Graziano: NYG okay with letting Eli play out his current contract

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Eli is not going anywhere

Eli thinks he will have a monster year . 2nd season with new offence . Now has a check down back in Vareen. Hopefully he's right .

Eli isnt going anywhere. More than likely and what is smart on his part and the agents part is to get more numbers.. What kind of contract will Russell Wilson and Cam Newton get.. also Philip Rivers..

Eli is going NOWHERE..

Doesn't surprise me at all.

We can likely expect an extension announcement by the end of the week.

Good to see

If he goes down and the team is picking in the top 5 or Nassib plays well, you never know.

it'll be as moronic as the time they made Phil Simms leave the team.

In comment 12198319 Vinny from Danbury said:

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it'll be as moronic as the time they made Phil Simms leave the team.

Not even a focus of consideration.. Cap is going up big next year.. Eli can get franchised.. He is not going anywhere..

get done at some point,� regarding an extension.

Whether it's the right move or not, they're pretty clearly not letting him walk or putting him on notice. Much like the last deal, both sides will probably find a more common ground well after the draft, possibly into the pre-season, and something will get done then.

negotiating tactic, nothing else IMO, i bet something is done in mid-to-late august.

Because I have to think that Eli will stay in NY for a competitive offer. The risk is, if his durability luck should run out this year, he's really going to regret not making a deal while he still could.

he's been living in the area a long time, he's got a family...

But there are places that could ease the pain of that move with a lot of money, lower taxes, better weather and a home base closer to his home town.

If Brees continues to slip I wonder if the Saints would come after Eli. Not a great move for a rebuilding team, but great PR.

He's not going to want to go to another franchise. And unless he puts up some amazing season, nobody is going to offer him a ton of money at age 34 or whatever he'll be.

I truly believe that. Everyone with 2 eyes can see what he can do when given solid protection and having playmakers. I for one don't want to see OBJ's prime years wasted on whoever comes after Eli, He will retire a Giant.

Eli would take one for the team and only ask for 15 mil a season. Would be huge having that extra $$ to build the defense

And Reese gambling that no GM will look at Eli's age and body of work and break the bank for him.




Hopefully they are BOTH RIGHT!

- every Colts fan, until 2011.

A lot can change in a year. Still, In the most likely scenario - by far - Eli is a Giant for life.

- every Saints fan, until 1980.

Just saying...

- every Giants fan, until 20??

I think this offense is perfect for Eli & I look forward to having another kick ass season in '15.

Nassib to step in or w draft a new QB next year.

it to #9...
No really, we'll see what happens next year. Cap does go up, and see how the team does and if they stay the course. A bad season may usher in a new coach and GM.

Are there any good QBs in next years draft?

i don't think so, since the Giants hold all the cards. Eli has had a very good career with the team, but they should draft a qb if a good one falls into their laps. by the time this team gets good (a few years at least) Manning will be close to done. :)_

you've got Eli, JPP, Prince, and Ellis effectively playing on year contracts. Nice. Should be a fun offseason.

@DrewBoylhart: RUMOR; #Giants are comfortable letting Eli Manning play out final year of his contract. TRANSLATION; like what they see in Ryan Nassib #NFL

Totally wrong.

Translation: Condon's price is too high.

And they can tag him next year if they want. If I am the Giants....I wait and see how the season goes and then make a decision based on that. The risk here is on Eli.

is a lock. This franchise is precariously in a struggle to figure out who it can rely upon and that runs from the front office all the way to its backup QB

I don't doubt Eli since he puts in the work to succeed. But his ultimate departure could be more a function of cleaning house if there is not a move up into a more competitive threshold for this team.

he did not want to restructure to help us with the cap situation so then why reward that decision with an extension? Unless you can do it without guaranteed money beyond next year.

There is no reason to believe Eli won't go for the highest contract possible. This idea that he's going to get paid less to help out the Giants is a BBI pipe-dream IMHO. I'm all for letting Eli play out his contract as I'd like to see Nassib in another training camp. I hope we have a Favre/Rogers situation on our hands. However, if Nassib stinks up the joint in pre-season then extend Eli immediately. lol.

