically not turning into franchise players. I suspect the other 31 teams have a pretty damn good idea of how good Ryan Nassib is - and I don't think they would give more than a 4th rounder for him, if that. That doesn't exactly scream Franchise Player.
But to suggest that the Giants should consider jettisoning Eli because Nassib is a Franchise QB ready to lead the Giants to the promised land has to be a suggestion from a BBI member who registered from one of the local mental institutions.
A poor year, a coaching purge, a 36-year old QB who hasn't led his team to an above 500 season in four years, will lead to a change of QB in NYC.
Seiouly, no one will avocate for Manning's return to a Coughlin-less Giants with 4 consecutive losing seasons will they?
Established team shill Dottino has made where the Giants stand on that clear lately.
Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential communication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expectations of Ryan Nassib are...
And that includes you, brother baadbill...
You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they?
Lou, I'm expressing opinions based upon overwhelming odds. Is it possible that Nassib replaces Eli and starts for the next 12 years and breaks all of Eli's records? Yes, that's possible. But If I am a betting man, the odds are overwhelming that he is a good backup but never starts for more than 2 years for any one team his entire career. And nobody on BBI has any basis - none whatsoever that aren't based upon dreams they had during the prior night's sleep - that Nassib is a franchise QB.
So, you are right. I don't know what Nassib will turn out to be. But none of us know what any player who hasn't played will turn out to be. But we do know one thing. The overwhelming percentage of players who weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds and who haven't played after two years - are statistically not turning into franchise players. I suspect the other 31 teams have a pretty damn good idea of how good Ryan Nassib is - and I don't think they would give more than a 4th rounder for him, if that. That doesn't exactly scream Franchise Player.
Well frankly I'm not sure how the 31 other teams would have any idea - more than we or the Giants' beat reporters have - how good Nassib is expected to be according to McAdoo, Coughlin, or his position coach (Sean Ryan now?) Nor do we have much idea just how intractable Eli's agent Condon is regarding Eli's extension... I think it's simply pretty silly to assert either way what the Giants FO plans to do in 2016, and frankly I doubt the Giants FO has their mind made up either, or they would have extended Eli by now. Unless the money is the issue...
I think the Giants were kinda thrilled to land Nassib in the 4th round. He might be the only QB in the league besides Fitzpatrick to have earned a higher wonderlic score than Eli...
I am a bit surprised you are so eager to jump to conclusions, if not surprised that you love Eli. I wonder what price his body (and soul?) have paid for his iron man run. That's got to be brutal every which way you look at it, and I would be worried (if I were in the Giants FO) what he has left... Foo, most normal humans woulda quit football after the win over the 9ers in the 2011 playoffs. Or at least after the 2nd superbowl win... Certainly after last year he looks good to go a few more at a very high level, but I think it's foolish to draw any conclusion until 2015 is done, nuh?
Well yes, but the Giants' FO is at least treating Nassib as if he is something more than Rhett Bomar or Andre Woodson, so there's that...