I know I have absolutely nothing to support my thoughts on this other than the injury numbers but I just cant grasp the concept that it's just a coincidence.
I know I have absolutely nothing to support my thoughts on this other than the injury numbers but I just cant grasp the concept that it's just a coincidence.
Same here. It's not just the past couple of years, it's the past decade or so. It just seems like we've had an unusual number of players lost to injury during that timeframe.
I know I have absolutely nothing to support my thoughts on this other than the injury numbers but I just cant grasp the concept that it's just a coincidence.
Same here. It's not just the past couple of years, it's the past decade or so. It just seems like we've had an unusual number of players lost to injury during that timeframe.
We have. You also cant blame Metlife b/c the Jets have been consistently one of the more healthier teams over the years.
I know I have absolutely nothing to support my thoughts on this other than the injury numbers but I just cant grasp the concept that it's just a coincidence.
But there just isn't a better explanation.
And just in case folks were wondering, if it happens again we'll be 6-10 again.
Do you have something to support this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't look at the Giants as an old team. And the older players, like Rolle and Eli are always on the field.
I just think its a function of loyalty and losing.....
I had posted this once before. We had this same basic problem a long time ago and hired a guy named Johnny Parker as strength & Conditioning coach. I have no idea what he did or what he avoided or what equipment was used or whatever. All I know is that from a heavily injured team we became a healthy one as soon as he took over.
Maybe the Giants can do some research regarding just what Mr. Parker did. This shit just cannot continue.
just asking. Beason, Schwartz, Kennard, Jennings, Bennett Jackson just in the last 2 years all had significant prior injuries either in college, pros or both
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
Drafting and signing guys with injury histories?
Victor in CT : 1:09 pm : link : reply
just asking. Beason, Schwartz, Kennard, Jennings, Bennett Jackson just in the last 2 years all had significant prior injuries either in college, pros or both
On one hand, the team was hoping they could contribute. On the other hand, there was never much chance they would.
Some of the key guys, in terms of missed starts, were:
Schwartz 14
Cruz 10
Jennings 7
Beckham ~5 (though he might not count technically)
Pugh 2
Beason 12
Thurmond 14
Amukamara 8
J. Williams 7
Jenkins ~4
Kennard ~4
Ayers/Kiwanuka ~4
Others whose season was basically wiped out by assorted misfortunes included Cooper Taylor, Mario Manningham, Bennett Jackson, Brandon Mosley and Jayron Hosley.
people are asking the Giants only now about the crazy rash or injuries. However, with the trend line that you see that was taking place before the 2013, it would have been fair to wonder about the injuries with them in the bottom 10 for 3 straight years before bottoming out.
It likely speaks to the amount of talent the Giants truly had on those squads that allowed them to overcome being that injured and still win games. That is the only thing I can come up with.
In comment 12202707 BigBlueShock said:
[quote] In comment 12202682 phil in arizona said:
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age.
We need to get younger.
Do you have something to support this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't look at the Giants as an old team. And the older pl
The giants were the second oldest team in the NFL last year , after only the raiders, and the recent signings raised the avg age. we may well be the oldest team in the NFL right now, with an avg age of 27, whereas the league avg is 26.
is why your backups have to be relatively close in talent to starters.
I'd like to imagine what the reverse would have been like, even if some of the following guys only played here in their first contract, and all other things being equal, if we had a healthy: Bradshaw,Boss,SSmith2,TThomas,KPhillips,Nicks,DWilson,even a JAlford.And a Plax that stayed home that night.
1 or 2 more SBs wins? And no one judging TCs coaching and age.
RE: Here is how it breaks down for each since 2007
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
And the Off Co and Def Co were the reason the those units underperformed, not the players. And Marc Ross is the cause of the poor drafts. But Jerry Reese, who is SVP and GM and head of all things football has nothing to do with it.
Again, I only went through 2 years and found 5 players that the Giants CHOSE to draft or sign as FAs who had significant injuries in either college, pros or both. All of them missed major time with injuries last year. And you want to blame the conditioning coach? He may or may not be helping, but if you give a chef stale ingredients I doubt the meal will taste good.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
Really? Someone posted above a very valid point that some of the FA signings the Giants have made in recent years have significant injury histories. Is that the fault of the S&C coaches? Beckham's lost games were as a result of an injury at a mini-camp. Do S&C coaches at least get one training camp to have an impact? Chris Snee was held together with bailing wire for his last year. He really should have just retired the season before. Should those injury days go against S&C?
It's not nearly as cut an dried as you think it is.
Maybe the most injured the past two years, but ONE OF the most injured for a long time. Every freaking year.
