Where does everyone stand on DeVante Parker

In comment 12201903 bigfish703 said:

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In comment 12201896 Stupendamatic said: Quote: he fits our offense better as well. When i looked at his films, I saw that he runs superb routes. He fakes one way & cuts the other very sharply, & that will usually put some distance between him & the CB. I would not complain if we got Parker or White either, but they rely more on straight out speed & athleticism, usually getting free much further down the field than Cooper needs in order to get some space.

I agree that Cooper is the more polished of the three and my preferred choice.

Parker is much better with the ball in his hands after the catch which is why I feel he fits our scheme better (compared to White).

If the draft plays out like you say we will have a choice of the OL and a few pass Rushers. I think Beasley and Fowler are likely gone at 9 as well. So who do you see the value in for rushers and OL and why!? Maybe you can inlighten me because I don't see the (Value) in any of the OL in the top 15 let alone at 9. Other than Beasley I don't see who fits what the Giants do on D. That's only if the Giants see Beasly as an every down LB that can cover and rush with his hand in the dirt. While he certainly has the weightroom strength to play the run I don't see him as a defensive end,and I doubt any of the teams in the top 10 do either.
Fowler may be able to play end in the NFL but I think he's seen as more of a 34 OLB. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong,but I also think he's a little overhyped as a pass rusher. Bud Dupree is every bit the player Fowler is but he's not as highly regarded,and not thought of as a top 10 selection.
If the Giants have a choice between Parker,one of the OL or a certain pass rusher,why should they be considerd better value over Devante?!

by saying straight up that I don't think it is an absolute necessity to draft OL with the first pick. However, this idea that is being thrown about that we can easily find find OL help in the fourth round and beyond is ludicrous. This teams track record in later rounds is not stellar, remember the Whimpers, Brewers, and Moselys of the world. If we are serous about looking to the draft to secure a starting G or OT they are probably have to go that route earlier than the fourth and some one probably from an established program. I would hate to put all are chips on Marpet.

In comment 12202254 blueblood said:

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they have one.. and he is attempting to come back from a very serious knee injury..

Bingo!

Good post and I agree. Marpet in the 3rd makes sense, but hope they won't reach for a player at #40, period.

1) There are other positions without a starter right now, and will less depth overall. Like OL. We don't have a legit starter at guard, unless you want Jerry in there again. Also OL depth is terrible. DL is another position that needs an infusion more than WR, IMO.

2) In 3 years you are going to have to make a decision on which WR you want to re-sign, Beckham or Cooper/White/Parker. Because big contracts for both could be cap-prohibitive. So in a sense we'd be getting the benefit of this top 10 pick for only a few years.

Add to those concerns the concern that Parker is another "if he hadn't been injured, he would have...." type guy, and I am against it.

Read Ira's "deep at wide receiver" thread.

As for paying two WRs a second pro contract, GB made it happen along with AR. Cap is going way up, Abrams will handle it. Four years is an eternity in football, Eli's probably gone, for example.

we should have no reason to be worried about which WR to re-sign.

Can't draft in 2015 thinking about contracts in 2018. It doesn't work. The unspeakable could and does happen.

In comment 12202352 Reb8thVA said:

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by saying straight up that I don't think it is an absolute necessity to draft OL with the first pick. However, this idea that is being thrown about that we can easily find find OL help in the fourth round and beyond is ludicrous. This teams track record in later rounds is not stellar, remember the Whimpers, Brewers, and Moselys of the world. If we are serous about looking to the draft to secure a starting G or OT they are probably have to go that route earlier than the fourth and some one probably from an established program. I would hate to put all are chips on Marpet.

I can't imagine the Giants not drafting an O-Lineman somewhere in the first three rounds (maybe even the first two), but the idea that it absolutely must be in the first round really annoys me. If it happens, fine. If it doesn't, all is not lost.

AJ Green is a the perfect NFL comp and that player is worth the #9 pick.

I think Parker is the #1 WR in this draft. I see no risk at all. He can do everything. And everything he does will work in the NFL. Size, speed, leaping ability, length, great hands, ball skills, gets off press, and he's strong too.

I love how he goes up for the ball. This is what pushes him to #1 for me. What he does will work in the NFL and produce a lot of TDs and big plays. He's a very easy leaper. Quickly explodes off the ground and can adjust while in the air. He goes up strong and those long arms sure help when he's in the air to high point the ball.

I like White a lot too because he's great in the air and on contested balls but Parker seems to plant and explode a little better.

Parker will be an immediate impact player. We'll have a lot of good options at #9 but Parker is definitely on the short list.

Certainly not a skill prospect who has already broken his foot once.

And there certainly are can't miss prospects. Based on his football ability only there is no chance he doesn't become an impact player. There is nothing missing there.

