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Interesting Question: What if Mariota slips to No. 9...

Ben in Tampa : 3/24/2015 10:41 am
... And Chip Kelly calls the Giants War Room? Would Jerry Reese consider making a deal with a division rival?

It was a question that came up on NFL Radio this morning. Interested to see some opinions from the BBI contingent.

For what it's worth, the radio guys thought Reese would only care about the compensation, and not consider the fact that the Eagles would potentially add a franchise QB.
In a heartbeat  
gmen9892 : 3/24/2015 10:43 am : link
We are not looking to draft Mariota, so there would be no downside to this trade for the Giants. If anything, the Eagles would be helping us with more draft picks or players.
I woukd definitely make the trade  
aquidneck : 3/24/2015 10:43 am : link
Cause if we don't, whoever drafts 10 or 11 will.
Agree  
Doomster : 3/24/2015 10:45 am : link
with Aquidneck....
I think you do.....  
BillKo : 3/24/2015 10:45 am : link
unless another player sitting at #9 is the player you just can't pass up.
Depends on what we are getting back  
Mike in NY : 3/24/2015 10:47 am : link
If we get the Eagles to the point that they are making an offer that could reasonably be accepted by #10 or #11 I do not want to get too piggy by asking for too much because then the Eagles will just say screw you and deal up to #10 or #11
Forgot to add the caveat  
Mike in NY : 3/24/2015 10:47 am : link
That if there is someone there we cannot pass up then I will take the risk that Eagles trade to #10 or #11 for Mariota
We need impact players  
Torrag : 3/24/2015 10:49 am : link
You rarely get an opportunity to draft them. I would consider a trade down only if we didn't think there was one at #9 or we could get one where we were trading down to. We got one at #12 last year...
Mike,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2015 10:49 am : link
might the Cowboys also show some interest if he fell to 9?
Yup, all about the compensation  
Lionhart28 : 3/24/2015 10:51 am : link
and who is on the board. How about this years 1 and 2, and next years 1.
Does anyone see Mariota getting past the Mets at 6?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2015 10:53 am : link
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I feel confident the Mets will not draft Mariota  
BeerFridge : 3/24/2015 10:55 am : link
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Lol..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2015 10:56 am : link
Good lawd..
I would take call.....squeeze  
George from PA : 3/24/2015 10:59 am : link
And call Cleveland to start bidding war
What if ?  
Archer : 3/24/2015 11:01 am : link
Since we are dealing with hypothetical's what if the Giants have Mariota rated as their top player and as a potential franchise quarterback?

The Giants have not extended Eli's contract so the Giants have other options, the Giants could;

Draft Mariota and have him sit one year behind Eli.
Draft Mariota and trade Eli.

I am not proposing that this should happen but I am offering another possibility.

Make the trade for what?  
BLUATHRT : 3/24/2015 11:04 am : link
Guys saying "for sure", what are you recouping to move back that far?
Archer not impossible  
Torrag : 3/24/2015 11:04 am : link
but I hope not as frankly I don't have a Top 15 grade on him.
Mariota  
Archer : 3/24/2015 11:05 am : link
One thing to consider is that Eli's contract moving forward will be exorbitant.
If he were franchised his contract would be 120% of his current contract.
If he signed a long term contract his CAP hit would still be +/- $20M per year.
I would deal with the Eagles  
blueblood : 3/24/2015 11:06 am : link
but it would cost them big time.. The Giants have to move down to 20.. If Im the Giants I wants everything I can get..

Im also calling Cleveland..
This thread is full of stupid.  
BLUATHRT : 3/24/2015 11:07 am : link
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It's difficult to deal in the divison...  
Dunedin81 : 3/24/2015 11:11 am : link
say we get two Week 1 starters back in the deal, if Philly gets a franchise QB who makes the first contribution to their case of empty because we dealt with them it still looks like a bad trade. And conversely if he flops and it sets the tone for our next four or five years of success it will be legendarily bad. So it's less risky for them to move up to 8 or for us to take a somewhat smaller package from a team like the Browns than it is for either team to deal with the other.
Obviously we'd look for a trade  
UConn4523 : 3/24/2015 11:12 am : link
but it likely still doesn't happen. They are hard to pull off, even harder when you only have 5-10 minutes. I also don't think we trade him in division unless we get a monster return.
I think the better question - would Chip want to trade with NYG?  
Watson : 3/24/2015 11:13 am : link
I can't see Chip wanting to turn over picks to the Giants. Rather, I see him trying to make a deal with Atlanta or the Rams first.
I don't think it matters much that it's the Eagles.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/24/2015 11:14 am : link
You assess the offer on its merits, and compare it to the options on the board at #9. Period.
The Giants have made trades within the division  
steve in ky : 3/24/2015 11:14 am : link
I don't see that as a nonstarter.
I don't think it matters much that it's the Eagles.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/24/2015 11:15 am : link
You assess the offer on its merits, and compare it to the options on the board at #9. Period.

