Where does everyone stand on DeVante Parker

most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind..

Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18

after looking at some cutups of players on defensive side of ball and Offensive lineman.. to me their aren't compelling reasons, other than pure need, to select them at #9.

The receivers though, are a different story. The top three could place high in any draft. Parker, though having some struggles with routes, dramatically improved throughout the year. If his foot checks out, I'd gladly take him over Scherff, Gregory, and some other guys with holes in their game.

In comment 12201844 blueblood said:

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most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind.. Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18

Is that such. A bad thing though. alot of people widely considered OBJ to be 3rd best reciever behind watkins and evans. Alot of mocks had obj going from 13-22.

Also reading alot of different stuff and watching some videos i would think he possibly has the highest ceiling of the WRs. is it that big of a gamble to go with him at 9

our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.

WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?

In comment 12201867 Mr. Nickels said:

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WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?

The problem with that is the fact that if he played a full entire season he had a good shot of being the number 1 reciever off the board

Knows how to use his body. Has excellent body control...

and plenty of depth at the position.

Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.

Both in the sense of draft picks and cap space. OBJ, Cruz, Randle and Cooper/White/Parker? If the Giants pick one of them that's that but if there is a worthy DL/OL(Beasley/Scherff?) with similar value I'd be tempted to balance the roster by heading in another direction. If however a WR is the clear cut impact talent available you pull the trigger.

As far as Parker specifically three things to point out: He has more 'diva' in him than Cooper/White imo this must be thoroughly vetted. His surgically repaired foot must check out 100%. His route running is behind the other two top guys is he coachable?

In comment 12201889 Red Dog said:

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and plenty of depth at the position. Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.

really.. who are the two highly paid receivers?? You have ONE highly paid.. and one on a rookie contract..

In comment 12201855 ADeP7 said:

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In comment 12201844 blueblood said: Quote: most people say he is a top 15 talent.. What he was able to do in six games is pretty impressive. I just dont know if he closed the gap on Cooper and White.. I dont think he is THAT far behind.. Cooper and White are pretty much seen as top ten talents on every draft mock.. Parker is outside the ten.. usually I see him mocked around 11-18 Is that such. A bad thing though. alot of people widely considered OBJ to be 3rd best reciever behind watkins and evans. Alot of mocks had obj going from 13-22. Also reading alot of different stuff and watching some videos i would think he possibly has the highest ceiling of the WRs. is it that big of a gamble to go with him at 9

Nope I dont think its a bad thing at all. I just dont know much about him..

I personally think there is no shot of us drafting him at 9. I just can't see the Giants having him ranked that high. I think Nelson Agholar is a better football player.

The Giants had OBJ rates as the #2 receiver.. not Evans.. I dont think he will be rated above White or Cooper...

he fits our offense better as well.

In comment 12201896 Stupendamatic said:

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he fits our offense better as well.

When i looked at his films, I saw that he runs superb routes. He fakes one way & cuts the other very sharply, & that will usually put some distance between him & the CB. I would not complain if we got Parker or White either, but they rely more on straight out speed & athleticism, usually getting free much further down the field than Cooper needs in order to get some space.

that's a huge issue for me. If what you said is true...then they don't work as well for us....as I don't see how our 2015 OL can hang in long enough for long routes to develop.

that factor would swing me from a preference for a wr in round one to neutral.

Has been the WR I felt could be there at 9 however since White ran that 4.35 he has moved ahead of Cooper on many boards possibly. I still think if Cooper and Parker are there at 9 the BPA would be Cooper however Parker could have even more upside. As for all three to me it's Cooper, Parker and White I just think White has less upside then the other two.

IMO both Cooper or Parker would be very difficult to pass on for anyone except DT Williams major team need and very high upside. Parker is still the guy I want to see in blue his total package could be very hard to find again. We can't say our WR position is strong since we only have OBJ and RR everyone else comes with several questions. As we saw last year a team strength can easily become a weekness overnight.

it is insane. The thing is you can just send him down the field a lot because the D is then gonna have to respect that with a safety over. What do you do with Beckham? Double him? Then Vereen, Cruz and Donnell should be roaming free against a NCB and some LBs.

is they have Cooper in a higher row than Parker. They would draft Cooper at 9. Parker they would not.

As a football player probably better then White. He's more smooth to me. He reminds me of Fitzgerald. White reminds me of Kelvin Benjamin.

