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NFT: Why can't St. John's quickly decide on Lavin's future?

MookGiants : 3/25/2015 8:36 am
They haven't said a word since the season ended. Some other teams have already hired a coach (like Miss State with Howland) or are closing in on one, like Danny Hurley at DePaul.

Yet St. John's sits here and still haven't announced whether or not Lavin is coming back, it's ridiculous. They'll wait a couple weeks and have top candidates already off the market by the time they decide.

Just fire him already. They have a very good chance of being the worst team in the Big East next year, Lavin has left this program a mess going forward. Start the rebuild now and don't let Lavin ruin the program any further.

The new President needs to shit or get off the pot. I am hopeful that things will be different under his leadership but they need to make the decision now.
if Jordan and Obekpa  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 8:38 am : link
don't return, which is a very real possibility and even probability that they don't return, the team could be historically bad next year. Like win 4-5 games total bad.
Agreed Mook  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 8:42 am : link
Bobby Hurley is favored at DePaul.

Obekpa and Jordan are gone. Rysheed played himself into the 2nd round the last month of the year

The Post reported that Lavin has contacted networks regarding a return to broadcasting.

I like Cluess from Iona
I'd love mark Jackson also

As a long-time fan of SJU....back before Mullins, etc.....  
GiantBlue : 3/25/2015 8:43 am : link
I am very disgusted with this team...classic underachievers each and every year. I don't know what the answer is, but I see schools in the heartland with less talent that scrap and fight to win games that St. John's typically loses.
Lavins left the program in a total rebuild 5 years in  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 8:45 am : link
I'm sympathetic Bc he lost time w the cancer but you hear a lot of whispers that he's not putting the time in. He refuses to recruit locally. Why let those kids leave the city when some of them end up playing college ball in the area?

He's had some success but I think we expected much more. Zero post season success. It's not good enough.
Lavin  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 8:46 am : link
also recently has had the balls to blame things on Harkless and Sampson leaving early for the NBA.

Yeah, Harkless should have stayed around for 4 years when he was a first rounder after 1 season. What a loser Lavin is. How about get someone to replace him. Besides one class his recruiting has been absolute shit
If they were keeping him  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 9:00 am : link
Wouldn't they have announced it already?
RE: If they were keeping him  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12202080 bxgiants4 said:
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Wouldn't they have announced it already?


Who knows with them.

They also need to get rid of the awful AD Monasch while they are at it.
Who would u bring in  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 9:11 am : link
?
Is it Danny or Bobby going to DePaul?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2015 9:14 am : link
Neither of them should go, that job is a dead end. And Bobby's nearly got his entire team coming back + juco transfer Maurice O'Field. They should win the MAC.

If I'm them, I stay at Rhode Island/Buffalo unless SJU/Seton Hall/Rutgers offers.
Hurley  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:15 am : link
would have been a good option but they'll let him go to DePaul before they even make a decision on Lavin. Mind numbing. The decision on Lavin should have been made weeks ago
Bobby  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:16 am : link
is the one rumored to be the front runner at DePaul
RE: Bobby  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12202116 MookGiants said:
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is the one rumored to be the front runner at DePaul


I know it's the Big East, but I don't see it happening there.
He'll be gone  
KWhite2250 : 3/25/2015 9:25 am : link
By monday. They should've rushed and not missed out on Howlsnd but st johns can never do anything right
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I'm not a Howland  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:27 am : link
guy so I'm not disappointed they didn't get him.

I'd prefer a young guy to build this back up. Will take some patience but we are going to suck next year no matter who they bring in, they could bring Tom Izzo in and they'd suck next year
I do find it ridiculous  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:29 am : link
that it's going to take 10 days from the end of the season to decide his fate. Why are they waiting until this weekend or monday? They should have figured it out last weekend, or even well before that.
you never hear his name mentioned with open jobs  
Greg from LI : 3/25/2015 9:31 am : link
But Chris Mooney is a damned good coach.
I want  
KWhite2250 : 3/25/2015 9:31 am : link
Danny Hurley or Archie Miller. Doubt we'll get either because I just dont expect anything good to happen for st johns.
They should've known weeks ago  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 9:32 am : link
Barring some sort of deep NCAA run. Obekpa sealed his fate. Jordan was a mess from day 1. Counting every year on guys who can't qualify sucks

Who's this Sammy Albano? He's been burying Lavin on twitter
Archie Miller  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:36 am : link
is a pipe dream but would be a grand slam hire.

Hurley is realistic to get, but they probably will wait too long.

If they go the route of former St. John's legend they need their heads examined.

I bet the financial backer talked about in that article is Repole. Hope he gets his way.
RE: Agreed Mook  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12202056 bxgiants4 said:
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I like Cluess from Iona
I'd love mark Jackson also


Cluess at least can recruit the city/boroughs with his style of play.
He has SJU roots also  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 9:37 am : link
Jackson had nba success and should be a good draw

Mark Jackson  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 9:39 am : link
is the absolute last person St. John's should hire.
Hurley extended at buffalo  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 9:40 am : link
He's out
RE: Hurley extended at buffalo  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12202187 bxgiants4 said:
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He's out


It was all leverage. Like I said, that team is going to be real good.
RE: Hurley extended at buffalo  
KWhite2250 : 3/25/2015 9:58 am : link
In comment 12202187 bxgiants4 said:
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He's out


Danny is the one we want. Both are going to be very good coaches but most believe Danny will be the better of the 2.
All I can say is this won't go past the end of the week  
marbles : 3/25/2015 10:08 am : link
I have heard he is gone. The delay is likely due to working on a buyout and getting certain assurances from candidates that they will take the job if offered.