The only exception would be if you think Mariota is going to have an Andrew Luck-type impact in Philly. But if there were a reasonable chance of Reese thinking that, Mariota would be gone by #9 anyway.
Well the Mets do need another arm since Wheeler is done  
PatersonPlank : 3/24/2015 11:18 am : link
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RE: Well the Mets do need another arm since Wheeler is done  
Semipro Lineman : 3/24/2015 11:30 am : link
In comment 12200555 PatersonPlank said:
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Darn you for beating me to it
I'm  
AcidTest : 3/24/2015 11:37 am : link
not saying they wouldn't do it, but I think the Giants would be understandably leery about the possibility of trading a potential franchise QB to a division rival. Any division rival would therefore have to pay a very high premium above what other teams would offer. And there would be other offers.

But it's all moot. Mariotta isn't getting to us at #9.

He's going to the Mets!
Murderers!  
Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2015 11:40 am : link
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I think it does matter that it's the Eagles, the question is, how much  
jcn56 : 3/24/2015 11:45 am : link
So the Eagles call and they're willing to swap 1sts, as well as throw in next year's 1st and 3rd round picks (hypothetical, not checking the draft pick value chart).

If you're Reese, you know a couple of other teams are interested, and you find one willing to swap 1sts and throw in next year's 3rd. Essentially, the difference being next year's 1st round pick.

Do you bypass the extra value to keep him away from the Eagles, knowing Kelly really wants the guy? I think I would. The Eagles would likely be picking no earlier than mid first round (and likely late, unfortunately), so although the value is there I think I'd rather avoid strengthening a division opponent.
If Mariotta made it to 9, there may be a number of teams on the phone  
Scyber : 3/24/2015 11:51 am : link
Not just the Eagles. So I'm sure the giants would prefer to trade to anothr team, but if the Eagles have the best offer on the table they can't ignore it.
I'd happily ruin the Eagles future if they want to  
Victor in CT : 3/24/2015 11:56 am : link
:-)
IF M is all that  
fkap : 3/24/2015 12:03 pm : link
draft him ourselves. It's rare that you get to draft a franchise QB. Yeah, it's a year or two too early to put Eli out to pasture, but when you get the opportunity, take it.

That said, I thought this was a weak year for QB's, so M is just the best of a bad bunch. If that's the case, absolutely help your division rival draft a mediocre prospect.
You pray that the Browns are willing  
Big Rick in FL : 3/24/2015 12:06 pm : link
To trade up starting with the two #1s they have and go from there. If not you take all the picks the Eagles have.

He's going to go #2 IMO. Which is fine by me. Another pass rusher or WR falls to us.
IF MM makes it past 8  
old man : 3/24/2015 12:28 pm : link
the Giants phone bank will all tied up.
Cleveland will not give the 12 and 19(but then again it is Cleveland), but I can see 12 and their 3rd;Philly would have to give up a ton for us to drop to 20; StLouis/LA and Cleveland could work a good deal.
RE: The Giants have made trades within the division  
UConn4523 : 3/24/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12200547 steve in ky said:
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I don't see that as a nonstarter.


Not a top 10 pick that can potentially be a franchise QB. Massive difference. Those that think we won't be taking that into consideration are nuts. The value of a potential franchise QB (not saying Mariota is/isn't) may outweigh the "value chart".
places call on mute..  
NYG007 : 3/24/2015 1:24 pm : link
.......what else do we need?.... David Putney.. unmute.. Chip...I want David F*cking Putney you pan cake eating mother f*cker!
Maybe the Giants dont see Mariota as a Franchise QB  
Rudy5757 : 3/24/2015 2:33 pm : link
so they would love to dump him on the Eagles. Regardless of who the team is, you have to do what is best for the Giants. If they have a group of equal value players they would make the trade, if they see a big drop off in talent they probably wont.

This is a team that the owner has made it clear they need a good draft so the #1 pick has to be a key contributor this season in order for Reese and Coughlin to have a secure future.

