Why are we so darn dramatic in here?

that have very strong opinions about the team. And with any issue where people have strong opinions, you have a good number that are always critical, and some who are always optimistic. The two sides both think the other ones are ignorant.

It's been my observation that the off season brings a lot more of this because there is no proof to show either side is right or wrong. FA signings can't be supported now as either good or bad since there are no on-field results, so people cling to their own opinions like life rafts. During the year the on-field results tend to keep one side or the other more quiet - at least week to week.

There are a lot of good posters posting a lot of good stuff now, but by and large most of those get buried in "this whole front office has to go, they have no idea what they are doing" or "everyone of these signings is a brilliant stroke of genius done by guys much smarter than all of us."

The site is just a microcosm of society as it is today. Back in the nineties people actually spoke the English language here. Personal attacks happened but they were not prevalent as they are these days.

When I respond to a thread i take the thread on face value. Some here keep a dauceay of peoples past performances and delight in bashing the OP when he inadvertently posts something that is a perceived contradiction.

Its still a great site but posting something here is like walking through a bad part of town wearing hundred dollar bills on your suit

In comment 12198616 Fast Eddie said:

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The site is just a microcosm of society as it is today. Back in the nineties people actually spoke the English language here. Personal attacks happened but they were not prevalent as they are these days. When I respond to a thread i take the thread on face value. Some here keep a dauceay of peoples past performances and delight in bashing the OP when he inadvertently posts something that is a perceived contradiction. Its still a great site but posting something here is like walking through a bad part of town wearing hundred dollar bills on your suit

Don't want to start an argument ;), but I remember Pete's Corner being a regular brawl.

The thing that bugs me is someone will post an opinion, and the next poster will call him an idiot. Why is poster number 2's opinion more valuable and better? It really makes you think twice about posting anything. There is nothing wrong with saying my opinion is, I think there is a big problem with "you're an idiot, no f****ing way, and "whats wrong with you don't you watch football".

no attacking, great points, civil conversation. Why ?

In comment 12198616 Fast Eddie said:

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The site is just a microcosm of society as it is today. Back in the nineties people actually spoke the English language here. Personal attacks happened but they were not prevalent as they are these days. When I respond to a thread i take the thread on face value. Some here keep a dauceay of peoples past performances and delight in bashing the OP when he inadvertently posts something that is a perceived contradiction. Its still a great site but posting something here is like walking through a bad part of town wearing hundred dollar bills on your suit

No way.

Don't get me wrong, I sometimes pine for the 'good old days' when you could type in any handle you wanted, there were flame wars on a daily basis, psychotic posters stalked other posters, and all that- but to imply that it was somehow more civil?

No way.

It's a 'look at me, look at me' world now...sadly.

need I say more?

And if you don't like it G F Y........just kidding

All those years at Albany camp, i dont remember meeting a more congenial group. Of course I'm not a big drinker so i never got to see what went on after the sun went down with you hooligans he he

Everything is at the touch of an iPhone these days. Everything but the ability to change another persons opinion. When you accompany that with the fact that most people aren't that smart, you get shouting matches.

comedians.

is a learned art. Most here haven't learned it.

said, if we met him in realy life we would think:

"how is that guy such a freak on BBI"?

this is a place to vent and throw paint at the wall"

See to me he nailed the answer to your question.

Now, I really don't have a problem with the radical opinions or the dramatics; it's a sports site.

My only complaint is the "argumentative" nature of some posters, which was addressed by the OP.

Argumentative and insulting responses to my posts bring out the competitive nature in me that motivates me to strike back.

The result, I get involved in an idiotic verbal sparring match which I do not have the time for.

I long for the old BBI, where I could casually make a comment, and if it was stupid or not well thought out, no one cared; they just ignored it and moved on.

But I agree with Eric, the tone has been better here lately, maybe posters with the internet courage are seeing they are not appreciated on BBI.

and fewer bold assertions. You just might learn something. It's OK to not know or even be wrong if you're willing to learn and grow from it.

is that the site hadn't been around as long, the arguments were just as lively but typically stuck to football. Now after 20 years, a number of posters practically LIVE on this forum, which breeds comfort and familiarity with others and their histories and being an a-hole, at times.

hehehe

and firm opinions(aka 'ego?') let's comments get testy; likewise with our political or social issue perspectives.
BBI is a safe sounding board, and though I've only been on a short time, but log enough to draw a safe conclusion, I believe that as personal as we let the subject matter get to us, I find very few consistent wranglings between 2 disagreeing BBIers.
We pee into each others pot, then we kick our own pot over, empty it out, and pee into it ourselves.
The key is, we are passionate about the Giants. If this was the PATRIOTS blog, with their apparent lack of weaknesses the last 15 years,a) it'd be boring, b)they would be arguing about TB's hair style or some minutia, c) they would be talking out of their butts and fellating at the same time.

and ask to take a picture with me


for the interwebs

In comment 12198630 PatersonPlank said:

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The thing that bugs me is someone will post an opinion, and the next poster will call him an idiot. Why is poster number 2's opinion more valuable and better? It really makes you think twice about posting anything. There is nothing wrong with saying my opinion is, I think there is a big problem with "you're an idiot, no f****ing way, and "whats wrong with you don't you watch football".

