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Where does everyone stand on DeVante Parker

ADeP7 : 3/24/2015 10:13 pm
A lot of talk obviously on Kevin white or cooper possibly dropping to 9 and Giants having to pick them and not pass up on a playmaker.
However I can easily see a scenario where cooper and white are both gone and in comes 3rd ranked reciever Parker

Parkers numbers in 6 games this past year are obviously incredible and his injury cost him his shot at being the top drafted WR this year.
His stats
43 catches-855 yards-5tds

Size 6'3 210 pounds
40 yard dash 4.45

He's drawn comparisons to AJ green. He's got unbelievable ball skills with high pointing the football.

Is it that crazy to think the Giants go with the number 3 wide receiver in devante Parker who's ranked behind copper and white
Just like obj last year behind Watkins and Evans


So what are your thoughts on Parker.
And
Would you be happy with the pick
I dont know about Parker  
blueblood : 3/24/2015 10:18 pm : link
most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind..

Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18
Would be happy with that pick  
RAIN : 3/24/2015 10:23 pm : link
after looking at some cutups of players on defensive side of ball and Offensive lineman.. to me their aren't compelling reasons, other than pure need, to select them at #9.

The receivers though, are a different story. The top three could place high in any draft. Parker, though having some struggles with routes, dramatically improved throughout the year. If his foot checks out, I'd gladly take him over Scherff, Gregory, and some other guys with holes in their game.
RE: I dont know about Parker  
ADeP7 : 3/24/2015 10:26 pm : link
In comment 12201844 blueblood said:
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most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind..

Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18



Is that such. A bad thing though. alot of people widely considered OBJ to be 3rd best reciever behind watkins and evans. Alot of mocks had obj going from 13-22.

Also reading alot of different stuff and watching some videos i would think he possibly has the highest ceiling of the WRs. is it that big of a gamble to go with him at 9
Would be quite typical for  
Salty Meats : 3/24/2015 10:31 pm : link
our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.
You can't take the 3rd ranked  
Mr. Nickels : 3/24/2015 10:33 pm : link
WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?
RE: You can't take the 3rd ranked  
ADeP7 : 3/24/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12201867 Mr. Nickels said:
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WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?



The problem with that is the fact that if he played a full entire season he had a good shot of being the number 1 reciever off the board
He looks really good  
PA Giant Fan : 3/24/2015 10:42 pm : link
Knows how to use his body. Has excellent body control...
They have two highly paid WRs on the team now,  
Red Dog : 3/24/2015 11:01 pm : link
and plenty of depth at the position.

Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.
could be a glut of resources at one position  
raever : 3/24/2015 11:02 pm : link
Both in the sense of draft picks and cap space. OBJ, Cruz, Randle and Cooper/White/Parker? If the Giants pick one of them that's that but if there is a worthy DL/OL(Beasley/Scherff?) with similar value I'd be tempted to balance the roster by heading in another direction. If however a WR is the clear cut impact talent available you pull the trigger.

As far as Parker specifically three things to point out: He has more 'diva' in him than Cooper/White imo this must be thoroughly vetted. His surgically repaired foot must check out 100%. His route running is behind the other two top guys is he coachable?
RE: They have two highly paid WRs on the team now,  
blueblood : 3/24/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12201889 Red Dog said:
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and plenty of depth at the position.

Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.


really.. who are the two highly paid receivers?? You have ONE highly paid.. and one on a rookie contract..
RE: RE: I dont know about Parker  
blueblood : 3/24/2015 11:07 pm : link
In comment 12201855 ADeP7 said:
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In comment 12201844 blueblood said:


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most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind..

Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18




Is that such. A bad thing though. alot of people widely considered OBJ to be 3rd best reciever behind watkins and evans. Alot of mocks had obj going from 13-22.

