A lot of talk obviously on Kevin white or cooper possibly dropping to 9 and Giants having to pick them and not pass up on a playmaker.
However I can easily see a scenario where cooper and white are both gone and in comes 3rd ranked reciever Parker
Parkers numbers in 6 games this past year are obviously incredible and his injury cost him his shot at being the top drafted WR this year.
His stats
43 catches-855 yards-5tds
Size 6'3 210 pounds
40 yard dash 4.45
He's drawn comparisons to AJ green. He's got unbelievable ball skills with high pointing the football.
Is it that crazy to think the Giants go with the number 3 wide receiver in devante Parker who's ranked behind copper and white
Just like obj last year behind Watkins and Evans
So what are your thoughts on Parker.
And
Would you be happy with the pick
Let's hope so!
While you, on the other hand, are a pick-leveraging Master of the Tradedown. You should call Jerry Reese and impart some of your wisdom to him. I'm sure he'll welcome your input, Salty Meathead. G'head, g'head...call the man.
Just because the ESPN/NFL Network "gurus" had/have Beckham/Parker as the 3rd rated WR, doesn't mean the Giants front office did.
Give me an offensive lineman or a pass rusher at 9.
I will NOT be happy with any WR pick in round 1 or 2. Considering the other serious holes we have on this team a WR is about the last thing we need to beef up at this point. Grated it is always nice to add another talented receiver but you must consider the seriousness of our other needs first.
Tend to agree. I think we started to see much of that philosophy over the last two drafts. But I could see them taking Marpet in the third.
Beckham as the 3rd ranked receiver was only mentioned here on BBI as to who the Giants might take in the second. Beckham, Cooks, Benjamin & Lee were all discussed in the 2nd WR tier with pro/con for Evans and sure thing with Watkins only.
It's possible the top 3 WRs this year could swap places during their career also.
I can easily see Reese drafting one since we lost Steve Smith Jr. and Hakeem Nicks (possibly Victor Cruz) to career ending injuries. Couple that with the fact that Randle may hit FA next year and WR actually makes sense.
There are no Olinemen this year worth a #9 this year, IMO. No safety or CB either. Defenders that may be available are 3-4 guys that may or may not become useful in 4-3.
Naysayers: Think about it for a few minutes.
Damn. If they reach for an Olineman at #9 with the only pick, he's probably not going to break into the starting lineup this year unless there is an injury. That's how Pugh & Richburg became starters.
hahaha
We've seen tons of big WRs from college bust once they get to the NFL because they can't get separation. So I have concerns about his ability to make the leap to the NFL and as a result I'm not quite sure he's a lock at #9.
That said if the Giants pick him I won't be at all surprised and will immediately jump on the Parker bandwagon.
Red Dog : 3/24/2015 11:01 pm : link : reply
and plenty of depth at the position.
Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.''
Agreed to this.
I would add that we ought not consider the DL 'ready ' just yet either!
Remember, this team has done squat,zilch and nada without dominant line play on both sides of the ball.
'do you want X or Y at a certain position in round 1',
which leads some into the logic that position in 1 that is best for the team.
then, regarding the safeties:
It remains to be seen. Of course, there is the possibility that Spagnulo can quickly turn Demps and Brown into very good players. However, I would not assume that to be the case, DB's were Fewells bread and butter.
Or that the 2 rooks will play very well. However, one would not rely on that just in practice.
So, depending on the use they put the free safety to next year, one can safely assume that there are players coming out of college right now that we would be glad to have on the roster at very least.
Remember, there is a very long list of colleges that play football, each has a number of defensive backs, and a much shorter list of kids that play safety in the NFL. One would not assume that because the media is not ranting about free safeties that there are none, one would work the numbers.
Lionhart28 : 8:33 am : link : reply
Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.
+1
I'd pass
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he fits our offense better as well.
When i looked at his films, I saw that he runs superb routes. He fakes one way & cuts the other very sharply, & that will usually put some distance between him & the CB. I would not complain if we got Parker or White either, but they rely more on straight out speed & athleticism, usually getting free much further down the field than Cooper needs in order to get some space.
I agree that Cooper is the more polished of the three and my preferred choice.
