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NFT: Knicks Chat: Melo recruiting Gasol?

nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 9:44 am
The center was also approached by Carmelo Anthony, though he wouldn't say what the two spoke about behind closed doors.

"We say hello," Gasol said of the conversation. "I don't know. Things that are talked in the locker room should always be kept in the locker room. Of course guys ask you how you're feeling and stuff like that but other than that there wasn't much more."

I think it is an extreme long shot Gasol leaves Memphis...I think the only way he even thinks about it is if Memphis loses round 1.
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I'd  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 9:47 am : link
be absolutely stunned if Gasol left Memphis 1st round exit or not. The West is so bunched up that a loss to Dallas or the Spurs wouldn't blow anyone away.
RE: I'd  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12200312 DanMetroMan said:
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be absolutely stunned if Gasol left Memphis 1st round exit or not. The West is so bunched up that a loss to Dallas or the Spurs wouldn't blow anyone away.


The only reason i mention first round loss, is becuse maybe he realizes it is to hard in the West and thinks the East is an easier road...
For those who missed it...  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2015 9:49 am : link
Minnesota beat Utah in OT last night, so the Knicks have a little cushion in the race for worst record. It's been a great week on that front.
RE: RE: I'd  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12200319 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12200312 DanMetroMan said:


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be absolutely stunned if Gasol left Memphis 1st round exit or not. The West is so bunched up that a loss to Dallas or the Spurs wouldn't blow anyone away.



The only reason i mention first round loss, is becuse maybe he realizes it is to hard in the West and thinks the East is an easier road...


Enough to pass on MORE than 30 million extra? No chance.
I doubt he walks...  
Italianju : 3/24/2015 10:01 am : link
but its fun to imagine a frontline of him and Towns or Okafor or even Monroe if they find a little more money........but yeah i think its about a 5% chance he leaves MEM.
RE: RE: RE: I'd  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12200337 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12200319 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 12200312 DanMetroMan said:


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be absolutely stunned if Gasol left Memphis 1st round exit or not. The West is so bunched up that a loss to Dallas or the Spurs wouldn't blow anyone away.



The only reason i mention first round loss, is becuse maybe he realizes it is to hard in the West and thinks the East is an easier road...



Enough to pass on MORE than 30 million extra? No chance.


I never said it was a good chance...i said thats their ONLY chance...

30 million and leaving what he considers his home town  
Greg from LI : 3/24/2015 10:05 am : link
to join a dumpster fire? Never happen.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 10:07 am : link
Marc Gasol would need to leave over 30 million dollar on the table to leave a town he "grew up" for a team with the worst record in the NBA, the least future talent in the NBA (on the current roster) etc. It's not happening.
RE: 30 million and leaving what he considers his home town  
Deej : 3/24/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12200363 Greg from LI said:
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to join a dumpster fire? Never happen.


So this is weird. If I do a Google image search for dumpster fire, about 90% of the first 100 hits are the same image. Never seen anything like it before, but apparently this is THE dumpster fire:


Link - ( New Window )
It is a pretty good dumpster fire  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 10:19 am : link
maybe google thinks it is the best?
I love Gasol, but let's not bring anyone else that's 30  
BeerFridge : 3/24/2015 10:27 am : link
Big men often don't age like Tim Duncan. Bring in Gasol on a max deal and there's a good chance IMO that he begins to wear down and fail to earn what he's paid.
Pinning hopes on a 30 year old big man isn't exactly building  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/24/2015 10:29 am : link
something long-lasting.

That's the definition of a shortsighted quick fix.
deej is lying  
djm : 3/24/2015 10:31 am : link
I google searched dumpster fire and here's the first thing that popped up...

This is not 2010  
Stu11 : 3/24/2015 10:42 am : link
I learned from that debacle. We will be lucky to lure a decent free agent or two, and definitely not a marquee max type guy without warts. The guy I really point to is Greg Monroe. He's young and wants out of Detroit. Thats the type of guy we land. Not a free agent who would be leaving a 55-60 win contender to join this 15 years and running shit show. Hopefully we get a top 3 pick pair them with Melo land a decent UFA and do some good dumpster diving and start to build something that some elite player wants to join next off season.
If anyone on the current Knicks is the definition of 'dumpster fire'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/24/2015 10:49 am : link
it's Shved.
RE: This is not 2010  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12200431 Stu11 said:
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I learned from that debacle. We will be lucky to lure a decent free agent or two, and definitely not a marquee max type guy without warts. The guy I really point to is Greg Monroe. He's young and wants out of Detroit. Thats the type of guy we land. Not a free agent who would be leaving a 55-60 win contender to join this 15 years and running shit show. Hopefully we get a top 3 pick pair them with Melo land a decent UFA and do some good dumpster diving and start to build something that some elite player wants to join next off season.