Also reading alot of different stuff and watching some videos i would think he possibly has the highest ceiling of the WRs. is it that big of a gamble to go with him at 9


Nope I dont think its a bad thing at all. I just dont know much about him..
He's not OBJ.  
barens : 3/24/2015 11:09 pm : link
I personally think there is no shot of us drafting him at 9. I just can't see the Giants having him ranked that high. I think Nelson Agholar is a better football player.
I do not think the Giants will have him rated that high  
blueblood : 3/24/2015 11:12 pm : link
The Giants had OBJ rates as the #2 receiver.. not Evans.. I dont think he will be rated above White or Cooper...
I like him better than White  
Stupendamatic : 3/24/2015 11:14 pm : link
he fits our offense better as well.
Cooper is the more polished player of the three.  
bigfish703 : 3/24/2015 11:28 pm : link
In comment 12201896 Stupendamatic said:
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he fits our offense better as well.


When i looked at his films, I saw that he runs superb routes. He fakes one way & cuts the other very sharply, & that will usually put some distance between him & the CB. I would not complain if we got Parker or White either, but they rely more on straight out speed & athleticism, usually getting free much further down the field than Cooper needs in order to get some space.
bigfish  
Bill2 : 3/25/2015 12:08 am : link
that's a huge issue for me. If what you said is true...then they don't work as well for us....as I don't see how our 2015 OL can hang in long enough for long routes to develop.

that factor would swing me from a preference for a wr in round one to neutral.
Parker  
Dragon : 3/25/2015 1:19 am : link
Has been the WR I felt could be there at 9 however since White ran that 4.35 he has moved ahead of Cooper on many boards possibly. I still think if Cooper and Parker are there at 9 the BPA would be Cooper however Parker could have even more upside. As for all three to me it's Cooper, Parker and White I just think White has less upside then the other two.

IMO both Cooper or Parker would be very difficult to pass on for anyone except DT Williams major team need and very high upside. Parker is still the guy I want to see in blue his total package could be very hard to find again. We can't say our WR position is strong since we only have OBJ and RR everyone else comes with several questions. As we saw last year a team strength can easily become a weekness overnight.
I love Parker's catch radius  
English Alaister : 3/25/2015 4:48 am : link
it is insane. The thing is you can just send him down the field a lot because the D is then gonna have to respect that with a safety over. What do you do with Beckham? Double him? Then Vereen, Cruz and Donnell should be roaming free against a NCB and some LBs.
My guess  
RetroJint : 3/25/2015 6:46 am : link
is they have Cooper in a higher row than Parker. They would draft Cooper at 9. Parker they would not.
I like Parker  
Big Rick in FL : 3/25/2015 6:48 am : link
As a football player probably better then White. He's more smooth to me. He reminds me of Fitzgerald. White reminds me of Kelvin Benjamin.
He's a beast  
UberAlias : 3/25/2015 7:53 am : link
Fits the playmaker bill, for sure. I like him better than White. I'd be happy with the pick.
A lot of the experts say that Cooper and White  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/25/2015 8:00 am : link
would be behind Beckham, Evans, and Walker if all were in the same draft. Just something to think about on picking Parker with the 9th pick when Beckham went 12th.

RE: Would be quite typical for  
drkenneth : 3/25/2015 8:01 am : link
In comment 12201865 Salty Meats said:
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our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.


I'll give you a $100 not to come on BBI anymore.
Great  
AcidTest : 3/25/2015 8:02 am : link
player. Agree about the catch radius. It's enormous. But he broke his foot last year, and missed most of the season. No at #9. Too much of a risk.
I get the sense that there will be no reaches  
Headhunter : 3/25/2015 8:14 am : link
Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.
RE: I get the sense that there will be no reaches  
Victor in CT : 3/25/2015 8:20 am : link
In comment 12202009 Headhunter said:
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Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.


Let's hope so!
RE: Would be quite typical for  
Klaatu : 3/25/2015 8:22 am : link
In comment 12201865 Salty Meats said:
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our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.


While you, on the other hand, are a pick-leveraging Master of the Tradedown. You should call Jerry Reese and impart some of your wisdom to him. I'm sure he'll welcome your input, Salty Meathead. G'head, g'head...call the man.

RE: You can't take the 3rd ranked  
giants#1 : 3/25/2015 8:28 am : link
In comment 12201867 Mr. Nickels said:
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WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?