I agree with this completely, I have been here since Pete's Corner and have had my head ripped off for not being a nitty gritty X's and O's guy. I am a life long Giants fan but I am not invested to the point as some people on here. I have learned a lot by just reading and very very rarely posting. Simply because I don't study the cap or know all the nuances of a west coast style offense puts me at risk of a beheading if I say something wrong.

which results in people being exponentially more dramatic in order to try to achieve that.

With each and every offseason
dep026 : 8:52 am : link : reply
I am more pleased with the results.


What?

And what facts do you have to support your 40% allegation as well, no less than it doubles with off-topic threads?






:-)

In real life, they'd be much nicer and kind than their online personas. I don't really get why people hate other people here. It's a freaking sports forum. Most of us are complete strangers.

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Don't get me wrong, I sometimes pine for the 'good old days' when you could type in any handle you wanted, there were flame wars on a daily basis, psychotic posters stalked other posters, and all that- but to imply that it was somehow more civil?

Those were crazy times, where people would use others' handles in order to start trouble and there was no way of knowing who it was, which meant you could post anything and relinquish ownership by saying someone was impersonating you.

Ah, the good old days...

In comment 12198858 Doomster said:

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With each and every offseason dep026 : 8:52 am : link : reply I am more pleased with the results. What?

What's so hard to understand? You dont change a bad team to SB contenders in on year. While everyone wants to sign high Free Agents amd hit all 7 draft picks, its unrealistic.

Whether people want to believe it or not, the Giants have done things right the last few offseasons. Our drafting seems better, we arent signing the most expensive free agents, we are making changes on the coaching staff that needed to be change.

You look at what we got on offense:
Franchise QB
Three running backs who all bring something to the table
A star WR, a WR who has been amazing in years past (please get healthy. and anotehr WR who has shown flashes of being very good.
A TE who got immensely better from the year before
4 offensive lineman that are set: Beatty, Richburg, Schrwatz, Pugh. While they all might not be great, if healthy they will provide to be adequate.

Defensively we have issues... but...
JPP is very good
Hankins was very good last year
DRC/Prince is an excellent combo
Kennard showed flashes of being very good.

Now we need safety and a few LBs.... but you cant have all-rpos every year. If we continue to draft well and spend wisely.... we will be contending soon enough.

In comment 12198503 Eric from BBI said:

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That's just the nature of people ... at least people today ... look at politics, social issues, etc. I actually think there has a been a huge upswing in the quality and number of football posts the last few weeks.

Agree with Eric - I have been close to (gulp) just going back to NYG's team board due to the drama and sometimes flat out ignorant responses from many posters here at BBI. However, as Eric mentioned, the talk the last 3-4 weeks has actually been great to read. I dont post alot, but alot of the pure football stuff and less drama here lately has been great source of my social media nyg fix

In comment 12198871 Post Time said:

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Quote: Don't get me wrong, I sometimes pine for the 'good old days' when you could type in any handle you wanted, there were flame wars on a daily basis, psychotic posters stalked other posters, and all that- but to imply that it was somehow more civil? Those were crazy times, where people would use others' handles in order to start trouble and there was no way of knowing who it was, which meant you could post anything and relinquish ownership by saying someone was impersonating you. Ah, the good old days...

I really don't remember where it was common for people to use another posters regular handle. I do remember many times where people used a variety of dupes and some of those because of their joking nature would be used by multiple people and of course there was zero control or rules regarding who and what would be posted, but there seemed to be a unwritten rule which mostly was followed where people didn't take over other regulars identities. Not saying it never happened but it wasn't any sort of problem to deal with. Of course it was a much smaller community then.

in 2001. It quickly became a problem.

''I think if you met most people on this site
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11:33 am : link : reply
In real life, they'd be much nicer and kind than their online personas. I don't really get why people hate other people here. It's a freaking sports forum. Most of us are complete strangers.''


for one example, I really do love SanFran,







even though he is a radical leftist


(JOKE, you mids, hahahahaha, JOKE)

In comment 12198870 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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In real life, they'd be much nicer and kind than their online personas. I don't really get why people hate other people here. It's a freaking sports forum. Most of us are complete strangers.