Fix up the offensive line and get the running game at least back to mediocre before thinking about cutting ties. That includes fixing up the defense that doesn't allow big scores to cancel out being scoring drives by the offense.

after Eli retires

guess is he gets extended, but I have no problem with letting him play out his contract. He'll be 35 after the end of next season. He could play very well for another three or four years. Or maybe not. Athletes in their mid 30s can lose their effectiveness, even if they don't suffer some type of major injury. It's not a given he plays until his late 30s.

In comment 12198319 Vinny from Danbury said:

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it'll be as moronic as the time they made Phil Simms leave the team.

Agree.

Is still very much this team QB, we don't even know what to believe but there is no rush to do anything both sides are holding little advantage. I like the idea to see what he does it's not like he is not being paid well and this season could see the end of a regime. This year is really a season of show me or say good bye for many members of this team.

That Eli is giving no home town discount more than the Giants are considering moving on

this doesnt surprise me.

ding ding.

just first reaction and no data behind it....its about length of contract. That's where both sides would have a different sense of enlightened self interest. Its the flash point of all franchise QBs and teams...the end game and how to plan for it and deal with it.

Same as founders of great companies...when do you quit?

is Eli throws for 4,500 yards, 35 TDs, with a 13-3 record, another SB win and a SB MVP. That way he asks for more money, so a small part of BBI could just complain...

We all know its going to happen!

that was a 4 or 5 year deal, but at 15M per year and fully gauranteed.

This gives the team flexibility to sign other players under the cap and ensures the player is set for life.

I hope he doesnt hold out for a top 5 QB contract or even what Big Ben just got from the Steelers.

In comment 12198549 debo_GIANTS said:

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that was a 4 or 5 year deal, but at 15M per year and fully gauranteed. This gives the team flexibility to sign other players under the cap and ensures the player is set for life. I hope he doesnt hold out for a top 5 QB contract or even what Big Ben just got from the Steelers.

No way I see that happening

He will get 60 mil guaranteed on his 120 mil deal, why settle for 60 mil guaranteed on a 60 mil deal?

So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now.

In comment 12198579 NYGNYY said:

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So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now.

Did Stafford, Ryan, Ben, Cutler, and Dalton give their teams hometown discounts?

I never understood why fans expect players to ask for less. Do you ask for less in your job?

About a 1% chance it happens with Condon as the agent, and I don't blame Eli one iota.

Also, prepare to get smacked around over the "Brady discount" belief ...

would Eli get if we tag him?

definitely north of $20M

has already made well over $100M in his playing career.

Him and his brother are on every other commercial, tons of endorsement $$$

Give the team a discount and lets go get another ring!!!

Given Eli is 34, term is perhaps the biggest obstacle when others are securing five year pacts.

It's a given he'll get $20M per season, but it makes sense a team is careful about a deal that goes beyond, let's say a QBs' 37th or 38th b-day. It's not a given Eli will still be an upper caliber player at such an age, and he's been very well paid throughout his NFL career.

Anyone opining that Nassib is the answer loses all credibility in my book. From what we've seen thus far (albeit presesaon only), there has been nothing that jumps out to me about him that hints at anywhere near Eli's level. While I hope he is servicable and can fill in a pinch, I for one hope we are not seeing Nassib under center anytime soon.

let's see what happens this season first. i doubt eli wants to start over elsewhere, but if there is more of the same this season, i think mara will look at everyone in the organization from reese all the way down to the yoga instructor.

It's a recipe for instant cap hell, and I don't even know whether the League, the Union or the CBA would permit it. But it would sure would align Eli's elite comp with his main claim to elite stature.

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About a 1% chance it happens with Condon as the agent, and I don't blame Eli one iota. Also, prepare to get smacked around over the "Brady discount" belief ...

The Brady discount is real

I've yet to see it accurately depicted as such.

In comment 12198579 NYGNYY said:

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So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now.