Just because the ESPN/NFL Network "gurus" had/have Beckham/Parker as the 3rd rated WR, doesn't mean the Giants front office did.
Foot injuries scare me for a skill player  
Lionhart28 : 3/25/2015 8:33 am : link
Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.
I will continue to say it  
NYG07 : 3/25/2015 8:35 am : link
While the "value" might be there, drafting another receiver in the first round when we drafted an all pro last year makes no sense. This team has been in transition, not a rebuild. The Giants have another 3-4 year window to win another superbowl with Eli.

Give me an offensive lineman or a pass rusher at 9.
All I know is it would be just like Reece  
nicky43 : 3/25/2015 8:37 am : link
to be stupid enough to take a WR in this draft before fixing the o-line with the starting caliper upgrades we need to give Eli just 3 seconds to get the ball to ANY receiver.

I will NOT be happy with any WR pick in round 1 or 2. Considering the other serious holes we have on this team a WR is about the last thing we need to beef up at this point. Grated it is always nice to add another talented receiver but you must consider the seriousness of our other needs first.

RE: I get the sense that there will be no reaches  
AcidTest : 3/25/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12202009 Headhunter said:
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Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.


Tend to agree. I think we started to see much of that philosophy over the last two drafts. But I could see them taking Marpet in the third.
Like him a lot  
jeff57 : 3/25/2015 8:45 am : link
But he's still the # 3 WR in the draft. Only think about taking him if the other 2 are off the board.
I remember the pre-draft OBJ hype  
mrvax : 3/25/2015 9:02 am : link
it was almost every thread how great he'd be. NOT!

Beckham as the 3rd ranked receiver was only mentioned here on BBI as to who the Giants might take in the second. Beckham, Cooks, Benjamin & Lee were all discussed in the 2nd WR tier with pro/con for Evans and sure thing with Watkins only.

It's possible the top 3 WRs this year could swap places during their career also.

I can easily see Reese drafting one since we lost Steve Smith Jr. and Hakeem Nicks (possibly Victor Cruz) to career ending injuries. Couple that with the fact that Randle may hit FA next year and WR actually makes sense.

There are no Olinemen this year worth a #9 this year, IMO. No safety or CB either. Defenders that may be available are 3-4 guys that may or may not become useful in 4-3.

Naysayers: Think about it for a few minutes.



Sorry, mrvax...  
Klaatu : 3/25/2015 9:06 am : link
But I guess you don't know that the draft is only one round this year, and if they Giants don't draft an O-Lineman at #9, they won't get another chance to do that.
RE: Sorry, mrvax...  
mrvax : 3/25/2015 9:10 am : link
In comment 12202089 Klaatu said:
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But I guess you don't know that the draft is only one round this year, and if they Giants don't draft an O-Lineman at #9, they won't get another chance to do that.