That's my point Curtis. If I have time this afternoon I'll dig back further, but if you sing guys with injury histories you shouldn't be surprised if they get hurt again
RE: RE: RE: Here is how it breaks down for each since 2007
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
Really? Someone posted above a very valid point that some of the FA signings the Giants have made in recent years have significant injury histories. Is that the fault of the S&C coaches? Beckham's lost games were as a result of an injury at a mini-camp. Do S&C coaches at least get one training camp to have an impact? Chris Snee was held together with bailing wire for his last year. He really should have just retired the season before. Should those injury days go against S&C?
It's not nearly as cut an dried as you think it is.
Umm... Giants had an issue with injuries during the 2006 season as well.
but I suspect it's a combination of things. Bad luck (see Canty, Boley, Chad Jones, Nicks, Steve Smith, etc) and taking a risk by signing/drafting guys with an injury history (TT, Jennings, Schwartz, Beason, etc). Can't remember if David Wilson had an injury history in college but he certainly falls into one of those categories.
Sometimes it works out and doesn't bite you back, see Rolle and Tuck for a couple quick examples.
No matter the answer, NYG has to find a way to "correct" this problem.
are so varied in nature that it's hard to point a single unifying cause. i think it's a multi-faceted problem (signing guys with injury histories, strenth/conditioning, stretching, business decisions by some players, maybe conservative medical advice, the practice schedules).....hopefully giants brass gets to the bottom of it.
Will Beatty, Travis Beckum, Terrell Thomas, James Brewer, Sean Locklear, Shaun Rogers, Keith Rivers, Keith Bulluck, Shawn Andrews. All had prior injury histories, all spent time on the IR for the Giants. Add in the 5 from 2013 and 2014 that's 14 that they signed knowing that they had health issues. And all on IR at one time or another for the Giants
RE: RE: Here is how it breaks down for each since 2007
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
I am, and have been, on the "something's wrong here" side of the argument, but a random distribution is going to have "clumps," and runs of bad luck, and stuff like that. And no, that kind of bad luck doesn't even out in the short term .
Theyve been team medical team since the 1920's. Went to everybodys weddings and fed maras cat when he went on vacation...
But .... What about the injuries? I cannot completely absolve the training and/or med staff. Are we too clean? Too old fashioned? Who knows, but something stinks!
something is wrong
to have one year as worst injuried is an outlier
to have back to back as most injured teams
which has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN NFL
means there is a serious problem with NY Giants strength and conditioning
and I am sure that this reputation is not a secret around the NFL and probably was a factor in GIants whiffing in Free Agency
something is wrong
to have one year as worst injuried is an outlier
to have back to back as most injured teams
which has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN NFL
means there is a serious problem with NY Giants strength and conditioning
and I am sure that this reputation is not a secret around the NFL and probably was a factor in GIants whiffing in Free Agency
Giants have suffered from heavy injuries for more than a decade. It's not a new phenomenon. In fact both Fassel and Coughlin blamed injuries to key positions for some of their poor seasons.
2006, Coughlin got into arguments with the NY media about injuries particularly on defense and his defense of Tim Lewis and some in the media threw back in face his comments about the 03 Giants injuries.
RE: Here is how it breaks down for each since 2007
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
are the stats available pre-2007? would be curious to see 2004-2006 as well as the fassel era.
Coach. Each injury has to be evaluated on its own to determine how they are happening. We had a few torn pecs last year. Is that a function of too much lifting? Lifting wrong or with too much weight or was it a freak occurrence? Schwartz dislocates a toe in pre-season, is that due to lifting and lack of conditioning? Some injuries occur because the player may be using wrong fundamentals too and trying to compensate. There's so many reasons and I'm sure they've looked at them all. All they can do is try to mitigate injuries considering all factors.
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
are the stats available pre-2007? would be curious to see 2004-2006 as well as the fassel era.
Football Outsiders doesn't have them posted on its free site. They state though that they have been tracking it since 2002.
They even have it broken down by Offense/Defense as well as by position group (ex. Defensive Back - Giants finished 31st, behind the Raiders who set the all-time worst mark.)
But the kept veterans with severe injury histories
Ohara, Snee, Tuck
These are great Giants who deserved and received the managements respect, and were not cut early in their post-peak years. When they get injured, do not complain about it. Else you will wind up with a team like the Eagles that shows no loyalty and gets no SBs
The Giants' were down about 2 starters per game more than the 2nd most injured team, and have the most injuries by far since 2007. Part of that is that the totals for the last two years are higher across the board as the concussion protocol has come in to force and been strengthened, but the Giants' last two years are major outliers.
I'd blame the strength and conditioning guys, but the injuries don't seem clustered in one area and haven't been, for the most part, the sorts of things better S&C could prevent.