Stop spending other people's money.

Eli isn't going anywhere,but it will probably be a lot more expensive next year, franchise or not.

This offense has a chance to put up some big numbers this year, we don't have that 4 game "learning curve" that we had last year. OBJ out of the gate, Vereen, yeah this could be a good year, with a hefty price tag on Eli next year.

are wrong.

They forget how good we have it compared to other teams. That is a 2 time Superbowl MVP...if Eli becomes a FA, he will get his money...you can bet on that. Teams like Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Jacksonville, Cleveland, with a chance at Eli? Are ya freakin kidding me? He will get paid...I don't care if he has his worst season since his rookie year, he will get his money if he's a FA

from winning the big one is all it takes.

120% of his 2015 salary? That's about $21MM. (If the base for the 120% figure includes amortized-bonus cap hit, it's closer to $24MM.) The "exclusive" tag could end up being higher than that, but I doubt that the Giants would need to use that to keep him.

2015 at a $19.5MM cap hit and 2016 at a $21MM cap hit-- with Eli shouldering all the injury risk and hitting free agency in 2017 at 36-- is a pretty good fallback option for the team.

In comment 12198579 NYGNYY said:

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So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now.

ugh, I should have parked NYGNYY. That's not going to create too much confusion now...please be a good poster.

however he should not get paid top 5 QB money-
he made top 5 for a year of bottom 5 play in 2013... that should factor into something.
he deserves a contract of a high level QB that is in the final 3rd of their career.

than they want to pay right now to extend him.

If the Giants let him walk I can definitely see Houston giving him a nice contract. And it's not far from his home town.

...because the Giants won't be getting any cap relief now by a restructure and because he will be signing for full market value next year (if he won't be seeking max $, then he would take an extension now).

On the one hand, can you blame him? Why take a discount when your team's GM has shown absolutely no ability to build a competent OL? In other words, get the most you can before you get killed.

On the other hand, Eli's salary in the past few years (one of the highest percentages of the cap in the league, if I'm not mistaken) has handcuffed Reese's ability to improve other areas.

Personally, I am little disappointed in Eli for not giving the Giants a little relief. But again, I don't blame anyone for trying to make as much as they can.

is or isn't willing to give the Giants relief. that is totally unfounded speculation. there could be 100s of reasons why a deal is not done yet and some of them may be the Giants not wanting to do it right now also.

but stinky QB play.....don't think they won't do it....what a freakin nightmare THAT would be.....or, or or....even worse...

Sam Bradford stinks it up for the Eagles, and and...an....I can't even say it

but also no money pushed out into the future either. Carving a few mil out of the 2015 cap isn't likely to bring this team to a much higher level of performance. Patience required.

In comment 12198319 Vinny from Danbury said:

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it'll be as moronic as the time they made Phil Simms leave the team.

This would be much much worse.

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I've yet to see it accurately depicted as such.

I'm not going into the details of this yet again but if you look at the details of his contracts for yourself and try to find a comparable contract for a top tier QB you will have a hard time to come up with one. You need to go down to the Andy Dalton range.

No idea what the front office is doing this year.

In comment 12198585 dep026 said:

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In comment 12198579 NYGNYY said: Quote: So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now. Did Stafford, Ryan, Ben, Cutler, and Dalton give their teams hometown discounts? I never understood why fans expect players to ask for less. Do you ask for less in your job?

Because its sports? When you go to work, do you have 50,000 people booing or cheering every time you send an e-mail?

Do people you've never seen or heard of, buy replicas of your khaki's and sports shirt, so they can show their pride? I hate when people say that, because there really is little to no comparison, to what we do when we go to work every day......JMHO...

Eli doesn't have a wife who makes $40 mill per year.

Best case scenario
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is Eli throws for 4,500 yards, 35 TDs, with a 13-3 record, another SB win and a SB MVP. That way he asks for more money, so a small part of BBI could just complain...

We all know its going to happen!