Fits the playmaker bill, for sure. I like him better than White. I'd be happy with the pick.

would be behind Beckham, Evans, and Walker if all were in the same draft. Just something to think about on picking Parker with the 9th pick when Beckham went 12th.

In comment 12201865 Salty Meats said:

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our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.

I'll give you a $100 not to come on BBI anymore.

player. Agree about the catch radius. It's enormous. But he broke his foot last year, and missed most of the season. No at #9. Too much of a risk.

Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.

In comment 12202009 Headhunter said:

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Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.

Let's hope so!

In comment 12201865 Salty Meats said:

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our empty suit to take a 3rd ranked WR at 9. Has no concept of how to leverage the pick and trade down.

While you, on the other hand, are a pick-leveraging Master of the Tradedown. You should call Jerry Reese and impart some of your wisdom to him. I'm sure he'll welcome your input, Salty Meathead. G'head, g'head...call the man.

In comment 12201867 Mr. Nickels said:

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WR two years in a row. We got lucky last year do we really want to test our luck?

Just because the ESPN/NFL Network "gurus" had/have Beckham/Parker as the 3rd rated WR, doesn't mean the Giants front office did.

Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.

While the "value" might be there, drafting another receiver in the first round when we drafted an all pro last year makes no sense. This team has been in transition, not a rebuild. The Giants have another 3-4 year window to win another superbowl with Eli.

Give me an offensive lineman or a pass rusher at 9.

to be stupid enough to take a WR in this draft before fixing the o-line with the starting caliper upgrades we need to give Eli just 3 seconds to get the ball to ANY receiver.

I will NOT be happy with any WR pick in round 1 or 2. Considering the other serious holes we have on this team a WR is about the last thing we need to beef up at this point. Grated it is always nice to add another talented receiver but you must consider the seriousness of our other needs first.

In comment 12202009 Headhunter said:

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Mara has repeatly said it is important to have a strong draft. Using the last draft as a template, they will not be drafting Austin, Barden, Simtin, Hosley, Jernigan types. No boom or bust small college guys, no Tweeners, no round pegs to fit into their holes. They will draft functional pieces. Jay Bromley in the 3rd is the only pick you could possibly question in that round. They will take more team captain high quality people.

Tend to agree. I think we started to see much of that philosophy over the last two drafts. But I could see them taking Marpet in the third.

But he's still the # 3 WR in the draft. Only think about taking him if the other 2 are off the board.

it was almost every thread how great he'd be. NOT!

Beckham as the 3rd ranked receiver was only mentioned here on BBI as to who the Giants might take in the second. Beckham, Cooks, Benjamin & Lee were all discussed in the 2nd WR tier with pro/con for Evans and sure thing with Watkins only.

It's possible the top 3 WRs this year could swap places during their career also.

I can easily see Reese drafting one since we lost Steve Smith Jr. and Hakeem Nicks (possibly Victor Cruz) to career ending injuries. Couple that with the fact that Randle may hit FA next year and WR actually makes sense.

There are no Olinemen this year worth a #9 this year, IMO. No safety or CB either. Defenders that may be available are 3-4 guys that may or may not become useful in 4-3.

Naysayers: Think about it for a few minutes.

But I guess you don't know that the draft is only one round this year, and if they Giants don't draft an O-Lineman at #9, they won't get another chance to do that.

In comment 12202089 Klaatu said:

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But I guess you don't know that the draft is only one round this year, and if they Giants don't draft an O-Lineman at #9, they won't get another chance to do that.

Damn. If they reach for an Olineman at #9 with the only pick, he's probably not going to break into the starting lineup this year unless there is an injury. That's how Pugh & Richburg became starters.

That said, I agree with Retro on where Parker will be tiered relative to Cooper and probably White, he's a tier lower imo.

I recall a lot of members who badly wanted Mike Evans or Ebron, and wondering why we picked a 5"11 punt returner just because he had a sweet one-handed catch on youtube.

Don't you realize that the Giants need to draft not one, but TWO starting 'caliper' offensive linemen, or else Eli will be dead by November?

