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Not sure about you guys, but I'm starting to think the Mets should consider dipping into their hitting depth to trade for some pitching.
it's Spring Training...but the Mets are one of the top teams in Spring Training this year and have the second highest positive run differential in the entire league.
Again, I know it's only spring training but that's the type of positive trend I'd like to continue to see!
is back to being available. He was pretty good last year. Rangers just cut him.
Beimel is 38 years old in 3 weeks and has had arguably the worst spring of any pitcher in all of baseball 3 innings 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed)
To 2 innings as being a ridiculously small sample?? 3 innings is fine though? ;)
He was ridiculously effective last year in a very tough division. He was one of the best Loogys in baseball last year period.
#1 you said Huchingson was so good in the playoffs. I didn't make the claim. I said 2 innings was an insanely small sample size to say he was good
#2 He wasn't "ridiculously effective". He had a 4.18 FIP and didn't miss any bats. You kept stressing how Cotts was injury prone.. Biemel didn't even appear in a game for 3 years. He's more than likely finished. The Rangers dumped him without even having a second lefty. They are trying to trade for one. They are paying Biemel 167,000 to walk away. That's how bad he looked.
luck relying on any 38 year old who struck out 25 in 45 innings in his "good" season and walked nearly 3/9. Disaster waiting to happen. In fact, he was so great he didn't even have a team until 3/6.... a non-guaranteed deal. Why was he still available on 3/6 if he was "so good" last year? It's because he wasn't and he sucks.
First of all I was pretty much yanking your chain.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
And personally I don't give a shit how old he is. Â
First of all I was pretty much yanking your chain.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
1. he was ATROCIOUS so yes 3 innings for a guy soon to be 38 is worth noting. He wasn't "iffy" if Matt Harvey's first 3 innings included 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed) it would be sheer pandemonium. If Familia or Mejia did that odds are their roster spot would be in question.
2. He was available 2 weeks ago for a reason, he signed a non-guaranteed deal for a reason, and the Rangers are letting him go (despite no other 2nd lefty) for 167,000 for a reason. Clearly they disagree with you.
3. I'm not sure if you are purposely being obtuse or not but this is now the second time I have explained to you that Cotts career numbers are silly to cite as he got hurt and didn't appear in the bigs from age 29 until 33. The past 2 seasons Cotts has appeared in 131 games (aka not "injury prone" as you keep mentioning) with a sparkling 2.93 FIP, 9.3 K/9.
Lefties hit Cotts for a sweet .204 clip in 2013, 2014 they hit him better but his overall line was would still make him one of the best relievers in the Mets pen 3.58 FIP, 8.5 K/9. Excuse for for pointing out an actual good reliever that the Mets could have afforded that they passed on. I guess actual turds are the only ones worth mentioning on here?
curious why Neal Cotts got 3 million in January while Beimel had to settle for a non-guaranteed deal in March. Seems strange if they are equal options don't you think?
RE: And personally I don't give a shit how old he is. Â
did the Rangers release him so quickly? They openly are looking for another lefty. Strange don't you think?
"The Rangers have talked to Miami about lefty relief pitching and will continue to scour the market, but is prepared to go with right-hander Shawn Tolleson as a secondary option against left-handed hitters.
“I’m not going to focus on what we don’t have,” Banister said. “I’m going to focus on what we have here and how we can attack left-handed hitters.”
Beimel could not attack lefties well in his 17-day audition. He was completely defenseless against right-handers. Lefties were 3-for-6 while right-handed hitters went 10-for-16 (.625)."
First of all I was pretty much yanking your chain.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
1. he was ATROCIOUS so yes 3 innings for a guy soon to be 38 is worth noting. He wasn't "iffy" if Matt Harvey's first 3 innings included 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed) it would be sheer pandemonium. If Familia or Mejia did that odds are their roster spot would be in question.
2. He was available 2 weeks ago for a reason, he signed a non-guaranteed deal for a reason, and the Rangers are letting him go (despite no other 2nd lefty) for 167,000 for a reason. Clearly they disagree with you.
3. I'm not sure if you are purposely being obtuse or not but this is now the second time I have explained to you that Cotts career numbers are silly to cite as he got hurt and didn't appear in the bigs from age 29 until 33. The past 2 seasons Cotts has appeared in 131 games (aka not "injury prone" as you keep mentioning) with a sparkling 2.93 FIP, 9.3 K/9.