I want Green #1 but Monroe is my #2 choice.
RE: This is not 2010  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12200431 Stu11 said:
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I learned from that debacle. We will be lucky to lure a decent free agent or two, and definitely not a marquee max type guy without warts. The guy I really point to is Greg Monroe. He's young and wants out of Detroit. Thats the type of guy we land. Not a free agent who would be leaving a 55-60 win contender to join this 15 years and running shit show. Hopefully we get a top 3 pick pair them with Melo land a decent UFA and do some good dumpster diving and start to build something that some elite player wants to join next off season.


i am not saying Knicks wil land a bigtime max guy, but the difference between 2010 and now is Melo...

if Knicks have Melo in 2010 they have a fighting chance to land Lebron...

The key to free agency is having the star in place to recruit, which the Knicks do have...

Will it work? who knows but this is different then 2010...
The reason Miami landed Lebron  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:06 am : link
is because they had Dwade...if Miami doesnt have Wade they do not get teh big 3...

If Wade is in Chicago or New York the big 3 is in Chicago or New York...

Agree with Stu...  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2015 11:08 am : link
A top three pick and one decent FA is all I ask. That will get us back to respectability.
RE: Again  
Enzo : 3/24/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12200366 DanMetroMan said:
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Marc Gasol would need to leave over 30 million dollar on the table to leave a town he "grew up" for a team with the worst record in the NBA, the least future talent in the NBA (on the current roster) etc. It's not happening.

is it a lock that Memphis offers him the full 5 year max?
and I'd rather Monroe anyway  
Enzo : 3/24/2015 11:10 am : link
as would many others here.
If Knicks get Okafor or Towns  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:11 am : link
and add Green or Monroe along with one of the SGs on the market i will be happy...

Calderon/Galloway
FA SG
Melo
Green or Monroe
Towns or Okafor

Then you have roughly another 25 million to make a splash next year to add to this team, then potentially another 15 after that...
Do you think signing Monroe  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/24/2015 11:12 am : link
precludes them from drafting Towns (if we can)?
RE: Do you think signing Monroe  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12200532 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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precludes them from drafting Towns (if we can)?


Towns is the better fit with Monroe...
RE: RE: Again  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12200524 Enzo said:
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In comment 12200366 DanMetroMan said:


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Marc Gasol would need to leave over 30 million dollar on the table to leave a town he "grew up" for a team with the worst record in the NBA, the least future talent in the NBA (on the current roster) etc. It's not happening.


is it a lock that Memphis offers him the full 5 year max?


I don't see any reason to believe they won't outside of "working with Gasol" to take a little less to have more to spend on other players. They can offer 30 million more + no state tax. The money won't be even close unless Memphis chooses to let it be so.
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 11:14 am : link
don't see any reason Monroe would stop you from taking Towns. If anything Towns is probably "best case" scenario with a Monroe outside of a guy like Cauley Stein (no way am I saying taking him top 3).
and draft takes place before free agency  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:16 am : link
so who they draft will be on the team before they start talking to players...
I thought the 60 million dollar man  
RetroJint : 3/24/2015 11:20 am : link
with all the contacts of his accumulated years in the league was supposed to be the recruiter. However, on topic, M Gasol should age well, but I'll take Monroe, as noted above.
RE: I thought the 60 million dollar man  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12200558 RetroJint said:
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with all the contacts of his accumulated years in the league was supposed to be the recruiter. However, on topic, M Gasol should age well, but I'll take Monroe, as noted above.


Phil is important but Melo is the one who recruits...

Think about it, If Melo is in the room in 2010 recruiting Lebron with Walsh, isnt that a more impactful recruiting pitch rather than just Walsh and D'antoni...

You need a star player to recruit other star players, players are not going to leave their current team to go to another team without another player already in place....

Nowadays star players are looking to team up so if you have one already in place your ahead of the game...
Who do you think got Lebron to go to Miami?  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 11:27 am : link
..
Wade was the biggest reason  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2015 12:00 pm : link
but Miami has everything - great ownership, front office guru with a bunch of rings, South Beach, no state income tax, etc. Can't beat that.
couple of things  
Pep22 : 3/24/2015 12:05 pm : link
1) I don't think Melo is a great recruiting tool (tough to play since ISO ball is his style, does very little else, not a winner).

