If the Giants selected one of them at #9 who should it be and why?
Last week this question was answered about the WR position in the thread linked below.
Try to post as un-biased as possible looking at the upside & downside of the player(s).
The only guy I'm nervous about is Peat who is supposed to not have that nasty disposition that I believe is required for a real good Olineman. (Think Beatty.)
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Just an opinion.
Big kid with excellent lateral agility and is a mean SOB. Everyone talks about Scherff's mean streak. (And if Andrew Siciliano calls him sheriff one more time, I swear I'll fly out to LA and tape his ears back.)
Watching him move on tape reminds me of young DBrick in his prime. Scherff to me gets beat a lot in pass protection. Think Iupati here. Great on the run. Meh against edge rushers.
All will be gone by pick 25.
I'm still tripped out by how of shape he was at the combine. If he was that gassed (and I do mean gassed), how will hold up when grown men on PEDs are whoopin' his ass for a full 60 minutes. Soft body type, too.
Scherff is the best football player of the bunch with Collins close behind imo.
Scherff has All Pro potential at LG and RT imo. He has prototypical traits for both positions(6'5/320#/33.5AL/11"H) and is the most powerful O-Line prospect in terms of drive off the ball in this class. Technique wise the Iowa product is very advanced for a college player with sound pass blocking skills.
Reiff and Bulaga were good prospects both drafted #23 overall.
Reiff has played well at RT but imo doesn't possess Scherff's play strength or aggressive character. He let's the play come to him rather than initiate.
Bulaga has been serviceable also at RT but appears stiffer and doesn't have Scherff's drive blocking skillset.
There is a reason they both fell a bit on Draft Day. I don't expect Scherff to do the same. His power and technique are legit. We'll see how it all plays out in a few weeks.
$$MMM talent, $.05 brain(even for Stanford).We rag on WRs that are like that, same with Peat(too bad, he really is the best LT talentwise).
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I think he was playing OK at guard early in the year, but bombed at LT after they moved him there due to injuries, which is not unexpected since he was projected to need a year or 2 to develop before being an NFL LT.
You sound off on their explosive playmaking ability and elite athleticism then expect them to drop to #9? There are many teams in the top 8 in need of a WR and more just behind us that could move up to get one if they slide past #5.
In my opinion the likely scenario has us looking at an edge rusher(Gregory) who would be a poor fit in our scheme barring changes(which may come) or an OL(Scherff) when we are on the clock. I have Parker, Lael Collins and Shelton slotted a Tier below and dismiss the DB's Waynes and Collins because I don't see them as Top 10 worthy.
agree with you and Torrag
A puller is a lineman in motion by design vacating his place on the line to run and attack another position.
The great ones do both at a high level.
I'd love WR/edge rusher at #9, with OL help in the 2nd. And the ideal OL would be a guy that could step in at LG Day 1 and then slide over to LT in 1-2 years when they move on from Beatty.
My gut tells me they may prefer Peat based on his LT skillset if has the grade. Frankly that worries me as I have doubts about his mental toughness(doesn't dominate) and discipline(why all the bad weight).
A puller is a lineman in motion by design vacating his place on the line to run and attack another position.
The great ones do both at a high level.
Makes sense. I figure raw power for mauler & quickness for a puller to execute the blocking route.
Scherff 2nd. He's growing on me. Not too far from Collins, one of my favorite players from the draft.
Peat has the highest ceiling but he's 3rd. Way too big of a hit-or-miss pick. His body is an utter mess and if he can fix that he might realize his true potential, but that's a bigtime "if" considering how jiggly soft he is right now.
