I dont trade the #1 pick for one year of Durant. He'd have to commit to extending. And given the sullen relationship he and Westbrook have with the OKC media, I wouldnt trust him to resign w/o a pre-commitment.
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
I dont trade the #1 pick for one year of Durant. He'd have to commit to extending. And given the sullen relationship he and Westbrook have with the OKC media, I wouldnt trust him to resign w/o a pre-commitment.
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
Lebron is consistently dinged the past few seasons, Davis is injury prone. Every player has warts. How many superstars are traded somewhere for one year and bolt? Dwight Howard is the only recent example I can come up with and he was an anomaly and DESPISED Kobe (vice versa)
I dont trade the #1 pick for one year of Durant. He'd have to commit to extending. And given the sullen relationship he and Westbrook have with the OKC media, I wouldnt trust him to resign w/o a pre-commitment.
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
If you are so concerned about the foot why would you want him to commit to extending anyway? Can't have it both ways.
im curious to see what ledo can do. Although just like shved even if he plays well it will just seem like a guy putting up numbers cause someone on the team has to score.
and #1 for durant? Of course you do that, its a no brainer. The foot issue would obviously need to check out.
would trade the #1 for KD if and only if I was convinced KD would re-sign. I'm convinced after watching more of Kentucky that Towns' floor is an above-average version of the most valuable asset class in the NBA - interior defender with talent in all three key defensive areas for bigs (defending P&R, defending post-ups, helping at the rim). A player who can do that and be even a halfway-decent offensive player is, at worst, a top-50 player in the NBA; Towns' ceiling is probably a guy who gets DPOY votes as an above-average offensive center, which is a top-20 player. In a vacuum, I'd rather have Durant than Towns (duh), but I'd probably rather have four cost-controlled years of Towns and four more years of Towns on his pre-RFA extension than one year of Durant with a potential lingering foot issue. It will be a lot easier to build a serious contender on an ongoing basis if that contender has one star-level player on a rookie contract.
And, to be honest, as much as I love Durant, I really want the draft pick. It's been 30 years since the Knicks have been in this position. In my lifetime ('89) the Knicks have never drafted and developed their own franchise centerpiece - not even once.
we all know we cant trade the pick, but nothing stops us from basically having a deal in place, we just cant finalize it until after the pick is made.
Not that it matters, i mean even if OKC makes Durant available i dont see how we can make a deal with basically just the #1 pick. I mean Kevin Love went for basically a couple #1's and Wiggins was though of just as highly or even higher then any of the guys in this draft.
We can't trade the pick. We can draft a player and then trade him.
Depending on what you mean by "we can't trade the pick," that may or may not be true. On CBA FAQ (Larry Coon's site) I see the following restrictions applying:
- Lottery picks cannot be traded from 6:00 PM on the day before the draft lottery until the lottery is complete.
- Teams cannot trade picks in that day's draft on the day of the draft before the pick is made.
- A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade arrangement,.
I can't find what constitutes "immediately" for that last clause. In any case, I don't see any restriction indicating that the Knicks couldn't trade the #1 pick on any day in between the lottery and the draft, excluding the actual lottery date and the actual draft date.
trading the pick. That's why we can still pick the player and then trade him.
Yeah, I remembered about five seconds after hitting Submit, lol.
I love Durant, I just really want to draft a stud and watch him become the type of player that can anchor a contender for a decade. You know, the thing normal teams hope to do after tanking :)
Would you trade the #1 overall pick for Durant if the Thunder made the slim reaper available?
100% no doubt about it. Durant is probably the 3rd best player in the NBA and is still only 26 years old.
Beware the Big Man with the FEET. BEEEEEWARE.
If you could guarantee me that Durant's foot issues won't linger, i'd gladly trade the pick and then some for Durant. I don't even care about the pending contract. If Durant wants to get traded to NY, i'd do it.
But those feet....huge red flag in my eyes. Big men and stinky feet don't mix.
every time the KNicks make a trade they "had to make" the trade blows the fuck up in their face. Every time they hand out a contract that they had to give, it fucks up.