I've been saying this all along about parker. He is an excellent talent with a lot of upside. Cooper is the best route runner of the 3 but Parkers strength is going up to attack the football at it's highest point,and his R.A.C. ability is outstanding. I'm not as anamoured with Whites 4.35 40 at the combine as most are. He simply doesn't show that kind of speed consistently on tape. Parker is the most explosive on film in my opinion. he averaged almost 20 yards a catch this past year. 2 years ago he averaged 18.6 per reception,and just over 16 yards the other 2 seasons. If Amari isn't there I think it's going to be a simple decision to make just like last year with OBJ. When it came time to make the selection,Reese has stated that there was nothing to talk about,Beckham was the choice all the way. I think it's going to be a similar situation this year. None of the pass rushers at the top of the draft fit what the giants do. Fowler could be an option given his versatility,if he's there. Vic Beasley as well,if the Giants think he can be a 3 down Lb in a 43 defense. But I think Parker is a better prospect and should be rated higher than Fowler. I just can't see Beasley being drafted as a DE. He definitely has the functional strength to play the run on 1st and 2nd down. I think everyone views him as a 34 OLB and a rusher with his hand in the dirt on certain passing situations. Those are the only other viable options in my opinion. I do not see any of the OL worth a top 15 pick let alone at 9. while sherff is versatile and has played LT,I see him as a guard who could play tackle in a pinch. While that does carry value,not enough to warrant a top 10 selection. same with Lael Collins. Although he has a better chance at actually being a tackle in the NFL,I'm still not sure if he isn't better suited at Guard,or even RT. Still not worthy of a top 10 selection. in my view those are the 2 highest rated OL in this draft. I think if the Giants were to wait until they pick at 40 they could get one of the pure G that have the potential to be every bit as good as scherff,or close to it anyway. Or they could look at one of the pass rushers in round 2,or go Corner,as u can never have enough cover guys and pass rushers. They definitely have to address G at some point in the draft,hopefully earlier rather than later,but no earlier than round 2. Maybe they come away with a guy like Ali Marpet in round 3 or 4. They need to address G and OL depth at some point but I think Cooper or Parker in the 1st!!!

In comment 12202113 Klaatu said:

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Don't you realize that the Giants need to draft not one, but TWO starting 'caliper' offensive linemen, or else Eli will be dead by November?

hahaha

Paragraphs are your friends. Don't be afraid to use them.

From what little I've seen, and yes I'll admit my "tape" is limited to Youtube videos, he doesn't get a ton of separation and that worries me. Usually he's out jumping a lesser athlete for the catch.

We've seen tons of big WRs from college bust once they get to the NFL because they can't get separation. So I have concerns about his ability to make the leap to the NFL and as a result I'm not quite sure he's a lock at #9.

That said if the Giants pick him I won't be at all surprised and will immediately jump on the Parker bandwagon.

''They have two highly paid WRs on the team now,
Red Dog : 3/24/2015 11:01 pm : link : reply
and plenty of depth at the position.

Trade down if at all possible, fortify the OL, and find some safeties.''

Agreed to this.

I would add that we ought not consider the DL 'ready ' just yet either!

Remember, this team has done squat,zilch and nada without dominant line play on both sides of the ball.

Or over White. We're just not in the position to know who really is the better WR. It's certainly tight among the top 3 and very tight between White and Parker. He's very impressive overall.

This isn't a draft for safeties. Nothing is going to change that. Any safety they get in this draft is not going to contribute significantly if at all in 2015. Even the best-regarded safety prospects are looked at as projects.

one is that someone will start a thread,

'do you want X or Y at a certain position in round 1',

which leads some into the logic that position in 1 that is best for the team.


then, regarding the safeties:

It remains to be seen. Of course, there is the possibility that Spagnulo can quickly turn Demps and Brown into very good players. However, I would not assume that to be the case, DB's were Fewells bread and butter.

Or that the 2 rooks will play very well. However, one would not rely on that just in practice.

So, depending on the use they put the free safety to next year, one can safely assume that there are players coming out of college right now that we would be glad to have on the roster at very least.

Remember, there is a very long list of colleges that play football, each has a number of defensive backs, and a much shorter list of kids that play safety in the NFL. One would not assume that because the media is not ranting about free safeties that there are none, one would work the numbers.

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Foot injuries scare me for a skill player Lionhart28 : 8:33 am : link : reply Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.

+1

they have one.. and he is attempting to come back from a very serious knee injury..

In comment 12202041 Lionhart28 said:

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Also, if White and Cooper along with the two QBs go in the top ten that means we are going to have really good pass rushers and likely all of the OL on the board. I think the value will be there.

I'd pass