Damn. If they reach for an Olineman at #9 with the only pick, he's probably not going to break into the starting lineup this year unless there is an injury. That's how Pugh & Richburg became starters.
raever +1  
JonC : 3/25/2015 9:13 am : link
That said, I agree with Retro on where Parker will be tiered relative to Cooper and probably White, he's a tier lower imo.
Not many people predicted Beckham would be what he is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2015 9:14 am : link
I recall a lot of members who badly wanted Mike Evans or Ebron, and wondering why we picked a 5"11 punt returner just because he had a sweet one-handed catch on youtube.
mrvax, you ignorant slut.  
Klaatu : 3/25/2015 9:15 am : link
Don't you realize that the Giants need to draft not one, but TWO starting 'caliper' offensive linemen, or else Eli will be dead by November?
Devante Parker  
chillinman1183 : 3/25/2015 9:16 am : link
I've been saying this all along about parker. He is an excellent talent with a lot of upside. Cooper is the best route runner of the 3 but Parkers strength is going up to attack the football at it's highest point,and his R.A.C. ability is outstanding. I'm not as anamoured with Whites 4.35 40 at the combine as most are. He simply doesn't show that kind of speed consistently on tape. Parker is the most explosive on film in my opinion. he averaged almost 20 yards a catch this past year. 2 years ago he averaged 18.6 per reception,and just over 16 yards the other 2 seasons. If Amari isn't there I think it's going to be a simple decision to make just like last year with OBJ. When it came time to make the selection,Reese has stated that there was nothing to talk about,Beckham was the choice all the way. I think it's going to be a similar situation this year. None of the pass rushers at the top of the draft fit what the giants do. Fowler could be an option given his versatility,if he's there. Vic Beasley as well,if the Giants think he can be a 3 down Lb in a 43 defense. But I think Parker is a better prospect and should be rated higher than Fowler. I just can't see Beasley being drafted as a DE. He definitely has the functional strength to play the run on 1st and 2nd down. I think everyone views him as a 34 OLB and a rusher with his hand in the dirt on certain passing situations. Those are the only other viable options in my opinion. I do not see any of the OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9. while sherff is versatile and has played LT,I see him as a guard who could play tackle in a pinch. While that does carry value,not enough to warrant a top 10 selection. same with Lael Collins. Although he has a better chance at actually being a tackle in the NFL,I'm still not sure if he isn't better suited at Guard,or even RT. Still not worthy of a top 10 selection. in my view those are the 2 highest rated OL in this draft. I think if the Giants were to wait until they pick at 40 they could get one of the pure G that have the potential to be every bit as good as scherff,or close to it anyway. Or they could look at one of the pass rushers in round 2,or go Corner,as u can never have enough cover guys and pass rushers. They definitely have to address G at some point in the draft,hopefully earlier rather than later,but no earlier than round 2. Maybe they come away with a guy like Ali Marpet in round 3 or 4. They need to address G and OL depth at some point but I think Cooper or Parker in the 1st!!!
RE: mrvax, you ignorant slut.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2015 9:18 am : link
In comment 12202113 Klaatu said:
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Don't you realize that the Giants need to draft not one, but TWO starting 'caliper' offensive linemen, or else Eli will be dead by November?


hahaha
chillinman1183  
Klaatu : 3/25/2015 9:18 am : link
Paragraphs are your friends. Don't be afraid to use them.
He's in the mix at 9 but I have questions  
armstead98 : 3/25/2015 9:24 am : link
From what little I've seen, and yes I'll admit my "tape" is limited to Youtube videos, he doesn't get a ton of separation and that worries me. Usually he's out jumping a lesser athlete for the catch.

We've seen tons of big WRs from college bust once they get to the NFL because they can't get separation. So I have concerns about his ability to make the leap to the NFL and as a result I'm not quite sure he's a lock at #9.

That said if the Giants pick him I won't be at all surprised and will immediately jump on the Parker bandwagon.
I will just cut and paste RedDog  
idiotsavant : 3/25/2015 9:25 am : link
''They have two highly paid WRs on the team now,
Red Dog : 3/24/2015 11:01 pm : link : reply
and plenty of depth at the position.

Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.''

Agreed to this.

I would add that we ought not consider the DL 'ready ' just yet either!

Remember, this team has done squat,zilch and nada without dominant line play on both sides of the ball.
Have no problem with him at #9  
BillT : 3/25/2015 9:27 am : link
Or over White. We're just not in the position to know who really is the better WR. It's certainly tight among the top 3 and very tight between White and Parker. He's very impressive overall.
Find some safeties where?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2015 9:28 am : link
This isn't a draft for safeties. Nothing is going to change that. Any safety they get in this draft is not going to contribute significantly if at all in 2015. Even the best-regarded safety prospects are looked at as projects.

there are a few things that go on here this time of year  
idiotsavant : 3/25/2015 9:44 am : link
one is that someone will start a thread,

'do you want X or Y at a certain position in round 1',

which leads some into the logic that position in 1 that is best for the team.


then, regarding the safeties:

It remains to be seen. Of course, there is the possibility that Spagnulo can quickly turn Demps and Brown into very good players. However, I would not assume that to be the case, DB's were Fewells bread and butter.

Or that the 2 rooks will play very well. However, one would not rely on that just in practice.