It could be that we have more guys with injury histories than other teams, but I'd like to see some data to back that up before I believe it. All teams have guys with significant injury histories, and I'd guess most of the NFL players have missed some time with injury. Patriots certainly do.
but the Giants have had an epidemic of rookies with hamstring injuries for years under Coughlin. OBJ last year. Taylor Cooper the year before. Steve Smith his rookie year. Many more of them. What are the Giants doing when they get their hands on these guys that blows out their hamstrings?
to throw the blame this direction - not surprised who it was. As a purported insider, I'd expect Thomas would know what the fuck the responsibilities were of the trainers and medical staff:
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Whete is ronnie barnes
area junc : 3/25/2015 2:47 pm : link : reply
And dr. Warren in all this?
Theyve been team medical team since the 1920's. Went to everybodys weddings and fed maras cat when he went on vacation...
But .... What about the injuries? I cannot completely absolve the training and/or med staff. Are we too clean? Too old fashioned? Who knows, but something stinks!
Dr. Warren doesn't get involved until a player gets hurt. then, he's responsible for charting out the treatment process and giving opinion on surgical options. The trainers can do very little from a preventative standpoint other than basic taping, which is far too ineffective to stop the harmful forces that are caused by bodies of today's size twisting joints.
Strength and Conditioning would definitely play a larger part since it has to do with building mass vs. stretching protocols and flexibility drills, etc.
The training and medical staff work really begins once the event has happened, and often times, that is too late.
Back to back to back.
Same here. It's not just the past couple of years, it's the past decade or so. It just seems like we've had an unusual number of players lost to injury during that timeframe.
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I know I have absolutely nothing to support my thoughts on this other than the injury numbers but I just cant grasp the concept that it's just a coincidence.
Same here. It's not just the past couple of years, it's the past decade or so. It just seems like we've had an unusual number of players lost to injury during that timeframe.
We have. You also cant blame Metlife b/c the Jets have been consistently one of the more healthier teams over the years.
2. same O-line coach
3. same strength/conditioning team
We need to get younger.
But there just isn't a better explanation.
And just in case folks were wondering, if it happens again we'll be 6-10 again.
We need to get younger.
Do you have something to support this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't look at the Giants as an old team. And the older players, like Rolle and Eli are always on the field.
Pretnding the lines can still play out of respect for past success turn games that shouldn't have been into games lost.
Not enough science in injuries for teams to be at signifiant advantage or disadvantage.
Maybe the Giants can do some research regarding just what Mr. Parker did. This shit just cannot continue.
- BBI Mouthbreather Society
Pretnding the lines can still play out of respect for past success turn games that shouldn't have been into games lost.
Not enough science in injuries for teams to be at signifiant advantage or disadvantage.
Injuries are a function of loyalty? hmmmmmmm.
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When you start 0 - 6, everybody is going to bail for business purposes.
Pretnding the lines can still play out of respect for past success turn games that shouldn't have been into games lost.
Not enough science in injuries for teams to be at signifiant advantage or disadvantage.
Injuries are a function of loyalty? hmmmmmmm.
Lots of injuries hit well before 0-6.
As it relates to the Giants:
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
Victor in CT : 1:09 pm : link : reply
just asking. Beason, Schwartz, Kennard, Jennings, Bennett Jackson just in the last 2 years all had significant prior injuries either in college, pros or both
+1
Some of the key guys, in terms of missed starts, were:
Schwartz 14
Cruz 10
Jennings 7
Beckham ~5 (though he might not count technically)
Pugh 2
Beason 12
Thurmond 14
Amukamara 8
J. Williams 7
Jenkins ~4
Kennard ~4
Ayers/Kiwanuka ~4
Others whose season was basically wiped out by assorted misfortunes included Cooper Taylor, Mario Manningham, Bennett Jackson, Brandon Mosley and Jayron Hosley.
It likely speaks to the amount of talent the Giants truly had on those squads that allowed them to overcome being that injured and still win games. That is the only thing I can come up with.
[quote] In comment 12202682 phil in arizona said:
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age.
We need to get younger.
Do you have something to support this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't look at the Giants as an old team. And the older pl
The giants were the second oldest team in the NFL last year , after only the raiders, and the recent signings raised the avg age. we may well be the oldest team in the NFL right now, with an avg age of 27, whereas the league avg is 26.
I'd like to imagine what the reverse would have been like, even if some of the following guys only played here in their first contract, and all other things being equal, if we had a healthy: Bradshaw,Boss,SSmith2,TThomas,KPhillips,Nicks,DWilson,even a JAlford.And a Plax that stayed home that night.
1 or 2 more SBs wins? And no one judging TCs coaching and age.