Uh, no we don't.....Can Eli throw for 4500 yards+ and 35 tds(he's only thrown over 30 once in 11 seasons)?.....If he remains upright....

As for 13-3, think that happens with this defense?.....Last season, we saw OBj get a lot of single coverage....that is not going to happen this year.....So, what if Cruz is not 100%? Think Randle can step up? Possible in a contract year, but remains to be seen....we still need that fifth OLman....

The smart move, with Eli being 35 in 2016, is to franchise him.......if the franchise tag is 23M, that's only 3M more than his cap this year, and is a hedge against a long term contract for a 35 year old qb....he gets his money, but on a year to year basis....with the cap going up, this is easily doable....Eli wants to remain a Giant....but he doesn't want a yearly franchise tag either.....As for this Brady deal talk, he is not married to Giselle, who makes more money than Brady.....and as for Brady, you don't think he has some, wink, wink, side deal with the Kraft's?

The Giants will be trying to get to respectability this year.....I don't think they make the playoffs.....JPP is still up in the air....funny though, we have not seen any word that some team is interested.....those two first rounders are costly......so will JPP risk injury and play under the tag? Or will he buckle under, and take the guaranteed money the Giants offer? If the Giants are smart, they hold the line against him....

In comment 12198799 shabu said:

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No idea what the front office is doing this year.

Why the hurry to give him an extension? Its not like there are some good Free Agents available that you need his cap space

was very impressive in preseason last year. excellent fit in a West Coast Offense. at last month's Combine Tom said he saw him as a future starter.
his game reminds me of phil simms

would be surprised if we haven't fielded some trade calls but why trade him?

sounds like we wanted in on Suh, and would've extended Eli to do it. but Kong too expensive

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...his game reminds me of phil simms

Uh huh. And Christian Bale reminds me of Jesus Christ. The resemblance runs just about as deep. When Ryan Nassib gets decked by Reggie White and jumps up asking for more, you can compare him to Phil Simms.

Come to think of it, Nassib's production the past two years has been eerily similar to Phil's output in 1982 & 1983. (Those were the two seasons Phil lost to knee and thumb injuries.)

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was very impressive in preseason last year. excellent fit in a West Coast Offense. at last month's Combine Tom said he saw him as a future starter. his game reminds me of phil simms would be surprised if we haven't fielded some trade calls but why trade him?

Wow a Phil Simms comparison based on four pre season games...

I say, let him play out the contract, we get a great compensatory pick, free up almost $20 mill on next years cap, and let the heir apparent Nassib take over. Nassib is better then all of these QB's in this years draft.

throwing with a collective 600 lbs in his face and on his back?

With this OL, no guarantee that Cruz will be 100%, breakable RB's, no established TE, and an enigma wrapped in a riddle aka Reuben Randle? And that's just on offense. Defensively they have decent CB's, a questionable replication of Strahan? Or is it Tuck? maybe Osi?...followed up with a bunch of below average to dumpster dive talent.

So far it looks like another season of Eli and OBJ playing catch with the rest of the team crumbling around them.

We need to be talking about Reese's contract...not Eli nor Colonels Tom's.

In comment 12199031 bigblue4ever said:

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I say, let him play out the contract, we get a great compensatory pick, free up almost $20 mill on next years cap, and let the heir apparent Nassib take over. Nassib is better then all of these QB's in this years draft.

Jesus fucking Christ

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In comment 12198908 area junc said: Quote: was very impressive in preseason last year. excellent fit in a West Coast Offense. at last month's Combine Tom said he saw him as a future starter. his game reminds me of phil simms would be surprised if we haven't fielded some trade calls but why trade him? Wow a Phil Simms comparison based on four pre season games...

Really. Where do they come up with this shit?

But what would the day be without another stupid Nassib thread?

Though nothing is etched in stone, he's not going anywhere..Had we been able to sign a McCourtey or another high priced FA or two, my sense he would have been extended by now..But since, at best, it appears that there are no big contracts to give out in FA, I have no problem having us absorb whatever Eli's cap hit is this year..