2) By Green, do you mean Jeff Green? Why not Tobias Harris as opposed to a tweener forward w a previous/major health issue?

3) Monroe/Jackson would be the best FA duo in my opinion. Towns, Monroe, Melo, Hardaway/Schved, Jackson would be the best cased (reasonable) scenario.
RE: Wade was the biggest reason  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12200645 bceagle05 said:
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but Miami has everything - great ownership, front office guru with a bunch of rings, South Beach, no state income tax, etc. Can't beat that.


dont get me rong presenting a good management plan to a player is big but ultimately the player is worried about who he is playing with...

If their are no players on the team it doesnt matter how good ownership is no one is going to go there...
RE: couple of things  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12200658 Pep22 said:
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1) I don't think Melo is a great recruiting tool (tough to play since ISO ball is his style, does very little else, not a winner).


You do know that Lebron wanted Melo to be apart of the big 3...when they first talked Melo was the 3rd guy but Melo instead listening to his Agent at the time and his family took the longer extension rather then taking the shorter one...in turn Lebron recruited Bosh...

The stars in this league do not view Melo like you do...

and he is not a winner? this just makes me laugh....why is he not a winner? becuase he hasnt won a championship?

The guy went to the playoffs every single year in the west, who was the best guy he played with? he carried those teams...

He has won on every level..won in high school, actually beat Lebron when no one was beating Lebron in high school...

Won in College and carried a Syracuse team as freshamn to a national championship...

But yes Melo is not a winner
Pep I think he meant Draymond Green  
Stu11 : 3/24/2015 12:12 pm : link
That one is probably a pipe dream. NyGiants16 I agree having Melo makes us marginally better off than 2010. But these past two years have been such a dumpster fire here I just find it hard to believe that any max guy with other solid options would choose this shit show.
RE: Pep I think he meant Draymond Green  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12200685 Stu11 said:
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That one is probably a pipe dream. NyGiants16 I agree having Melo makes us marginally better off than 2010. But these past two years have been such a dumpster fire here I just find it hard to believe that any max guy with other solid options would choose this shit show.


I agree it puts a damper on things but you may get the players thinking if i team up with Melo we can turn this thing around...

Again will it work? who the hell knows but i do think they are in better shape with melo now then in 2010 going into free agency even with the shit record..
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 3/24/2015 12:19 pm : link
suggest Lebron is the unusual superstar that doesn't care about shots/scoring if he doesn't have to. I think his "wanting to play with Melo" is unusual vs. other "superstars" but I could be wrong.
Melo is not  
Pep22 : 3/24/2015 12:21 pm : link
a winner because he's more interested in getting his shots/stats than things like playing D, running the court, being CONSISTENTLY fit, passing, putting team first (i.e. this latest charade this year when playing in the All Star game trumped what any responsible player would choose.

Syracuse was 12 years ago. High School was....high school, are we really citing high school wins?
RE: Melo is not  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12200712 Pep22 said:
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a winner because he's more interested in getting his shots/stats than things like playing D, running the court, being CONSISTENTLY fit, passing, putting team first (i.e. this latest charade this year when playing in the All Star game trumped what any responsible player would choose.

Syracuse was 12 years ago. High School was....high school, are we really citing high school wins?


So him carrying denver to the playoffs in the West doesnt count?
RE: I'd  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12200706 DanMetroMan said:
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suggest Lebron is the unusual superstar that doesn't care about shots/scoring if he doesn't have to. I think his "wanting to play with Melo" is unusual vs. other "superstars" but I could be wrong.


Chris Paul wanted to play with Melo

Amar'e Stoudemire wanted to play with Melo

This no one wants to play with Melo baffles me...
Melo could have a Paul Pierce-like finish to his career  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2015 12:28 pm : link
if he's not insistent on dominating the ball at all times. I'm hopeful that's the path he takes. I'm a little skeptical of stars wanting to play with him, but he's the least of the Knicks' problems when recruiting FAs. The scarcity of talent on the roster and Jimmy Dolan are the main issues.
RE: This is not 2010  
Jay on the Island : 3/24/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12200431 Stu11 said:
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I learned from that debacle. We will be lucky to lure a decent free agent or two, and definitely not a marquee max type guy without warts. The guy I really point to is Greg Monroe. He's young and wants out of Detroit. Thats the type of guy we land. Not a free agent who would be leaving a 55-60 win contender to join this 15 years and running shit show. Hopefully we get a top 3 pick pair them with Melo land a decent UFA and do some good dumpster diving and start to build something that some elite player wants to join next off season.