This is the first time in 100 years the Knicks have a shot at a great young rookie. Don't fuck this up. Durant is awesome. He's grounded. He's gifted and he's a winner. And he's also hurt.
Ask yourself why OKC would even think about dealing this guy...actually never mind don't...OKC has fucked shit up too lately.
I just want to see a young talented Kid on the Knicks. We need that here.
Knicks only use up 7 million in cap space and get themselves a young star
Still have around 25 million to sign Monroe and someone else
Would give Knicks one of the best front courts in NBA.
No. cousins isn't clean enough from most accounts. Don't care about the risk involved with the draft. I want to keep the pick.
I'll keep saying it but probably the only way the Knicks can ensure that they field a title team sooner than later is if they keep the pick and hit a HR. Every other option, while "safer" also carries with it less upside--Durant excluded.
Yes, cousins probably is a better player than Oak or Russell or Towns...probably always will be a better player. I don't care. You want a legend? Keep the pick and surround him with the right influences and coach the shit out of him.
The biggest risk is keeping the pick and it could also yield the greatest reward.
Point well taken. But Melos window is closing and closing fast especially with the latest surgery. Is a 19 year old phenom going to mature enough to win a championship?
I am not thinking about Melo. I am thinking about drafting the best player available. I want a kid that will grow with this team and lead this team. With all due respect to Melo who is a great player in his own right, fuck #7. IF the Knicks draft a player with Melo in mind then we are fucked for the next ten years.
Draft the best player. Melo will be ok.
Honestly I would trade Melo for a top ten pick if I could get it. I think he's a great player but I don't think he's a great irreplaceable part and he is getting older. I'd rather lose this agenda that we have to win in 1-2 years and just get as many good young players in here, surround them with good locker room guys and go from there. Melo isn't a problem but he isn't the solution either. I think that's as clear as day.
If they trade Melo, the contract he signed here is no harm no foul and the Knicks at least recoup some of the assets they dealt for Melo in the first place.
I doubt it happens now that Melo is coming off surgery but I am hoping some team looking to win now calls the Knicks on draft night and dangles a decent first rounder. I think you have to do that deal. You shed salary and get another pick. And again, it's not like we would be dealing away a huge locker room leader. Melo is a followed. Not a leader. And i'm not trying to shit on the guy because he's a damn good player. I just don't think he's irreplaceable in the sense of the team. But I will gladly change my tune if Melo is dropping 20 a night for the next few years while this team is winning 55 a year.
If they trade Melo, the contract he signed here is no harm no foul and the Knicks at least recoup some of the assets they dealt for Melo in the first place.
I doubt it happens now that Melo is coming off surgery but I am hoping some team looking to win now calls the Knicks on draft night and dangles a decent first rounder. I think you have to do that deal. You shed salary and get another pick. And again, it's not like we would be dealing away a huge locker room leader. Melo is a followed. Not a leader. And i'm not trying to shit on the guy because he's a damn good player. I just don't think he's irreplaceable in the sense of the team. But I will gladly change my tune if Melo is dropping 20 a night for the next few years while this team is winning 55 a year.
But here is the thing the Knicks do not have a pick next year...
So say you trade Melo for a pick, you cant tank next year losing does nothing for this team...
So you have two 1st round picks on the team great but who is signing here to play with those guys? no one...
The people that say trade Melo fail to realize this, no one is signing here if Melo is gone...
I'd trade #1/2/3 for Durant right now. Haven't we seen this before? You do realize he is a 6'11 guy who just missed a large chunk of the season with a foot injury that he re-aggravated. Cousins is a different story. However I really think the way to go is to get one of the cost controlled stars in this draft. That's how teams build a winner. yes not having our pick next year complicates that process, but having Melo already is a luxury many teams don't have when building up from the bottom so that sort of takes the place of the pick. Use the cap room to sign guys in or heading into their prime (Greg Monroe). I'm sorry I've been down the Antonio McDyess road too many times to fall for Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown again. Now if somehow we drop to #5 then it changes the equation a bit.