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Though nothing is etched in stone, he's not going anywhere..Had we been able to sign a McCourtey or another high priced FA or two, my sense he would have been extended by now..But since, at best, it appears that there are no big contracts to give out in FA, I have no problem having us absorb whatever Eli's cap hit is this year..

Of course there's JPP, but the Tag has already been accounted for, no? A long term contract in lieu of the tag money wouldn't necessitate Eli extending now, imo

Giants know what it will take to get a deal done. The team isn't losing anything by not getting it done right now.

This IS Eli's team! It's designed for him, and I want to see him throw the Super Bowl winning pass to Odell Beckham Jr.!.....a couple of times!!

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throwing with a collective 600 lbs in his face and on his back? With this OL, no guarantee that Cruz will be 100%, breakable RB's, no established TE, and an enigma wrapped in a riddle aka Reuben Randle? And that's just on offense.

4400 yards and 30 touchdowns last season.

In comment 12198579 NYGNYY said:

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So can Eli' What's there to play hardball about ? NYG Traded for him or be a freakin Charger, Has 2 Rings and a stupid amount of money. NYG has been very good to Eli and a little suttin suttin would only help Eli now.

Every time Brady restructures he's get more guaranteed money. He's giving a hometown discount like the morons at ESPN think. It's a raise in guaranteed money not a discount.

if Eli wants to play past this contract? He's never sustained a major injury, and he might feel the other shoe could drop at any time. Why not get out why he's still got his health?

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Eli thinks he will have a monster year . 2nd season with new offence .

It also tells us that Eli wants to be get paid according to market value only, and he will have none of these "give a home town discount", "take a team-friendly deal for another title" kind of wishful thinking dreamed up by us fans.

Nothing wrong with that attitude at all. I have always been puzzled by the certitude of some posters here who claimed "I am sureEli will take a team friendly deal at the end" or "He is not going any where. Period." Such a bold statement ... but based on what established track record exactly, either by Eli himself, or by other members of the Manning family??

In comment 12199031 bigblue4ever said:

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I say, let him play out the contract, we get a great compensatory pick, free up almost $20 mill on next years cap, and let the heir apparent Nassib take over. Nassib is better then all of these QB's in this years draft.

lol

In comment 12199173 Mike in Philly said:

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if Eli wants to play past this contract? He's never sustained a major injury, and he might feel the other shoe could drop at any time. Why not get out why he's still got his health?

I think that's the sticky part, Mike - if this is his last contract, then he'd want the length to go at least as long as the minimum number of years he seems himself playing.

I don't think we can read anything into this, other than the Giants and Eli haven't agreed on terms, and that the current situation is good enough for both of them. As far as a hometown discount goes, I doubt it, but you never know - being stuck here could be more indicative of the length and less the total amount of the contract.

If the Giants make the playoffs or more in 2015, there is a good incentive for Eli to not go anywhere else and to pay him what he is worth.

There are teams that I could see he might be interested in, however, like the Saints (after Brees, of course), the Texans, Jaguars and Titans if they can assemble enough offensive talent to make things interesting.

In comment 12199044 andrew_nyg said:

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throwing with a collective 600 lbs in his face and on his back? With this OL, no guarantee that Cruz will be 100%, breakable RB's, no established TE, and an enigma wrapped in a riddle aka Reuben Randle? And that's just on offense. Defensively they have decent CB's, a questionable replication of Strahan? Or is it Tuck? maybe Osi?...followed up with a bunch of below average to dumpster dive talent. So far it looks like another season of Eli and OBJ playing catch with the rest of the team crumbling around them. We need to be talking about Reese's contract...not Eli nor Colonels Tom's.

you are simply a moron

we'd need the cap room for right now.

as a group, that Tom Brady made a bit MORE money with his recent "hometown discount"?

And BTW, I don't begrudge him at all.

I would not be surprised if he retired after this year. Sure his agent is talking about the next contract and that is the smart thing to do. However, Eli might wake up one morning and call it a career. After all he has his scalps up on the wall already. Stranger things have happened.