Lefties hit Cotts for a sweet .204 clip in 2013, 2014 they hit him better but his overall line was would still make him one of the best relievers in the Mets pen 3.58 FIP, 8.5 K/9. Excuse for for pointing out an actual good reliever that the Mets could have afforded that they passed on. I guess actual turds are the only ones worth mentioning on here?
Lol.
1.) Yes he was bad in three innings. Still doesn't change the fact that he was good against lefties last year as a LOOGY for the WHOLE season and we are talking about a minor league deal here.
2.) He was available two weeks ago like Coke and a million other LOOGYS.
3.) Find where I am saying Cotts is injury prone once again? Huh? I haven't mentioned him being injury prone at all except one time a while back because he was for a while. Nice job going back to 2013 to prove your point. Beimel was better than Cotts last year against Lefties. Period. Thats my only point. Personally, I don't like either of them. And if my choices are Cotts for 3 million or Beimel for nothing yes I might think about. Personally, II think they both suck.
you are seriously making this a Beimel debate? Lol. Like Im campaigning for the great Joe Bemiel now?? get out of here. I could give two shits about Beimel. lol
Beimel was thought to be a likely target as somebody that was going to be released long before his bad three innings. The Rangers were almost never expected to keep him unless he WOWed them.
isn't good either but he's probably better than anyone the Mets currently have and yeah the fact he's "only" 32 leads one to believe he can bounce back more than a 38 year old. In fact, considering his spring numbers (5 innings 2 hits 5 k's 0 runs) I'd suggest you would be raving about how good he's looked if he were with the Mets.
Beimel was thought to be a likely target as somebody that was going to be released long before his bad three innings. The Rangers were almost never expected to keep him unless he WOWed them.
They weren't likely to keep him? Since when? They were hoping to pair him with Claudio and currently claim they won't even have a second lefty (yes have spoken to the Marlins about both Dunn and Hand). They wanted Beimel to be their second lefty. it didn't work out. They didn't give away 167,000 for 2 weeks just "for fun".
I roll with Gilmartin and don't look back. He's got some nice control and some nice offerings. I don't think we can really carry two lefties early in the season anyway so the rest go to AAA and we see how they do.
Most of these guys released are going to be junk(might be interested in them on minor league deals) but maybe a Freidrich or somebody like that becomes available. Most of these vets aren't worth taking up a spot that could go to Alvarez or Gilmartin though.
And Matusz isn't that great either. Sorry. Not for 3 million + prospects.
Beimel was thought to be a likely target as somebody that was going to be released long before his bad three innings. The Rangers were almost never expected to keep him unless he WOWed them.
They weren't likely to keep him? Since when? They were hoping to pair him with Claudio and currently claim they won't even have a second lefty (yes have spoken to the Marlins about both Dunn and Hand). They wanted Beimel to be their second lefty. it didn't work out. They didn't give away 167,000 for 2 weeks just "for fun".
Ive read for weeks now Beimel was a possible release candidate when teams were trimming down to 25. He was signed weeks ago? Oh wow. 167,000? Just about every player invited to camp on a minor league deal will make at least that if they get called up for even one game.
Could give two shits about Joe Beimel. It started off messing with you, and yeah he was pretty good against lefties last year so maybe an intriguing minor league option I was pointing out but to make a whole debate about this is asinine. Nobody needs to convince me that joe Beimel is some great player. lol. Goodnight!
bad spring training innings either. lol That's hilariously bad. Comical. Still three innings though. Maybe his dog died and he's having a rough week. lol
I guess it's a great sign the Mets have taken a huge step forward when all we can debate is the 25th man/loogy on the roster. No matter who opens the season as the pens lone lefty - he's going to be bottom of the barrel. If given the choice between a real good righty or a crappy lefty - I'd rather no lefties in the pen personally.
There is the potential for major friction this season between Terry Collins and Sandy Alderson, writes columnist John Harper (Daily News, Mar. 24).
According to Harper, Collins has been more vocal than usual this spring, either expressing frustration with the roster (left-handed relievers), disagreeing with Alderson or not being on the same page with his front office, such as seeming unaware of elbow issues (Zack Wheeler), potential surgeries (Josh Edgin) and demotions (Noah Syndegraard).
is, wouldn't the Mets have to be pretty bad for Collins to be fired in-season? I mean even those of you who are really optimistic are saying 84-85 wins, so if they are on track to be .500 or 1-2 games over are they really pulling the plug on Collins in-season? I find that very hard to believe.
I'd advise Collins to back off. He has not become Joe Torre in NY. Most Met fans I know are at best ambivalent about Collins and most don't like him. Winning will not save him
fire Collins last offseason after having losing seasons every year that he was manager? The Mets don't owe Collins anything. He's been paid a nice salary and he wasn't exactly in demand by other teams. Amazes me that he's running his mouth to the org this spring.