Parker is much better with the ball in his hands after the catch which is why I feel he fits our scheme better (compared to White).
Fowler may be able to play end in the NFL but I think he's seen as more of a 34 OLB. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong,but I also think he's a little overhyped as a pass rusher. Bud Dupree is every bit the player Fowler is but he's not as highly regarded,and not thought of as a top 10 selection.
If the Giants have a choice between Parker,one of the OL or a certain pass rusher,why should they be considerd better value over Devante?!
Bingo!
2) In 3 years you are going to have to make a decision on which WR you want to re-sign, Beckham or Cooper/White/Parker. Because big contracts for both could be cap-prohibitive. So in a sense we'd be getting the benefit of this top 10 pick for only a few years.
Add to those concerns the concern that Parker is another "if he hadn't been injured, he would have...." type guy, and I am against it.
As for paying two WRs a second pro contract, GB made it happen along with AR. Cap is going way up, Abrams will handle it. Four years is an eternity in football, Eli's probably gone, for example.
Can't draft in 2015 thinking about contracts in 2018. It doesn't work. The unspeakable could and does happen.
I can't imagine the Giants not drafting an O-Lineman somewhere in the first three rounds (maybe even the first two), but the idea that it absolutely must be in the first round really annoys me. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, all is not lost.
I think Parker is the #1 WR in this draft. I see no risk at all. He can do everything. And everything he does will work in the NFL. Size, speed, leaping ability, length, great hands, ball skills, gets off press, and he's strong too.
I love how he goes up for the ball. This is what pushes him to #1 for me. What he does will work in the NFL and produce a lot of TDs and big plays. He's a very easy leaper. Quickly explodes off the ground and can adjust while in the air. He goes up strong and those long arms sure help when he's in the air to high point the ball.
I like White a lot too because he's great in the air and on contested balls but Parker seems to plant and explode a little better.
Parker will be an immediate impact player. We'll have a lot of good options at #9 but Parker is definitely on the short list.
There have been plenty of can't miss prospects that missed. Better players than Parker for sure. LB Aaron Curry, RB Trent Richardson, CB Morris Claiborne, RB Darren McFadden, RB Reggie Bush, FS Michael Huff, etc
Parker doesn't run the best routes, has had issues with drops, doesn't have big hands, has some injury concerns, etc. He is far from can't miss, but if very talented. He is a good fit opposite of OBJ. IMO I want a player that A) catches everything in site and B) Runs great routes... Eli will throw a ball where he expects you to be, so I want a WR that will be there. Still a fan though, but I don't think I would push him above many other players that could help.
Also while this draft is deep in WR... It isn't close to last year. Last year had like 6-7 WRs projected as 1st rounders and a ton others projected as 2nd-3rd rounders. This year there are less on each of those levels, but has some good back end picks in the 4th-7th range. Not nearly as good though.
I agree completely that a G is needed,as well as depth for the OL and DL. Competition breeds success! As I've stated before we'll have a chance at 40 to get a pure guard comparable to anyone drafted in the 1st. Not to say the Giants will go in that direction at 40 but it's definitely an option. There's more value drafting OL at 40 then to reach for one at 9...
I hate to tell everyone here but the running game is an attitude and a mentality more than anything. If the OL stays healthy this year and they develop some consistency,that alone helps the run game. Lets not forget Jennings looked pretty good at times last year before he was injured. he was the 2nd or 3rd leading rusher in the league after the Texans game. Williams was also a rookie adjusting to the NFL. He showed some good improvement throughout the year. Tenn and STL are a good example.
Lets not forget in 2013 as Mara stated the offense was broken,wich subsequently led to Gilbrides forced retirement. The line was blocking for the likes of Andre Brown,Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs. 2 hasbeens and a never was. No one here thinks to take all of this into consideration.
It's amazing how people can be such diehard fans,yet they know so little about the game and how it's played.
Do I think there need to be upgrades at the G position,yes absolutely. Depth is an is a big issue as well,but the situation is nowhere near as dire as some here make it out to be.
Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM?
Since Aaron Ross, at least?
Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM?
Since Aaron Ross, at least?
Even Ross wasn't that bad.