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I would not be surprised if he retired after this year. Sure his agent is talking about the next contract and that is the smart thing to do. However, Eli might wake up one morning and call it a career. After all he has his scalps up on the wall already. Stranger things have happened.

Want to bet, I don't know? A million bucks on that?

In comment 12199387 Randy in CT said:

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as a group, that Tom Brady made a bit MORE money with his recent "hometown discount"? And BTW, I don't begrudge him at all.

Do you understand what he gave up to get that extra 1 mil a year?

Bart Hubbuch ‏@BartHubbuch 19m19 minutes ago

John Mara told me an Eli extension is "preferable" but the Giants are willing to let him play 2015 as a contractual lame duck.

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from winning the big one is all it takes.

Let's see.... BUFFALO comes to mind.

supposedly the representatives have met but then the article states "The Giants believe Manning will ask for more than Roethlisberger got, and at this point they don't appear ready to make that kind of commitment."

"Believe Manning will ask . . ."

So apparently they haven't talked about a number at all and if they haven't talked about a number, then these "talks" appear to be preliminary with neither side getting down to business.

@Jason_OTC: Roethlisbeger extension numbers may have thrown #Giants off a bit. That contract is pretty much setting a new market

@Jason_OTC: Interesting to hear #Giants on Manning. Big benefit to deal now is rolling current $17M salary into new guarantee.

I wonder if a rumor or report will surface that links the Giants to one of these rookies.

Such a rumor could provide two benefits:

1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli).

2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.

In comment 12199593 PSUGiant said:

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I wonder if a rumor or report will surface that links the Giants to one of these rookies. Such a rumor could provide two benefits: 1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli). 2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.

Beyond unlikely, imo

Big Blue '56, you are probably right!

a lot of this sounds like pre-negotiation posturing and the fans/media are reading into it exactly what the Giants were hoping.

Not that this is not an interesting development, it is, but it really doesn't tell us much than what most had already assumed. All we know now is that negotiations really have not begun in earnest. If your Eli, you probably at least want to wait and see what the Seahawks give Russel Wilson. After all, Eli has one more Superbowl ring than he does.

unusual that Giants would go into next offseason without Eli or JPP done. Can't use Franchise Tag on two players.

that there are kids that register for BBI.

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unusual that Giants would go into next offseason without Eli or JPP done. Can't use Franchise Tag on two players.

It does seem extremely illogical.

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that there are kids that register for BBI.

Agreed. But there are just as many stupid adults.

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That is why Nassib is so special, as no one can compare him with reality, thus he is special and save us. lol

how does anyone know that a new regime would want Eli and JPP as their main pieces going forward? I'm not sure teams normally saddled a total new regime with big contracts without their input. I'm not sure if that is even fair to a new regime.

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In comment 12198982 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: That is why Nassib is so special, as no one can compare him with reality, thus he is special and save us. lol

Had anyone ever seen an F-117 Nighthawk before they were unleashed on Iraq? No. So, in my best Drew Boylhart voice, That's why I call him Ryan "Nighthawk" Nassib.

my opinion.

In comment 12199987 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:

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my opinion.

Good grief!

Ok I have to ask, based on what exactly?

In comment 12199578 Defenderdawg said:

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@Jason_OTC: Roethlisbeger extension numbers may have thrown #Giants off a bit. That contract is pretty much setting a new market

which is exactly why Eli and Rivers waited.. If the Giants want Eli long term they are gonna have to pony up the dollars

but thats not saying much..

if the Giants think they need trade Eli to rebuild the team. Being in the last year of his contact probably makes that more possible for a big return. It will make me sick if the Giants go that way.

In comment 12199593 PSUGiant said:

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I wonder if a rumor or report will surface that links the Giants to one of these rookies. Such a rumor could provide two benefits: 1. It could help Eli's contract negotiations, reinforcing their stance that they would be willing to move on (or at least plan for a future without Eli). 2. It may help drive up the price for one of these QB's. If one were to fall to our pick, a team below us may be forced to trade more than initially anticipated.