So, depending on the use they put the free safety to next year, one can safely assume that there are players coming out of college right now that we would be glad to have on the roster at very least.

Remember, there is a very long list of colleges that play football, each has a number of defensive backs, and a much shorter list of kids that play safety in the NFL. One would not assume that because the media is not ranting about free safeties that there are none, one would work the numbers.

I agree with your take in this scenario  
Torrag : 3/25/2015 9:49 am : link
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Foot injuries scare me for a skill player
Lionhart28 : 8:33 am : link : reply
Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.

+1
The Giants do not have two highly paid WR's  
blueblood : 3/25/2015 10:01 am : link
they have one.. and he is attempting to come back from a very serious knee injury..
RE: Foot injuries scare me for a skill player  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2015 10:02 am : link
In comment 12202041 Lionhart28 said:
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Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.


I'd pass
RE: Cooper is the more polished player of the three.  
Stupendamatic : 3/25/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12201903 bigfish703 said:
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In comment 12201896 Stupendamatic said:


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he fits our offense better as well.



When i looked at his films, I saw that he runs superb routes. He fakes one way & cuts the other very sharply, & that will usually put some distance between him & the CB. I would not complain if we got Parker or White either, but they rely more on straight out speed & athleticism, usually getting free much further down the field than Cooper needs in order to get some space.


I agree that Cooper is the more polished of the three and my preferred choice.

Parker is much better with the ball in his hands after the catch which is why I feel he fits our scheme better (compared to White).
Big Blue 56  
chillinman1183 : 3/25/2015 10:29 am : link
If the draft plays out like you say we will have a choice of the OL and a few pass Rushers. I think Beasley and Fowler are likely gone at 9 as well. So who do you see the value in for rushers and OL and why!? Maybe you can inlighten me because I don't see the (Value) in any of the OL in the top 15 let alone at 9. Other than Beasley I don't see who fits what the Giants do on D. That's only if the Giants see Beasly as an every down LB that can cover and rush with his hand in the dirt. While he certainly has the weightroom strength to play the run I don't see him as a defensive end,and I doubt any of the teams in the top 10 do either.
Fowler may be able to play end in the NFL but I think he's seen as more of a 34 OLB. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong,but I also think he's a little overhyped as a pass rusher. Bud Dupree is every bit the player Fowler is but he's not as highly regarded,and not thought of as a top 10 selection.
If the Giants have a choice between Parker,one of the OL or a certain pass rusher,why should they be considerd better value over Devante?!
I need to caveat my comment here......  
Reb8thVA : 3/25/2015 10:43 am : link
by saying straight up that I don't think it is an absolute necessity to draft OL with the first pick. However, this idea that is being thrown about that we can easily find find OL help in the fourth round and beyond is ludicrous. This teams track record in later rounds is not stellar, remember the Whimpers, Brewers, and Moselys of the world. If we are serous about looking to the draft to secure a starting G or OT they are probably have to go that route earlier than the fourth and some one probably from an established program. I would hate to put all are chips on Marpet.
RE: The Giants do not have two highly paid WR's  
OC2.0 : 3/25/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12202254 blueblood said:
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they have one.. and he is attempting to come back from a very serious knee injury..


Bingo!
Reb  
JonC : 3/25/2015 11:09 am : link
Good post and I agree. Marpet in the 3rd makes sense, but hope they won't reach for a player at #40, period.
I have two concerns about drafting a WR in Round 1  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/25/2015 11:13 am : link
1) There are other positions without a starter right now, and will less depth overall. Like OL. We don't have a legit starter at guard, unless you want Jerry in there again. Also OL depth is terrible. DL is another position that needs an infusion more than WR, IMO.

2) In 3 years you are going to have to make a decision on which WR you want to re-sign, Beckham or Cooper/White/Parker. Because big contracts for both could be cap-prohibitive. So in a sense we'd be getting the benefit of this top 10 pick for only a few years.

Add to those concerns the concern that Parker is another "if he hadn't been injured, he would have...." type guy, and I am against it.
sb  
JonC : 3/25/2015 11:16 am : link
Read Ira's "deep at wide receiver" thread.