Yes, he's an under-the-basket player, but even that type needs two actual knees to elivate on his shot. That just didn't exist this season, ever. There isn't anything I have read about his prognosis which suggests that he won't return to full strength. This isn't a deteriorating structural condition like Amar'e's.
if Oklahoma who is still a title contender when everyone is healthy would be willing to deal one of the best guys on the planet? I mean wouldn't they know his medical records better than anyone? See Amare and the Suns...
in negotiating. There's no need to negotiate with OKC. Knicks pick there player. Durant comes to NY as a FA if he wants to. You keep both players. OKC has zero bargaining power.
Why give them a top five player if you don't have to.
Aldridge piece makes it sound like it's clearly Mudiay as the top guard, not even close to a 50/50 split. Workouts will really be huge this year. Gotta believe Towns is currently #1 overall, Okafor #2 and the guard teams like more #3. Russell is more polished but I hope Phil (IF he believes Mudiay to have more special upside) goes with the best player and not just "we can't waste 2015-2016 with Melo aging".
100% no doubt about it. Durant is probably the 3rd best player in the NBA and is still only 26 years old.
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
Lebron is consistently dinged the past few seasons, Davis is injury prone. Every player has warts. How many superstars are traded somewhere for one year and bolt? Dwight Howard is the only recent example I can come up with and he was an anomaly and DESPISED Kobe (vice versa)
Also, I dont know why anyone is signing up for him give his foot problems. For all we know, his career is effectively in a new, lesser chapter.
If you are so concerned about the foot why would you want him to commit to extending anyway? Can't have it both ways.
and #1 for durant? Of course you do that, its a no brainer. The foot issue would obviously need to check out.
And, to be honest, as much as I love Durant, I really want the draft pick. It's been 30 years since the Knicks have been in this position. In my lifetime ('89) the Knicks have never drafted and developed their own franchise centerpiece - not even once.
We can't trade the pick. We can draft a player and then trade him.
Possible if he comes with a hot tub time machine.
Not that it matters, i mean even if OKC makes Durant available i dont see how we can make a deal with basically just the #1 pick. I mean Kevin Love went for basically a couple #1's and Wiggins was though of just as highly or even higher then any of the guys in this draft.
Depending on what you mean by "we can't trade the pick," that may or may not be true. On CBA FAQ (Larry Coon's site) I see the following restrictions applying:
- Lottery picks cannot be traded from 6:00 PM on the day before the draft lottery until the lottery is complete.
- Teams cannot trade picks in that day's draft on the day of the draft before the pick is made.
- A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade arrangement,.
I can't find what constitutes "immediately" for that last clause. In any case, I don't see any restriction indicating that the Knicks couldn't trade the #1 pick on any day in between the lottery and the draft, excluding the actual lottery date and the actual draft date.
Yeah, I remembered about five seconds after hitting Submit, lol.
I love Durant, I just really want to draft a stud and watch him become the type of player that can anchor a contender for a decade. You know, the thing normal teams hope to do after tanking :)
It is the same thing that happened with the Cavs and Wolves..they had to wait 30 day sbefore deal was official...
Knicks only use up 7 million in cap space and get themselves a young star
Still have around 25 million to sign Monroe and someone else
Would give Knicks one of the best front courts in NBA.
Knicks only use up 7 million in cap space and get themselves a young star
Still have around 25 million to sign Monroe and someone else
Would give Knicks one of the best front courts in NBA.
Isn't that also like 4 players at the most?
Under the cap teams do not have the mid level or mini mid lever...
they only have the room exception at 2.5 million
Vet PG
Danny Green
Melo
Monroe
Cousins
id be ok with a bench consisting of cheap vets. There is no scenario where you build a great starting 5 and deep bench in one offseason.
I expect Aldrich, Early, Shved(if he comes back cheap), Galloway, Thomas, Amundson
I think Phil will try to bring back Jason Smith...
I think THJR ends up being traded for another pick on draft day...
I think they had a vet bench scorer with the 2.5 exception they will have to add to those bench guys...
Not funny.
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Would you trade the #1 overall pick for Durant if the Thunder made the slim reaper available?
100% no doubt about it. Durant is probably the 3rd best player in the NBA and is still only 26 years old.
Beware the Big Man with the FEET. BEEEEEWARE.