There was a rumor the Giants were interested in Manziel a few days before the draft (which, I thought was pretty obviously bullshit).

Eli likely has no desire to play out the final year of his deal. He'll want his guaranteed money.

In comment 12200097 Steve in South Jersey said:

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if the Giants think they need trade Eli to rebuild the team. Being in the last year of his contact probably makes that more possible for a big return. It will make me sick if the Giants go that way.

Eli is going nowhere..He's healthy, only 34 and could easily play another 5-6 years..He had arguably his second best year ever in a brand new offense and should be even better..It's okay for Brady to be 38 or so, but Eli is moveable..

Nonsense..Eli will retire a Giant as Peyton would have retired a Colt were his neck injury not to have occurred leading to a 2-14 season and lucking into Luck..

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my opinion.

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!! - John McEnroe

What would the day be without on or more "Nassib is better" threads? Just plain stupid

it was likely Ben's new deal would create some pause for the team, paired up with Condon's rep you know they'll be aiming for $60M+ guaranteed and still push for five years in total.

Simply because of supply and demand. Living in the DC area and having to witness the tragedy that is the Redskins QB drama, it is simply a fact that there is a tremendous shortage on franchise QBs. So many teams need one. And they will be more than willing to pay top dollar for one.

What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads?

Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win.

In comment 12200639 John in Loudoun said:

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Simply because of supply and demand. Living in the DC area and having to witness the tragedy that is the Redskins QB drama, it is simply a fact that there is a tremendous shortage on franchise QBs. So many teams need one. And they will be more than willing to pay top dollar for one. What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads? Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win.

Worse, once Eli is gone it will be 20 years before the Giants have another QB to start 5+ straight years for them.

In comment 12201732 baadbill said:

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In comment 12200639 John in Loudoun said: Quote: Simply because of supply and demand. Living in the DC area and having to witness the tragedy that is the Redskins QB drama, it is simply a fact that there is a tremendous shortage on franchise QBs. So many teams need one. And they will be more than willing to pay top dollar for one. What do you think the Browns would offer Eli if he was a free agent this year? Titans? Redskins? Texans? Raiders? Bottom line is that teams don't allow franchise QBs to hit the market. Seriously, when was the last time a franchise QB hit the market as a free agent, especially one that still had significant mileage left on the treads? Extend him now and have him retire a Giant. Don't play these ridiculous games of chicken. Because Eli has more leverage and he will win. Worse, once Eli is gone it will be 20 years before the Giants have another QB to start 5+ straight years for them.

Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential cpmmunication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expecations of Ryan Nassib are...

And that includes you, brother baadbill...

You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they?

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Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential cpmmunication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expecations of Ryan Nassib are... And that includes you, brother baadbill... You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they?

Lou, I'm expressing opinions based upon overwhelming odds. Is it possible that Nassib replaces Eli and starts for the next 12 years and breaks all of Eli's records? Yes, that's possible. But If I am a betting man, the odds are overwhelming that he is a good backup but never starts for more than 2 years for any one team his entire career. And nobody on BBI has any basis - none whatsoever that aren't based upon dreams they had during the prior night's sleep - that Nassib is a franchise QB.

So, you are right. I don't know what Nassib will turn out to be. But none of us know what any player who hasn't played will turn out to be. But we do know one thing. The overwhelming percentage of players who weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds and who haven't played after two years - are statistically not turning into franchise players. I suspect the other 31 teams have a pretty damn good idea of how good Ryan Nassib is - and I don't think they would give more than a 4th rounder for him, if that. That doesn't exactly scream Franchise Player.

and I will be rooting for him to turn into a franchise player. Heck, I'd settle for a damn good backup who can carry the team for 2-3 games during a critical portion of the season if necessary. I'd like to see him play more. I consider him a great prospect for the Giants.

But to suggest that the Giants should consider jettisoning Eli because Nassib is a Franchise QB ready to lead the Giants to the promised land has to be a suggestion from a BBI member who registered from one of the local mental institutions.