As for paying two WRs a second pro contract, GB made it happen along with AR. Cap is going way up, Abrams will handle it. Four years is an eternity in football, Eli's probably gone, for example.
Based on unfortunate recent history  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2015 11:18 am : link
we should have no reason to be worried about which WR to re-sign.

Can't draft in 2015 thinking about contracts in 2018. It doesn't work. The unspeakable could and does happen.
RE: I need to caveat my comment here......  
Klaatu : 3/25/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12202352 Reb8thVA said:
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by saying straight up that I don't think it is an absolute necessity to draft OL with the first pick. However, this idea that is being thrown about that we can easily find find OL help in the fourth round and beyond is ludicrous. This teams track record in later rounds is not stellar, remember the Whimpers, Brewers, and Moselys of the world. If we are serous about looking to the draft to secure a starting G or OT they are probably have to go that route earlier than the fourth and some one probably from an established program. I would hate to put all are chips on Marpet.


I can't imagine the Giants not drafting an O-Lineman somewhere in the first three rounds (maybe even the first two), but the idea that it absolutely must be in the first round really annoys me. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, all is not lost.
He's a cant miss player  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 11:46 am : link
AJ Green is a the perfect NFL comp and that player is worth the #9 pick.

I think Parker is the #1 WR in this draft. I see no risk at all. He can do everything. And everything he does will work in the NFL. Size, speed, leaping ability, length, great hands, ball skills, gets off press, and he's strong too.

I love how he goes up for the ball. This is what pushes him to #1 for me. What he does will work in the NFL and produce a lot of TDs and big plays. He's a very easy leaper. Quickly explodes off the ground and can adjust while in the air. He goes up strong and those long arms sure help when he's in the air to high point the ball.

I like White a lot too because he's great in the air and on contested balls but Parker seems to plant and explode a little better.

Parker will be an immediate impact player. We'll have a lot of good options at #9 but Parker is definitely on the short list.
There are no can't miss players  
Torrag : 3/25/2015 11:51 am : link
Certainly not a skill prospect who has already broken his foot once.
I have no idea about the foot  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 11:55 am : link
And there certainly are can't miss prospects. Based on his football ability only there is no chance he doesn't become an impact player. There is nothing missing there.

I like Parker...  
Amtoft : 3/25/2015 12:17 pm : link
I have him close to White both well below Cooper. I am actually not sure I don't like him more than White really. The problem I have with both Parker and White is they have smaller hands than I like. Usually... Not always, but usually smaller hands don't catch the ball as well. Both White and Parker have had issues with drops in the past. I like WRs that catch the ball because if you get open or the QB makes a great throw then you have to make the catch. It is something that frustrates me with Victor Cruz really. He dropped way to many passes for my liking before getting hurt last year. I would be ok with Parker, but he is not another OBJ. He is a completely different WR and completely different skill set. That isn't a bad thing, but don't expect OBJ. To me I would go elsewhere if Cooper is gone.
RE: I have no idea about the foot  
Amtoft : 3/25/2015 12:43 pm : link
In comment 12202527 KWALL2 said:
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And there certainly are can't miss prospects. Based on his football ability only there is no chance he doesn't become an impact player. There is nothing missing there.


There have been plenty of can't miss prospects that missed. Better players than Parker for sure. LB Aaron Curry, RB Trent Richardson, CB Morris Claiborne, RB Darren McFadden, RB Reggie Bush, FS Michael Huff, etc

Parker doesn't run the best routes, has had issues with drops, doesn't have big hands, has some injury concerns, etc. He is far from can't miss, but if very talented. He is a good fit opposite of OBJ. IMO I want a player that A) catches everything in site and B) Runs great routes... Eli will throw a ball where he expects you to be, so I want a WR that will be there. Still a fan though, but I don't think I would push him above many other players that could help.