Now that we've decided to roll with Collins, I agree with Dan that it's hard to see him getting fired in-season unless things go horribly bad.
I think there are a handful of reasons Collins didn't get fired Â
1. Money - they didn't want to spend more of it. They certainly didn't want to spend as much of it as the Cubs spent on Maddon considering that turned out to be more than their entire offseason budget
2. Control - Sandy is not a huge believer in the manager being a critical piece of the team, and he wasn't looking to give someone more autonomy with the roster than whatever Collins has (which isn't very much). Even a more outspoken type like Backman would takeaway some element of control just by virtue of personality.
3. Loyalty - it seemed like a nice idea to give Collins one more chance since he's never truly had a roster with a chance to compete.
Regardless, i'm not a huge believer in managers making a big difference, but the "outspoken" version of Terry Collins is the primary reason I don't like him. The vibe I've always gotten from his quotes is the exact opposite of a "no excuses" mentality. The players do seem to play reasonably hard for him though, so hopefully it all works out. If they don't have a better start to season than they've had the last few years I believe he will get canned before Memorial Day.
Been saying this for a year now about Sandy and Collins. It seems Collins has backed off the Flores stuff majorly so maybe he's finally getting it but I have a feeling Terry is going to piss Sandy off in some other manner before long.
For sure Eric. The Mets have one of the most expensive front offices in baseball though. If they felt a manager was the right fit, I'm betting they would spend. As we know, Sandy really didn't want Collins back. We heard all offseason the front office was split, they dragged his re-signing on for weeks. Now we know the players saved his job. That's actually pretty telling that the players think that highly of him. I guess that's his one big selling point.
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
RE: Can anyone give their opinion on what Terry Collins actually brings Â
to the team? I don't look at him as some upper-level strategist, and this isn't a team that has a lot of egos to manage.
On a day-to-day basis, it appears that he's good at talking to players and making sure they are ready to play reach day. A lot of teams go completely into the tank after falling a little bit below .500, and to Collins' credit, the Mets havnt.
On the other hand, I think he's a poor in-game strategist, particularly regarding bullpen usage, and he also is biased toward certain players and plays favorites despite either results or the larger picture dictating a different course. Regarding the latter, it looks like Sandy is willing to step in when necessary, so this might not be too big of a deal.
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
Ceiling is yet to be determined. Personally I have very few pitchers I consider "1's" but deGrom looks pretty special. I'd actually take him over Syndergaard or Wheeler (even healthy Wheeler). I wouldn't be blown away if deGrom ends up a top 20-30 starter in all of baseball. I'd say his health/durability will be a major thing to note. I'd argue deGrom is closer to Harvey 2.0 than Thor is deGrom 2.0. I think odds are Thor is 3rd out of that trio.
For sure Eric. The Mets have one of the most expensive front offices in baseball though. If they felt a manager was the right fit, I'm betting they would spend. As we know, Sandy really didn't want Collins back. We heard all offseason the front office was split, they dragged his re-signing on for weeks. Now we know the players saved his job. That's actually pretty telling that the players think that highly of him. I guess that's his one big selling point.
Joe Maddon would have been a PERFECT fit. He's all about the analytics. Price 100% came into play there. I have 0 doubt
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
DeGrom's ceiling IMO is a guy who will get Cy Young votes. His stuff is legitimately nasty and he has 3-4 pitches that he throws at a plus level. Combine that with good control, and you have the makings of an elite starter.
The question mark about him is that he has a very short track record of bigtime minor league success, and outpitched his minors results in MLB. It's a lot to ask him to just pick up where he left off last year and expecting some regression isn't unreasonable.
He's one of the most interesting guys to watch on the team this year. By the time we get to mid-May, we're going to have a lot of valuable information on both Harvey and DeGrom.
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Not sure about you guys, but I'm starting to think the Mets should consider dipping into their hitting depth to trade for some pitching.
Again, I know it's only spring training but that's the type of positive trend I'd like to continue to see!
Beimel is 38 years old in 3 weeks and has had arguably the worst spring of any pitcher in all of baseball 3 innings 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed)
I highly doubt it means nothing...but maybe you would feel better if they were bottom of the barrel in spring training also.
He was ridiculously effective last year in a very tough division. He was one of the best Loogys in baseball last year period.
He was ridiculously effective last year in a very tough division. He was one of the best Loogys in baseball last year period.