No concern eli's contract will be settled soon.

A very good year will bring continuity. The staff and the nucleus of players from a winning 2015 will pretty much carry over intact to 2016. In that scenario Eli gets great last NFL contract and retires the face of the franchise.

A poor year, a coaching purge, a 36-year old QB who hasn't led his team to an above 500 season in four years, will lead to a change of QB in NYC.

Seiouly, no one will avocate for Manning's return to a Coughlin-less Giants with 4 consecutive losing seasons will they?

Regardless of whether Coughlin is here or not or even what the "right" move is (because if sentiment is entirely removed, they should probably be shopping him now, this offseason, and fully rebuilding).

Established team shill Dottino has made where the Giants stand on that clear lately.

In comment 12202004 baadbill said:

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Quote: Frankly, I have no idea how people here can make statements about Nasib with such authority. Unless you have an open line of confidential communication with TC or Ben McAdoo you have no fucking clue what the the Giants' expectations of Ryan Nassib are... And that includes you, brother baadbill... You betting against him because of the Giants' history? Or the odds - based on how few real franchise QBs there are? TC, McAdoo, Gilbride, there are a few people who have a pretty good idea if the Giants would let Eli walk and insert Nassib - but they are not on this thread talking, are they? Lou, I'm expressing opinions based upon overwhelming odds. Is it possible that Nassib replaces Eli and starts for the next 12 years and breaks all of Eli's records? Yes, that's possible. But If I am a betting man, the odds are overwhelming that he is a good backup but never starts for more than 2 years for any one team his entire career. And nobody on BBI has any basis - none whatsoever that aren't based upon dreams they had during the prior night's sleep - that Nassib is a franchise QB. So, you are right. I don't know what Nassib will turn out to be. But none of us know what any player who hasn't played will turn out to be. But we do know one thing. The overwhelming percentage of players who weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds and who haven't played after two years - are statistically not turning into franchise players. I suspect the other 31 teams have a pretty damn good idea of how good Ryan Nassib is - and I don't think they would give more than a 4th rounder for him, if that. That doesn't exactly scream Franchise Player.

Well frankly I'm not sure how the 31 other teams would have any idea - more than we or the Giants' beat reporters have - how good Nassib is expected to be according to McAdoo, Coughlin, or his position coach (Sean Ryan now?) Nor do we have much idea just how intractable Eli's agent Condon is regarding Eli's extension... I think it's simply pretty silly to assert either way what the Giants FO plans to do in 2016, and frankly I doubt the Giants FO has their mind made up either, or they would have extended Eli by now. Unless the money is the issue...

I think the Giants were kinda thrilled to land Nassib in the 4th round. He might be the only QB in the league besides Fitzpatrick to have earned a higher wonderlic score than Eli...

I am a bit surprised you are so eager to jump to conclusions, if not surprised that you love Eli. I wonder what price his body (and soul?) have paid for his iron man run. That's got to be brutal every which way you look at it, and I would be worried (if I were in the Giants FO) what he has left... Foo, most normal humans woulda quit football after the win over the 9ers in the 2011 playoffs. Or at least after the 2nd superbowl win... Certainly after last year he looks good to go a few more at a very high level, but I think it's foolish to draw any conclusion until 2015 is done, nuh?

My post wasn't about Eli. It was about Nassib. There is zero basis - as in absolutely zero - for anyone on BBI to base an opinion that Nassib has the capability to replace Eli for the next 10 years. As I said, maybe he will. But the odds of that happening are longer than winning the national powerball. It's just goofy talk.

In comment 12203526 baadbill said:

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My post wasn't about Eli. It was about Nassib. There is zero basis - as in absolutely zero - for anyone on BBI to base an opinion that Nassib has the capability to replace Eli for the next 10 years. As I said, maybe he will. But the odds of that happening are longer than winning the national powerball. It's just goofy talk.

Well yes, but the Giants' FO is at least treating Nassib as if he is something more than Rhett Bomar or Andre Woodson, so there's that...