If you could guarantee me that Durant's foot issues won't linger, i'd gladly trade the pick and then some for Durant. I don't even care about the pending contract. If Durant wants to get traded to NY, i'd do it.
But those feet....huge red flag in my eyes. Big men and stinky feet don't mix.
This is the first time in 100 years the Knicks have a shot at a great young rookie. Don't fuck this up. Durant is awesome. He's grounded. He's gifted and he's a winner. And he's also hurt.
Ask yourself why OKC would even think about dealing this guy...actually never mind don't...OKC has fucked shit up too lately.
I just want to see a young talented Kid on the Knicks. We need that here.
Knicks only use up 7 million in cap space and get themselves a young star
Still have around 25 million to sign Monroe and someone else
Would give Knicks one of the best front courts in NBA.
No. cousins isn't clean enough from most accounts. Don't care about the risk involved with the draft. I want to keep the pick.
I'll keep saying it but probably the only way the Knicks can ensure that they field a title team sooner than later is if they keep the pick and hit a HR. Every other option, while "safer" also carries with it less upside--Durant excluded.
Yes, cousins probably is a better player than Oak or Russell or Towns...probably always will be a better player. I don't care. You want a legend? Keep the pick and surround him with the right influences and coach the shit out of him.
The biggest risk is keeping the pick and it could also yield the greatest reward.
Draft the best player. Melo will be ok.
Honestly I would trade Melo for a top ten pick if I could get it. I think he's a great player but I don't think he's a great irreplaceable part and he is getting older. I'd rather lose this agenda that we have to win in 1-2 years and just get as many good young players in here, surround them with good locker room guys and go from there. Melo isn't a problem but he isn't the solution either. I think that's as clear as day.
Phil even said the Pick is huge for the future, Free Agency will be how they build a championship team...
If they trade Melo, the contract he signed here is no harm no foul and the Knicks at least recoup some of the assets they dealt for Melo in the first place.
I doubt it happens now that Melo is coming off surgery but I am hoping some team looking to win now calls the Knicks on draft night and dangles a decent first rounder. I think you have to do that deal. You shed salary and get another pick. And again, it's not like we would be dealing away a huge locker room leader. Melo is a followed. Not a leader. And i'm not trying to shit on the guy because he's a damn good player. I just don't think he's irreplaceable in the sense of the team. But I will gladly change my tune if Melo is dropping 20 a night for the next few years while this team is winning 55 a year.
I'd only trade the pick if it brought back a sure fire legend and we didn't have cap space. We have the space to sign that good filler type.
The only real way this team reaches glorious heights is if they nail this pick. You know it. I know it.
If they trade Melo, the contract he signed here is no harm no foul and the Knicks at least recoup some of the assets they dealt for Melo in the first place.
I doubt it happens now that Melo is coming off surgery but I am hoping some team looking to win now calls the Knicks on draft night and dangles a decent first rounder. I think you have to do that deal. You shed salary and get another pick. And again, it's not like we would be dealing away a huge locker room leader. Melo is a followed. Not a leader. And i'm not trying to shit on the guy because he's a damn good player. I just don't think he's irreplaceable in the sense of the team. But I will gladly change my tune if Melo is dropping 20 a night for the next few years while this team is winning 55 a year.
But here is the thing the Knicks do not have a pick next year...
So say you trade Melo for a pick, you cant tank next year losing does nothing for this team...
So you have two 1st round picks on the team great but who is signing here to play with those guys? no one...
The people that say trade Melo fail to realize this, no one is signing here if Melo is gone...
Melo is doing the recruiting not Phil
I'm nervous that Melo won't be the same player following surgery.
I'm nervous that Melo won't be the same player following surgery.
I am not worried about that for one reason, Melo's game is not based on athleticism...he is an under the basket type of player....
And even when he was hurt this year, its not like he was absolutely terrible...
Yes, he's an under-the-basket player, but even that type needs two actual knees to elivate on his shot. That just didn't exist this season, ever. There isn't anything I have read about his prognosis which suggests that he won't return to full strength. This isn't a deteriorating structural condition like Amar'e's.
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Why give them a top five player if you don't have to.
Yeah... I think Muiday's elite level athleticism is tipping the scale his way.