#1 you said Huchingson was so good in the playoffs. I didn't make the claim. I said 2 innings was an insanely small sample size to say he was good
#2 He wasn't "ridiculously effective". He had a 4.18 FIP and didn't miss any bats. You kept stressing how Cotts was injury prone.. Biemel didn't even appear in a game for 3 years. He's more than likely finished. The Rangers dumped him without even having a second lefty. They are trying to trade for one. They are paying Biemel 167,000 to walk away. That's how bad he looked.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
I have an affinity for Scott Downs now? I mentioned him and about 5 other pitchers that might be pitchers released soon. That = affinity for? OK.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
1. he was ATROCIOUS so yes 3 innings for a guy soon to be 38 is worth noting. He wasn't "iffy" if Matt Harvey's first 3 innings included 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed) it would be sheer pandemonium. If Familia or Mejia did that odds are their roster spot would be in question.
2. He was available 2 weeks ago for a reason, he signed a non-guaranteed deal for a reason, and the Rangers are letting him go (despite no other 2nd lefty) for 167,000 for a reason. Clearly they disagree with you.
3. I'm not sure if you are purposely being obtuse or not but this is now the second time I have explained to you that Cotts career numbers are silly to cite as he got hurt and didn't appear in the bigs from age 29 until 33. The past 2 seasons Cotts has appeared in 131 games (aka not "injury prone" as you keep mentioning) with a sparkling 2.93 FIP, 9.3 K/9.
Lefties hit Cotts for a sweet .204 clip in 2013, 2014 they hit him better but his overall line was would still make him one of the best relievers in the Mets pen 3.58 FIP, 8.5 K/9. Excuse for for pointing out an actual good reliever that the Mets could have afforded that they passed on. I guess actual turds are the only ones worth mentioning on here?
He sucks.
"The Rangers have talked to Miami about lefty relief pitching and will continue to scour the market, but is prepared to go with right-hander Shawn Tolleson as a secondary option against left-handed hitters.
“I’m not going to focus on what we don’t have,” Banister said. “I’m going to focus on what we have here and how we can attack left-handed hitters.”
Beimel could not attack lefties well in his 17-day audition. He was completely defenseless against right-handers. Lefties were 3-for-6 while right-handed hitters went 10-for-16 (.625)."
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First of all I was pretty much yanking your chain.
Second of all you seriously don't see the analogy between you telling me 2 innings was a small sample to call somebody good(I agreed) and me telling you 3 is too small a sample for you to tell me his bad.
Third. Overall FIP?? Seriously? We are talking about a LOOGY. How did he do against LEFT-HANDERS. Ill tell you. Better than Cotts. A guy who you pined for all offseason who has reverse splits btw.
Geez. I only brought him up as somebody who may be interesting on like a minor league deal. In no way shape or form do I think Joe Beimel is the savior. lol.
1. he was ATROCIOUS so yes 3 innings for a guy soon to be 38 is worth noting. He wasn't "iffy" if Matt Harvey's first 3 innings included 13 hits 2 walks 11 ER (3 homers allowed) it would be sheer pandemonium. If Familia or Mejia did that odds are their roster spot would be in question.
2. He was available 2 weeks ago for a reason, he signed a non-guaranteed deal for a reason, and the Rangers are letting him go (despite no other 2nd lefty) for 167,000 for a reason. Clearly they disagree with you.
3. I'm not sure if you are purposely being obtuse or not but this is now the second time I have explained to you that Cotts career numbers are silly to cite as he got hurt and didn't appear in the bigs from age 29 until 33. The past 2 seasons Cotts has appeared in 131 games (aka not "injury prone" as you keep mentioning) with a sparkling 2.93 FIP, 9.3 K/9.
Lefties hit Cotts for a sweet .204 clip in 2013, 2014 they hit him better but his overall line was would still make him one of the best relievers in the Mets pen 3.58 FIP, 8.5 K/9. Excuse for for pointing out an actual good reliever that the Mets could have afforded that they passed on. I guess actual turds are the only ones worth mentioning on here?
Lol.
1.) Yes he was bad in three innings. Still doesn't change the fact that he was good against lefties last year as a LOOGY for the WHOLE season and we are talking about a minor league deal here.
2.) He was available two weeks ago like Coke and a million other LOOGYS.
3.) Find where I am saying Cotts is injury prone once again? Huh? I haven't mentioned him being injury prone at all except one time a while back because he was for a while. Nice job going back to 2013 to prove your point. Beimel was better than Cotts last year against Lefties. Period. Thats my only point. Personally, I don't like either of them. And if my choices are Cotts for 3 million or Beimel for nothing yes I might think about. Personally, II think they both suck.