Also while this draft is deep in WR... It isn't close to last year. Last year had like 6-7 WRs projected as 1st rounders and a ton others projected as 2nd-3rd rounders. This year there are less on each of those levels, but has some good back end picks in the 4th-7th range. Not nearly as good though.
Sb from NY  
chillinman1183 : 3/25/2015 12:59 pm : link
First of all you don't draft a player in the first round and worry about his 2nd contract in 4 or 5 years. A lot can happen in that time span. Everything can change in an instant. See Victor Cruz!!! It doesn't matter of OL is more of a need. you can't draft a player 8-10 spots higher than he deserves just because you have a need. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round you could make a case for doing this,but definitely not the 1st round at 9th overall.
I agree completely that a G is needed,as well as depth for the OL and DL. Competition breeds success! As I've stated before we'll have a chance at 40 to get a pure guard comparable to anyone drafted in the 1st. Not to say the Giants will go in that direction at 40 but it's definitely an option. There's more value drafting OL at 40 then to reach for one at 9...
And there certainly are can't miss prospects.  
Torrag : 3/25/2015 1:09 pm : link
Sports are replete with can't miss guys...that missed. There is no such thing. #1 overall draft picks miss all the time. Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell and just those are since 200. Aaron Curry was considered a 'sure thing' by many...bust. So stop the 'can't miss'...'sure thing' hyperbole. Nobody is buying it.
He uses his body extremely well  
PA Giant Fan : 3/25/2015 1:14 pm : link
It is natural to him. He puts the db on his back and is a bug target. He is kind of like plax. A little smaller and a little faster
Sign me up for Parker  
jLefty : 3/25/2015 4:22 pm : link
if Cooper and White are gone. Is the mot explosive of the three cording to the BBIrs.Get a good gauard at 40.
I love all the get a good OG at 40 people...  
Amtoft : 3/25/2015 5:14 pm : link
What if say DT Malcom Brown, DE Alvin Dupree, SS Landon Collins, CB Trae Waynes, DE Shane Ray, or Jordan Phillips fall to that pick. You are going to bypass now a better player to pick the OG or you going to take the much higher player who fell? Someone will fall. If you bypass again now you are looking OG in the 3rd I guess hoping one is there, but don't forget you need safeties also.
Obviously you then pick the superior player.  
chillinman1183 : 3/25/2015 6:52 pm : link
There's 7 rounds don't forget,G at some point is bound to be the pick . If you can upgrade your talent level through the draft then that's what you do. If you can't upgrade a certain position you've just got to live with what you've got until an opportunity presents itself. If it's next year in free agency then so be it,or even next years draft. that's the way the NFL works. I know it's not ideal but there's still camp cuts,the draft and rookie FA still to come. You can't upgrade every position year in and year out. although it would be nice that's just not realistic.
I hate to tell everyone here but the running game is an attitude and a mentality more than anything. If the OL stays healthy this year and they develop some consistency,that alone helps the run game. Lets not forget Jennings looked pretty good at times last year before he was injured. he was the 2nd or 3rd leading rusher in the league after the Texans game. Williams was also a rookie adjusting to the NFL. He showed some good improvement throughout the year. Tenn and STL are a good example.
Lets not forget in 2013 as Mara stated the offense was broken,wich subsequently led to Gilbrides forced retirement. The line was blocking for the likes of Andre Brown,Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs. 2 hasbeens and a never was. No one here thinks to take all of this into consideration.
It's amazing how people can be such diehard fans,yet they know so little about the game and how it's played.
Do I think there need to be upgrades at the G position,yes absolutely. Depth is an is a big issue as well,but the situation is nowhere near as dire as some here make it out to be.
I don't get ...  
BlueLou : 3/25/2015 7:09 pm : link
fretting so much over what JR will do at 9.

Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM?

Since Aaron Ross, at least?
All the folks saying get a guard or a LT 1st or 2nd round  
PA Giant Fan : 3/25/2015 7:57 pm : link
Need to also accept that there is a good chance they will not be that good or able to start right away...or be any better then what they have initially.
RE: I don't get ...  
OC2.0 : 3/26/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12203524 BlueLou said:
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fretting so much over what JR will do at 9.

Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM?

Since Aaron Ross, at least?


Even Ross wasn't that bad.
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