I agree Stu the Knicks should focus on Monroe as he is younger and on the rise.
This "Melo is not a winner" trope is about as meaningful as the  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/24/2015 12:41 pm : link
"Eli is not a leader" analysis. The same amount of thought seems to go into it, too.
Just please no Rondo or Reggie Jackson.  
bceagle05 : 3/24/2015 12:42 pm : link
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Getting to the playoffs (but never making any noise in said playoffs)  
Pep22 : 3/24/2015 12:42 pm : link
is Melo's proof that he's a winner? Wow, low standards.
No it is the fact  
nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 1:11 pm : link
that he carried those teams by himself...

You say all he does is ISo and take all the shots...ok so who is he supposed to pass to? who was the POint Guard on his team that was going to set up the offense?

When he played with a competent PG he made it to the West Finals...

You realize the teams he lost to in the playoffs were the Spurs and Lakers...the only time his team was favored and lost in the west was when they played Utah and George Karl had to leave the team...

So by your standards is Barkley a winner? Ewing? Reggie Miller? Chris Webber? Steve Nash? Tim Hardaway? Bernard King? Dominique Wilkins? John Stockton? Karl Malone?

By your standards who are winners? is it only the players that won championships?
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Pep22 : 3/24/2015 1:25 pm : link
Ewing? Reggie Miller? Chris Webber? Steve Nash? Tim Hardaway? John Stockton? Karl Malone?

All these guys had repeated playoff success (i.e. many series won). Carmelo has won 2 playoff series in his whole career.
Guys  
PaulN : 3/24/2015 1:27 pm : link
I am not a big fan at all, I used to be back in the Reed/Fazier/DeBusschere/Barnett/Bradley/Russel/Stallworth/Riordan days. I also was a big fan in the Ewing Era. I gave up, the last of it was the Marbury days, I still keep an eye on them, and I actually watched them when they had the kid Jeremy Lin here playing has ass off, I purchased the package and watched them that season, then they didn't resign him and I said fuck them again. So I am not a great Knicks fan, I admit it, since I did leave the diehard fan base.

But when they added Phil Jackson to the mix, I started to keep an eye out once again. Looking at the team right now I am starting to try to hope once again. If they are able to land either Okafor or Towns for the 2015/1016 season, plus add another very good piece on top of that in this off season, add some of the important role players, then add another piece in the 2016/2017 off season, then add another piece in the 2017/2018 off season, at that point I think that with Jackson having the team for 3 1/2 years, and having had 4 off seasons to add the pieces needed to make this team a championship caliber team, the team could be ready to challenge and also finally have the base to build off of to keep them relevant for a good 10 year run, now they will be replacing Melo, but he has a max contract, and they should be able to add the right player/players needed at that point to keep things rolling.

Maybe I am all wrong, and I want to hear what people think of if they are also hoping for this but think that this is not going to work for whatever reason/reasons, I sure would love to hear your input.
Melo had some good teams in Denver  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/24/2015 1:33 pm : link
he didn't singlehandedly carry them. He could've gotten better PG play but those Denver teams had talent.

IMO Nuggets Melo was grossly overrated. He was never even remotely close to being a Top 5 player in the league. He was a borderline Top 10 player during his best years in Denver.

Knicks Melo has been better. The 3pt shot has helped his game. But the problem with Melo is that I think '13/'14 will go down as his peak seasons. He was a Top 7/8ish player during that 2-year span. I thought he was the 4th best player in the world in '13.

Now in his 30s and coming off of an injury-plagued season, I just can't see him ever being a Top 8 player in the league again. Too many young guys have passed him up this year.

I think he can still be a valuable piece to a successful machine like older Pierce was to the Celtics. But the Knicks have a long way to go to create a team like that.
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nygiants16 : 3/24/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12200859 Pep22 said:
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Ewing? Reggie Miller? Chris Webber? Steve Nash? Tim Hardaway? John Stockton? Karl Malone?

All these guys had repeated playoff success (i.e. many series won). Carmelo has won 2 playoff series in his whole career.


Name me the great player Melo played with? he was by himself with those teams and carried them...but you just keep ignoring that fact...

When he actually had a good player next to him in Billups he sacrificed Shots and points for the betterment of the team and they went to the West Finals...


Ok here is a better comparison..was KG a winner BEFORE he went to Boston?
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