They weren't likely to keep him? Since when? They were hoping to pair him with Claudio and currently claim they won't even have a second lefty (yes have spoken to the Marlins about both Dunn and Hand). They wanted Beimel to be their second lefty. it didn't work out. They didn't give away 167,000 for 2 weeks just "for fun".
Most of these guys released are going to be junk(might be interested in them on minor league deals) but maybe a Freidrich or somebody like that becomes available. Most of these vets aren't worth taking up a spot that could go to Alvarez or Gilmartin though.
And Matusz isn't that great either. Sorry. Not for 3 million + prospects.
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Beimel was thought to be a likely target as somebody that was going to be released long before his bad three innings. The Rangers were almost never expected to keep him unless he WOWed them.
They weren't likely to keep him? Since when? They were hoping to pair him with Claudio and currently claim they won't even have a second lefty (yes have spoken to the Marlins about both Dunn and Hand). They wanted Beimel to be their second lefty. it didn't work out. They didn't give away 167,000 for 2 weeks just "for fun".
Ive read for weeks now Beimel was a possible release candidate when teams were trimming down to 25. He was signed weeks ago? Oh wow. 167,000? Just about every player invited to camp on a minor league deal will make at least that if they get called up for even one game.
According to Harper, Collins has been more vocal than usual this spring, either expressing frustration with the roster (left-handed relievers), disagreeing with Alderson or not being on the same page with his front office, such as seeming unaware of elbow issues (Zack Wheeler), potential surgeries (Josh Edgin) and demotions (Noah Syndegraard).
(In season gotta believe Geren would get the job)
Now that we've decided to roll with Collins, I agree with Dan that it's hard to see him getting fired in-season unless things go horribly bad.
2. Control - Sandy is not a huge believer in the manager being a critical piece of the team, and he wasn't looking to give someone more autonomy with the roster than whatever Collins has (which isn't very much). Even a more outspoken type like Backman would takeaway some element of control just by virtue of personality.
3. Loyalty - it seemed like a nice idea to give Collins one more chance since he's never truly had a roster with a chance to compete.
Regardless, i'm not a huge believer in managers making a big difference, but the "outspoken" version of Terry Collins is the primary reason I don't like him. The vibe I've always gotten from his quotes is the exact opposite of a "no excuses" mentality. The players do seem to play reasonably hard for him though, so hopefully it all works out. If they don't have a better start to season than they've had the last few years I believe he will get canned before Memorial Day.
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
On a day-to-day basis, it appears that he's good at talking to players and making sure they are ready to play reach day. A lot of teams go completely into the tank after falling a little bit below .500, and to Collins' credit, the Mets havnt.
On the other hand, I think he's a poor in-game strategist, particularly regarding bullpen usage, and he also is biased toward certain players and plays favorites despite either results or the larger picture dictating a different course. Regarding the latter, it looks like Sandy is willing to step in when necessary, so this might not be too big of a deal.
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
Ceiling is yet to be determined. Personally I have very few pitchers I consider "1's" but deGrom looks pretty special. I'd actually take him over Syndergaard or Wheeler (even healthy Wheeler). I wouldn't be blown away if deGrom ends up a top 20-30 starter in all of baseball. I'd say his health/durability will be a major thing to note. I'd argue deGrom is closer to Harvey 2.0 than Thor is deGrom 2.0. I think odds are Thor is 3rd out of that trio.
Joe Maddon would have been a PERFECT fit. He's all about the analytics. Price 100% came into play there. I have 0 doubt
What is his ceiling? It seems obvious if he stays healthy that he is at minimum a middle of the rotation somewhat better than 500 starter.
Does he have the stuff combined with the command to be really special in the same way we think of our top 3 or 4 (you know who I am talking about) pitching prospects?
DeGrom's ceiling IMO is a guy who will get Cy Young votes. His stuff is legitimately nasty and he has 3-4 pitches that he throws at a plus level. Combine that with good control, and you have the makings of an elite starter.
The question mark about him is that he has a very short track record of bigtime minor league success, and outpitched his minors results in MLB. It's a lot to ask him to just pick up where he left off last year and expecting some regression isn't unreasonable.
He's one of the most interesting guys to watch on the team this year. By the time we get to mid-May, we're going to have a lot of valuable information on both Harvey and DeGrom.
#Mets unlikely to pursue Joe Beimel
The team isn’t as sure about Vic Black.
Murphy has been nursing a sort right hamstring, while Black has had multiple setbacks due to shoulder tendinitis.