Remember, while Bobby Hurley may be the leading candidate at Depaul, he hasn't bitten yet. One of his thousands of contacts could have easily let him know to hang tight on any decision. Also, other than Howland (who I was a big proponent of), all other realistic candidates are available.

Also of note, the DePaul job is more difficult than the SJU job. Not only dors DePaul have to compete for local kids against Big Ten schools, the finances of the city Chicago and the state of Illinois may cause a pause in the new arena.
RE: Hurley extended at buffalo  
marbles : 3/25/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12202187 bxgiants4 said:
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He's out


By the way, Hurley has not signed yet. It is a bargaining tool for more money when another school calls.
A Lavin thread  
Mr. Bungle : 3/25/2015 10:15 am : link
with no picture of his wife???
Hurley apparently reupped with Buffalo  
Section331 : 3/25/2015 11:12 am : link
(not that that means much), but CBS says Bryce Drew is the odds-on bet for DePaul. SJU could be negotiating Lavin's buyout before making an announcement, or maybe he's staying, and they don't feel the need to say anything.
Why? Because maybe it's not such an easy job to fill.  
Victor in CT : 3/25/2015 11:38 am : link
In case you haven't noticed, St. Johns is no longer a marquee program.
RE: Why? Because maybe it's not such an easy job to fill.  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12202493 Victor in CT said:
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In case you haven't noticed, St. Johns is no longer a marquee program.


They can easily fill the job. They don't need to make a splash, they need to make a solid hire that plenty of programs that are no better than them have made in the past.

RE: Why? Because maybe it's not such an easy job to fill.  
marbles : 3/25/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12202493 Victor in CT said:
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In case you haven't noticed, St. Johns is no longer a marquee program.


Here is where I disagree. There are only about 10 "marquee" programs. Most are in the middle, and the right coach can make it a very good. Heck, UCLA had down years until Howland went there and rebuilt it.

Uconn isn't a marquee program any longer because of the conference. There won't be anymore title runs like they had in Ollie's first year.

SJU's problem is they have made bad coaching hires since Carnesecca's retirement. With the right hire, and there is no reason the school won't be in the NCAA's regularly, and make a nice run every couple of years.

Exactly  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 12:01 pm : link
Marbles

St. John's is a good job. No reason why someone can't get kids to compete at msg in the big east.

Butler Xavier and providence aren't marquee jobs and they make deep runs.
names being heard from the inside are  
viggie : 3/25/2015 12:28 pm : link
Danny Hurley at URI and get this...Chris mullin. Mullin i didn't know went to xaverian with Barry "slice"Rohrssen who happens to be one of kentuckys lead recruiters. Ive heard if mullin took the gig , slice comes along with him possibly.
3 year extension in the works  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 6:15 pm : link
Per NY Post
Hahahaha  
KWhite2250 : 3/25/2015 6:17 pm : link
Screw st johns.
unfuckingbelievable  
MookGiants : 3/25/2015 6:24 pm : link
what a disaster. They're going to be awful next year, and then they wont be able to fire him because they'll owe him like 6 million dollars.

Fucking disaster. Fuck Monsach. Fuck the school president. Awful awful decision
It's back to step 1  
bxgiants4 : 3/25/2015 6:36 pm : link
Again. Lmao.
lmao  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/25/2015 6:38 pm : link
sorry Mook.
RE: lmao  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/25/2015 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12203512 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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sorry Mook.


Keep recruiting those one and nones, Steve.
Any news on this?  
bxgiants4 : 3/27/2015 11:15 am : link
Crickets from everyone including the beat writers. Meanwhile Cluess and a few others got extensions yesterday.
I feel your pain, Mook  
Greg from LI : 3/27/2015 11:17 am : link
This is like the basketball version of Mike London. Just a neverending trip through hell.
RE: Any news on this?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/27/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12206254 bxgiants4 said:
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Crickets from everyone including the beat writers. Meanwhile Cluess and a few others got extensions yesterday.


Even Francesa had no idea. I think he's lost his connections.
RE: RE: Any news on this?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/27/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12206258 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12206254 bxgiants4 said:


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Crickets from everyone including the beat writers. Meanwhile Cluess and a few others got extensions yesterday.



Even Francesa had no idea. I think he's lost his connections.


this may be like the Rick Barnes situation, where Lavin is being asked to bring in an assistant or two stronger in Xs and Os.
Is that speculation  
bxgiants4 : 3/27/2015 12:04 pm : link
Or from a source bobby?

It sounds solid!
News coming soon  
marbles : 3/27/2015 12:28 pm : link
Saying Lavin is out.
RE: Is that speculation  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/27/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12206392 bxgiants4 said:
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Or from a source bobby?

It sounds solid!


Pure speculation. I think him being out makes more sense if they don't have a recruiting class anyway. Barnes, on the other hand, has a lot of talent that may transfer if he's fired.
RE: News coming soon  
KWhite2250 : 3/27/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12206439 marbles said:
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Saying Lavin is out.


Heard this too but I wont believe it until I see it. Its a joke that it taked this long to just make up your damn minds
their minds  
MookGiants : 3/27/2015 2:06 pm : link
should have been made up 2 months ago.
Good to see that he is likely gone now  
KevinBBWC : 3/27/2015 2:22 pm : link
Hopefully they get someone good. Matt Abdelmassih still interests me a lot. Just wonder if they want someone with head coaching experience.
He's  
Pego61 : 3/27/2015 2:27 pm : link
gone
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Nice to see that it is official  
KevinBBWC : 3/27/2015 2:31 pm : link
Hopefully whoever they hire does a great job but Lavin had to go. Couldn't coach or recruit.
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