In what I have seen of Mariota I am not that impressed and dont feel like he will be a great QB but that is just my opinion. He has worked well in that system but that was against college talent. I would love to see the Eagles do something stupid to get this kid. I think they need WRs more than a QB but Chip is much smarter than everyone
RE: What if ?  
OC2.0 : 3/24/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12200495 Archer said:
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Since we are dealing with hypothetical's what if the Giants have Mariota rated as their top player and as a potential franchise quarterback?

The Giants have not extended Eli's contract so the Giants have other options, the Giants could;

Draft Mariota and have him sit one year behind Eli.
Draft Mariota and trade Eli.

I am not proposing that this should happen but I am offering another possibility.


Really doubt that. Would much rather have Nassib than Mariota.
As far as  
OC2.0 : 3/24/2015 3:05 pm : link
Trading down goes, teams wanting Mariota will probably want to deal with the Jets 1st to be sure.
Titans are probably taking him at #2  
ZogZerg : 3/24/2015 3:26 pm : link
I really doubt he gets close to 9
If Mariota makes it to 9  
Bill in TN : 3/24/2015 9:20 pm : link
here's a wild scenario. . . .
CLE trades their 12th and 2nd to the Giants.
PHA trades Bradford and their 20th to CLE for the ninth.
Result:
PHA gets their guy (for basically a 1st)
CLE gets a QB and retains 2 1sts (19 and 20)
Giants drop 3 spots and pick up a high 2nd.
Everybody wins.
i would make the trade in a heart beat  
hitdog42 : 3/24/2015 9:24 pm : link
mainly because i think he is going to be a terrible QB
I am ok with some scenario involving a trade  
PatersonPlank : 3/24/2015 9:30 pm : link
But what I am not on board with is using our #9 to sit on the bench for the next 2 years behind our HOF QB. We have so many holes, this will not help us.
I would do it and here is what I would want..  
EricJ : 3/24/2015 9:41 pm : link
Their #1 and #2 this year
Their #1 next year
That LB they just got from Buffalo.
The Browns are more likely to call the Giants  
bigfish703 : 3/24/2015 9:56 pm : link
In comment 12200663 Big Rick in FL said:
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To trade up starting with the two #1s they have and go from there. If not you take all the picks the Eagles have.

He's going to go #2 IMO. Which is fine by me. Another pass rusher or WR falls to us.


for Mariotta because their need is obvious. Let us hope that they do because they own 2 first round picks (12 & 19) & therefore are more likely to take a chance like this. Also they are not in our division so direct competition would not be a factor in making the deal. How sweet it would be to get a first rounder & also 2 second round picks in a draft where there are so few blue chip players in the 1st round.
Bill, I follow your logic here  
bigfish703 : 3/24/2015 10:08 pm : link
In comment 12201766 Bill in TN said:
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here's a wild scenario. . . .
CLE trades their 12th and 2nd to the Giants.
PHA trades Bradford and their 20th to CLE for the ninth.
Result:
PHA gets their guy (for basically a 1st)
CLE gets a QB and retains 2 1sts (19 and 20)
Giants drop 3 spots and pick up a high 2nd.
Everybody wins.


but so many things would have to fall into place that as you said, it is a "wild scenario." I like the win-win of the deal though. Crazier things have happened though, so we can hope for it.
LOL  
The Tempest : 3/26/2015 12:59 pm : link
Pretty sure they only call to tie up the line
RE: Bill, I follow your logic here  
chopperhatch : 3/26/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12201834 bigfish703 said:
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In comment 12201766 Bill in TN said:


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here's a wild scenario. . . .
CLE trades their 12th and 2nd to the Giants.
PHA trades Bradford and their 20th to CLE for the ninth.
Result:
PHA gets their guy (for basically a 1st)
CLE gets a QB and retains 2 1sts (19 and 20)
Giants drop 3 spots and pick up a high 2nd.
Everybody wins.



but so many things would have to fall into place that as you said, it is a "wild scenario." I like the win-win of the deal though. Crazier things have happened though, so we can hope for it.


If Philly only has to give up Sam Bradford and 20 to move into the top ten, I would flip out.
I would absolutely make a deal  
Matt M. : 3/26/2015 1:22 pm : link
provided we are happy with the compensation.
if Lawrence Taylor gets in a time machine  
B in ALB : 3/26/2015 1:26 pm : link
and is there at 9 do the Giants take him or Mariota?
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