I have him close to White both well below Cooper. I am actually not sure I don't like him more than White really. The problem I have with both Parker and White is they have smaller hands than I like. Usually... Not always, but usually smaller hands don't catch the ball as well. Both White and Parker have had issues with drops in the past. I like WRs that catch the ball because if you get open or the QB makes a great throw then you have to make the catch. It is something that frustrates me with Victor Cruz really. He dropped way to many passes for my liking before getting hurt last year. I would be ok with Parker, but he is not another OBJ. He is a completely different WR and completely different skill set. That isn't a bad thing, but don't expect OBJ. To me I would go elsewhere if Cooper is gone.

In comment 12202527 KWALL2 said:

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And there certainly are can't miss prospects. Based on his football ability only there is no chance he doesn't become an impact player. There is nothing missing there.

There have been plenty of can't miss prospects that missed. Better players than Parker for sure. LB Aaron Curry, RB Trent Richardson, CB Morris Claiborne, RB Darren McFadden, RB Reggie Bush, FS Michael Huff, etc

Parker doesn't run the best routes, has had issues with drops, doesn't have big hands, has some injury concerns, etc. He is far from can't miss, but if very talented. He is a good fit opposite of OBJ. IMO I want a player that A) catches everything in site and B) Runs great routes... Eli will throw a ball where he expects you to be, so I want a WR that will be there. Still a fan though, but I don't think I would push him above many other players that could help.

Also while this draft is deep in WR... It isn't close to last year. Last year had like 6-7 WRs projected as 1st rounders and a ton others projected as 2nd-3rd rounders. This year there are less on each of those levels, but has some good back end picks in the 4th-7th range. Not nearly as good though.

First of all you don't draft a player in the first round and worry about his 2nd contract in 4 or 5 years. A lot can happen in that time span. Everything can change in an instant. See Victor Cruz!!! It doesn't matter of OL is more of a need. you can't draft a player 8-10 spots higher than he deserves just because you have a need. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round you could make a case for doing this,but definitely not the 1st round at 9th overall.
I agree completely that a G is needed,as well as depth for the OL and DL. Competition breeds success! As I've stated before we'll have a chance at 40 to get a pure guard comparable to anyone drafted in the 1st. Not to say the Giants will go in that direction at 40 but it's definitely an option. There's more value drafting OL at 40 then to reach for one at 9...

Sports are replete with can't miss guys...that missed. There is no such thing. #1 overall draft picks miss all the time. Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell and just those are since 200. Aaron Curry was considered a 'sure thing' by many...bust. So stop the 'can't miss'...'sure thing' hyperbole. Nobody is buying it.

It is natural to him. He puts the db on his back and is a bug target. He is kind of like plax. A little smaller and a little faster

if Cooper and White are gone. Is the mot explosive of the three cording to the BBIrs.Get a good gauard at 40.

What if say DT Malcom Brown, DE Alvin Dupree, SS Landon Collins, CB Trae Waynes, DE Shane Ray, or Jordan Phillips fall to that pick. You are going to bypass now a better player to pick the OG or you going to take the much higher player who fell? Someone will fall. If you bypass again now you are looking OG in the 3rd I guess hoping one is there, but don't forget you need safeties also.

There's 7 rounds don't forget,G at some point is bound to be the pick . If you can upgrade your talent level through the draft then that's what you do. If you can't upgrade a certain position you've just got to live with what you've got until an opportunity presents itself. If it's next year in free agency then so be it,or even next years draft. that's the way the NFL works. I know it's not ideal but there's still camp cuts,the draft and rookie FA still to come. You can't upgrade every position year in and year out. although it would be nice that's just not realistic.
I hate to tell everyone here but the running game is an attitude and a mentality more than anything. If the OL stays healthy this year and they develop some consistency,that alone helps the run game. Lets not forget Jennings looked pretty good at times last year before he was injured. he was the 2nd or 3rd leading rusher in the league after the Texans game. Williams was also a rookie adjusting to the NFL. He showed some good improvement throughout the year. Tenn and STL are a good example.
Lets not forget in 2013 as Mara stated the offense was broken,wich subsequently led to Gilbrides forced retirement. The line was blocking for the likes of Andre Brown,Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs. 2 hasbeens and a never was. No one here thinks to take all of this into consideration.
It's amazing how people can be such diehard fans,yet they know so little about the game and how it's played.
Do I think there need to be upgrades at the G position,yes absolutely. Depth is an is a big issue as well,but the situation is nowhere near as dire as some here make it out to be.

fretting so much over what JR will do at 9.

Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM?

Since Aaron Ross, at least?

Need to also accept that there is a good chance they will not be that good or able to start right away...or be any better then what they have initially.

In comment 12203524 BlueLou said:

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fretting so much over what JR will do at 9. Really, has Rese fucked up a first round pick since he has been the GM? Since Aaron Ross, at least?

Even Ross wasn't that bad.