"La'el Collins, OL, LSU: It's hard to find a big, athletic blocker with a nasty temperament and polished game, but Collins checks all the boxes. He showed exceptional agility, athleticism and explosiveness during the "Olympic drills" on Friday. Collins clocked 5.12 in the 40-yard dash, which is certainly impressive for a 6-foot-4, 305-pounder with a chiseled frame. In positional drills, Collins flashed exceptional balance, body control and agility. He is surprisingly light on his feet, yet powerful when making contact with defenders at the point of attack. Collins routinely jolted foes with his short punches in blocking drills. Although practice drills aren't a true simulation of game action, the fact that Collins displayed the strength, power and agility of a blue-chip prospect could make him one of the first offensive linemen to come off the board on draft day."
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"La'el Collins, OL, LSU: It's hard to find a big, athletic blocker with a nasty temperament and polished game, but Collins checks all the boxes. He showed exceptional agility, athleticism and explosiveness during the "Olympic drills" on Friday. Collins clocked 5.12 in the 40-yard dash, which is certainly impressive for a 6-foot-4, 305-pounder with a chiseled frame. In positional drills, Collins flashed exceptional balance, body control and agility. He is surprisingly light on his feet, yet powerful when making contact with defenders at the point of attack. Collins routinely jolted foes with his short punches in blocking drills. Although practice drills aren't a true simulation of game action, the fact that Collins displayed the strength, power and agility of a blue-chip prospect could make him one of the first offensive linemen to come off the board on draft day." NFL.com Article - ( New Window )
From what I've read, you're not that much in the minority, if at all..
arc june keeps mentioning Clemmings at #9, but he might be the only one. Maybe he is on to something. He certainly has big upside, but is raw. You could argue he is like Tyron Smith when he came out of USC.
Scherrf certainly could play RT or OG right away, but is he worthy of #9? Could he ever play LT? I don't know, but if the Giants think he can, then he is the no brainer selection.
Ultimately, I think the Giants can find someone to play OG or RT in round 2, and round 1 will be spent on an impact player. Either a WR or pass rusher DE/DT/tweener). If the Giants turn in another losing season, there could be wholesale changes to the team. The coach (and by extension his staff) are likely gone, Eli and JPP could test FA, and the Giants would enter a true rebuilding phase. Not a desirable outcome for any franchise. So going into April 30th, you have to ask yourself what do the Giants believe they need to win in 2015. The team philosophy has always been win the division. So with that in mind, let's consider a few things.
1. The Cowboys have the best OL in football, an all-pro TE and WR, and they could add Adrian Peterson.
2. The Eagles run a wide open offense, under the leadership of an offensive genius with a lot of confidence. They will put up points.
3. The Redskins are a mess, but won't stay a mess forever. They are at their best when RGIII is using his mobility to open up running lanes and setting up big play action pass plays.
Interestingly, the trend in the NFC East is big play offenses. Even the Giants have a big play offense. Would not surprise me in the least if the Giants look at 2015 draft and think they need to revamp the defense by adding more players capable of disrupting Philly's spread offense, battling Dallas' monster OL, and disrupting RGIII's timing. If I'm Reese and Ross I try to grab the best pass rusher/trench player available at #9, and I even go as far as grabbing a tweener if I think he can get to the QB on third down. I love WRs and would be very tempted to take anyone one of the top 3 at #9, but the position is deep and talented. (not like last year but still good) Get a defensive weapon in round 1 and watch the record against the division improve by at least two games from last year.
"La'el Collins, OL, LSU: It's hard to find a big, athletic blocker with a nasty temperament and polished game, but Collins checks all the boxes. He showed exceptional agility, athleticism and explosiveness during the "Olympic drills" on Friday. Collins clocked 5.12 in the 40-yard dash, which is certainly impressive for a 6-foot-4, 305-pounder with a chiseled frame. In positional drills, Collins flashed exceptional balance, body control and agility. He is surprisingly light on his feet, yet powerful when making contact with defenders at the point of attack. Collins routinely jolted foes with his short punches in blocking drills. Although practice drills aren't a true simulation of game action, the fact that Collins displayed the strength, power and agility of a blue-chip prospect could make him one of the first offensive linemen to come off the board on draft day." NFL.com Article - ( New Window )
To me Collins has huge upside and versatility.