College guys: Scherff, Collins or Peat

In comment 12201041 JonC said:

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In a vacuum as well, an edge rusher makes the most sense to me at #9.

The only issue I keep running up against is which one! Fowler won't be there (he would be nice), Beasley (who I think can be a RDE in the NFL, similar to Buffalo's Jerry Hughes) might be gone as well. I have concerns about the versatility of Ray and Gregory. Bud Dupree looks good in shorts but looks less impressive in pads (I just seem him round around guys). The true DE I am most intrigued by is Owamagbe Odighizuwa, but is he really worthy of the #9 pick. (I think he would have been minus the injury history) I also like Preston Smith, but he is 2nd round at best.

is Beasley (besides Williams). I like Fowler, but I think he's overhyped. Sure he's a jack of all trades, but he doesn't stand out to me. Collins outplayed him when they went head-to-head.

The other guys just don't impress me too much. Dupree screams Giants pick, but I really hope we go in a different direction.

I think it's the question of the draft for NYG, and right now I don't know the answer! Dupree's upside is intriguing, he brings the size and AA to bring upgraded speed and presence on the edge for Spags. OO is probably the best 4-3 DE fit for NYG, but where does his value actually slot him on draft day. Smith and Anderson at #40 are options, haven't heard Orchard's name since the Combines.

I think Beasley would be tough to turn down, but he should be gone. Gregory concerns me as a fit, but I think NYG would pick him and put him at SAM as well.

In comment 12201077 JonC said:

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I think it's the question of the draft for NYG, and right now I don't know the answer! Dupree's upside is intriguing, he brings the size and AA to bring upgraded speed and presence on the edge for Spags. OO is probably the best 4-3 DE fit for NYG, but where does his value actually slot him on draft day. Smith and Anderson at #40 are options, haven't heard Orchard's name since the Combines. I think Beasley would be tough to turn down, but he should be gone. Gregory concerns me as a fit, but I think NYG would pick him and put him at SAM as well.

I could see Gregory if we didn't already have Kennard at SAM. I think Shane Ray might be the better of the two with his hand in the dirt. If Beasley gets passed up by Atlanta or Chicago (I doubt it) then you run to the podium with the pick.

I wouldn't pass on a rusher in favor of Kennard, and I really like the kid.

In comment 12201107 JonC said:

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I wouldn't pass on a rusher in favor of Kennard, and I really like the kid.

Oh I wouldn't either, but the question is where to play him. Kennard is a proven LOLB while Ray or Gregory would be a question at the position. Maybe Kennard could play ROLB, which could be the case under spags.

I suppose there are options either way. But agree, I think Ray slides.

In comment 12200360 mrvax said:

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from 2013 are much better than Pugh. (Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel Lane Johnson).

May turn out to be true but all that would mean is that all were picked a round or two too high. Pugh most likely played the best as a rookie but was the worst last year. Time will tell

That's a bit of an overstatement. Like many Giants fans I liked what I saw from his rookie year but he has a lot more to prove before we annoint him at any position. Including staying healthy which was a problem he had in college which reared it's head again as a pro.

I think we can say Kennard is a proven start at LOLB, considering he started there and played very well. My only point was that Gregory and Ray are unknowns as LOLBs in a 4-3. So if you draft one, with the idea of playing them at LOLB, you have to hope Kennard can play ROLB if you want to get him on the field in any meaningful way. I think Kennard can play any of the LB spots, with LOLB and MLB probably being his two best.

Proven doesn't mean all pro or anything, just saying the Giants know what they have in Kennard at LOLB and if they draft one of the tweeners and play the guy at LOLB on 1st and 2nd down, then Kennard goes from a known quantity to an unknown commodity.

In comment 12201148 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 12200360 mrvax said: Quote: from 2013 are much better than Pugh. (Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel Lane Johnson). May turn out to be true but all that would mean is that all were picked a round or two too high. Pugh most likely played the best as a rookie but was the worst last year. Time will tell

Can you clarify what you mean by the worst.

Worst lineman on the Giants was clearly JD Walton. And I think Eric Fisher has been rather unimpressive in KC.

why would you judge a guy(Pugh) who played much of the year with ONE arm, as harshly as you are? If it was the "worst" then it was a huge mitigating factor "worst," don't you think?

Scherff comes out lat year he is picked in the 20's as most likely Peat and Collins are as well. Where is this all pro ability people see. He is not as good a prospect as Martin at at either T or G. The comparison you see most is Reiley Reiff - Big F'n deal

Is he as good a prospect a J. Cooper, Warmack, Fluker, DeCastro - no. Not with the 9th pick

Mayock thought Cooper was a sure a thing at G as there was. Last year when healthy he could not unseat the immortal Ted Larsen

In comment 12201192 stretch234 said:

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Scherff comes out lat year he is picked in the 20's as most likely Peat and Collins are as well. Where is this all pro ability people see. He is not as good a prospect as Martin at at either T or G. The comparison you see most is Reiley Reiff - Big F'n deal Is he as good a prospect a J. Cooper, Warmack, Fluker, DeCastro - no. Not with the 9th pick Mayock thought Cooper was a sure a thing at G as there was. Last year when healthy he could not unseat the immortal Ted Larsen

I think the value at RT and OG in the draft is in round 2-4.

Scherff, Collins then Peat. Scherff is the only one I'd consider at 9.

I'd take Jake Fisher from Oregon over all 3. He may be the most underrated lineman in the draft. He reminds me of Lane Johnson and Kyle Long.

In comment 12201270 sjnyfan said:

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Scherff, Collins then Peat. Scherff is the only one I'd consider at 9. I'd take Jake Fisher from Oregon over all 3. He may be the most underrated lineman in the draft. He reminds me of Lane Johnson and Kyle Long.

Wish Fisher could make it to #40, but I don't think it happens

That's insanely good. Some WR's didn't time that fast. It would've been #1 for OL in the combine by nearly two tenths (Jake Fisher 7.25) and is the 2nd best over the last 10 years Lydon Murtha--2009).

I see Scherff as a OG like many others. It's very important for an interior lineman to time well in the three cone. If that time is true then he just nailed the top half of the draft if not top 10.

I think he goes in the first and if the Eagles cut Mathis I don't see how he gets past Chip, who recruited him heavily to Oregon.

for opinions. If we can't get the two WRs,Lionhart impresses me regarding Collins.Sounds like a good number one.

and his counterpart Donnal. Good read.
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Nice article

Collins. Trade back if yyou feel he'll be available. If not get lineman you want with the pick.

Iunderstand value and "BPA" but if you have a glaring need and there are solid players there its ok to reach. Get what you need.

I hope they take another lineman in rd 2

wich is what any of these OL would be at 9. scherff is purely a G in the NFL.While shcerff had excellent 3's at the combine if you watch the tape you can see if he were to play OT he would be average at best. Collins on the other hand would be an excellent G and probably has the feet and technique to play RT but 9 is still to high. They should both go somewhere between 15-25 but no earlier then that. Peat on the other hand,based on his inconsistency and body type probably shouldn't be a 1st round pick. Based on potential I'm sure someone will take a chance on him in the 1st. Just Hopefully not the Giants!!!