Real hate is as rare as true love. Disagreement, yes; frustration with unclear thinking, yes; hate, that's sickness.

I think you refer to people keeping a DOSSIER on other posters.
I believe they do.

In comment 12198904 JonC said:
I am probably thinking of much earlier than 2001. I think I was mostly on a BBI break around the beginning of the login period. I registered when it happened but wasn't coming around much just then so I guess I missed that wave.

from BBI as I usually get turned off by all the name calling and immaturity that seems to run rampant at times. However, I always come back because if your a hard core Giants fan and really want to hear from people who know a great deal about football I don't know where else you go.

In comment 12198923 steve in ky said:

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In comment 12198904 JonC said: I am probably thinking of much earlier than 2001. I think I was mostly on a BBI break around the beginning of the login period. I registered when it happened but wasn't coming around much just then so I guess I missed that wave.

Things got really wild here during the bad seasons of '98 and '99. Cooled off in '00, rinse repeat.

Good question.

Probably because there are a few Keyboard Cowboys who are a little deranged, but who would have enough common sense (and fear) to never says the things they do in a face to face chat.

It's the anonymity that brings out the worst in people.

In comment 12198985 JonC said:

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In comment 12198923 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 12198904 JonC said: I am probably thinking of much earlier than 2001. I think I was mostly on a BBI break around the beginning of the login period. I registered when it happened but wasn't coming around much just then so I guess I missed that wave. Things got really wild here during the bad seasons of '98 and '99. Cooled off in '00, rinse repeat.

The worst moment of the forum I recall was when Eric was away on his honeymoon and Pete had to return to "Pete's Corner" to clean up the threads.

And perhaps I did dramatized a bit with my figures. I will have to go back and check my numbers to ascertain if my original premise is sound or not

I know you're not new here. lol

I just think people are way too sensitive and if someone disagrees with their post you immediately get "F**K YOU!"

I admit to being mostly a reader as I don't know the nuances of the game like a lot of you but it gets ridiculous. Though my handle may not say so I've been on here for 20 years (Eric can attest to that) and it gets worse and worse.

That being said, I do agree that the conversations around this FA and upcoming draft have been more meaningful than in years past. I hope it keeps up.

over the wait and see how it unfolds, Reese knows best, 2 SBs rings equally vacuous but less passionate defenses of all things Giants put forth by many here.

In comment 12199159 chris r said:

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over the wait and see how it unfolds, Reese knows best, 2 SBs rings equally vacuous but less passionate defenses of all things Giants put forth by many here.

I agree.

In comment 12198511 dep026 said:

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I am more pleased with the results. I am loving not signing good talent elite money. Or average talent good money. We have a lot of holes on this team. So far we have improved: - pass catching/protection RB - Upgraded our return game - Improved our LB core - Run stuffing DT - Another edge pass rusher Now does it mean all these guys are pro bowlers? Absolutely not. But guys like Kiwi, Rolle, Williams, etc were bad players. I have faith in Reese that the talent he brought in will improve our team. Have another strong draft, and it wont be long before we are in the postseason again.

aaah, Dep, Dep, Dep...
How f'ing convenient of you to leave out the Oline. :>)

Eli Manning will LITERALLY die on the football field.

Or so I've heard.

Eli supposed to have died last season since we only signed guys like Charles Brown, JD Walton, Jerry, and Snyder in addition to not immediately cutting Beatty and Brewer or drafting Martin. This must be zombie Eli who's on the roster, right?

In comment 12199146 Steve L said:

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I know you're not new here. lol I just think people are way too sensitive and if someone disagrees with their post you immediately get "F**K YOU!" I admit to being mostly a reader as I don't know the nuances of the game like a lot of you but it gets ridiculous. Though my handle may not say so I've been on here for 20 years (Eric can attest to that) and it gets worse and worse. That being said, I do agree that the conversations around this FA and upcoming draft have been more meaningful than in years past. I hope it keeps up.

My favorite is when you call someone on their bullshit (without profanity, mind you) and their immediate response is "fuck your Mother!". Class act, all the way, baby.

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There is to much drama that is uncalled for in most cases. The site has improved quite a bit from last year and the year before.

pedantics here that simply never received enough attention during their formative years and this, among other places on the web, has become a platform for these squeaky wheels.

In comment 12199664 Stufftherun said:

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pedantics here that simply never received enough attention during their formative years and this, among other places on the web, has become a platform for these squeaky wheels.

Sounds pretty pedantic.

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