As it relates to the Giants:
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
Again, I only went through 2 years and found 5 players that the Giants CHOSE to draft or sign as FAs who had significant injuries in either college, pros or both. All of them missed major time with injuries last year. And you want to blame the conditioning coach? He may or may not be helping, but if you give a chef stale ingredients I doubt the meal will taste good.
The Giants started doing yoga a few years ago to address injuries. I remember it was heavily discussed on this forum.
Really? Someone posted above a very valid point that some of the FA signings the Giants have made in recent years have significant injury histories. Is that the fault of the S&C coaches? Beckham's lost games were as a result of an injury at a mini-camp. Do S&C coaches at least get one training camp to have an impact? Chris Snee was held together with bailing wire for his last year. He really should have just retired the season before. Should those injury days go against S&C?
It's not nearly as cut an dried as you think it is.
That's my point Curtis. If I have time this afternoon I'll dig back further, but if you sing guys with injury histories you shouldn't be surprised if they get hurt again
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That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
Really? Someone posted above a very valid point that some of the FA signings the Giants have made in recent years have significant injury histories. Is that the fault of the S&C coaches? Beckham's lost games were as a result of an injury at a mini-camp. Do S&C coaches at least get one training camp to have an impact? Chris Snee was held together with bailing wire for his last year. He really should have just retired the season before. Should those injury days go against S&C?
It's not nearly as cut an dried as you think it is.
Umm... Giants had an issue with injuries during the 2006 season as well.
Sometimes it works out and doesn't bite you back, see Rolle and Tuck for a couple quick examples.
No matter the answer, NYG has to find a way to "correct" this problem.
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As it relates to the Giants:
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is NOT random. That is a pattern in every sense of the word.It's unmistakeable.The strength and conditioning coach needs to go, and if for no other reason that he hasn't figured out why it's occurring, besides the fact he hasn't been able to prevent it.There is no argument to retain the man, beyond pure cronyism.
Theyve been team medical team since the 1920's. Went to everybodys weddings and fed maras cat when he went on vacation...
But .... What about the injuries? I cannot completely absolve the training and/or med staff. Are we too clean? Too old fashioned? Who knows, but something stinks!
to have one year as worst injuried is an outlier
to have back to back as most injured teams
which has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN NFL
means there is a serious problem with NY Giants strength and conditioning
and I am sure that this reputation is not a secret around the NFL and probably was a factor in GIants whiffing in Free Agency
to have one year as worst injuried is an outlier
to have back to back as most injured teams
which has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN NFL
means there is a serious problem with NY Giants strength and conditioning
and I am sure that this reputation is not a secret around the NFL and probably was a factor in GIants whiffing in Free Agency
Giants have suffered from heavy injuries for more than a decade. It's not a new phenomenon. In fact both Fassel and Coughlin blamed injuries to key positions for some of their poor seasons.
2006, Coughlin got into arguments with the NY media about injuries particularly on defense and his defense of Tim Lewis and some in the media threw back in face his comments about the 03 Giants injuries.
As it relates to the Giants:
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
Outrageous.
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As it relates to the Giants:
2007: 4th in the NFC, 6th in the NFL
2008: 7th in the NFC, 11th in the NFL
2009: 9th in the NFC, 19th in the NFL
2010: 10th in the NFC, 22nd in the NFL
2011: 12th in the NFC, 26th in the NFL
2012: 13th in the NFC, 25th in the NFL
2013: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
2014: WORST in the NFC, WORST in the NFL
They have been on the wrong side of the injury bug in terms of games lost for the last SIX years.
It has trended worse and worse every year before the complete demolition the last two years.
are the stats available pre-2007? would be curious to see 2004-2006 as well as the fassel era.
Football Outsiders doesn't have them posted on its free site. They state though that they have been tracking it since 2002.
They even have it broken down by Offense/Defense as well as by position group (ex. Defensive Back - Giants finished 31st, behind the Raiders who set the all-time worst mark.)
Ohara, Snee, Tuck
These are great Giants who deserved and received the managements respect, and were not cut early in their post-peak years. When they get injured, do not complain about it. Else you will wind up with a team like the Eagles that shows no loyalty and gets no SBs
I'd blame the strength and conditioning guys, but the injuries don't seem clustered in one area and haven't been, for the most part, the sorts of things better S&C could prevent.
It could be that we have more guys with injury histories than other teams, but I'd like to see some data to back that up before I believe it. All teams have guys with significant injury histories, and I'd guess most of the NFL players have missed some time with injury. Patriots certainly do.
area junc : 3/25/2015 2:47 pm : link : reply
And dr. Warren in all this?
Theyve been team medical team since the 1920's. Went to everybodys weddings and fed maras cat when he went on vacation...
But .... What about the injuries? I cannot completely absolve the training and/or med staff. Are we too clean? Too old fashioned? Who knows, but something stinks!
Dr. Warren doesn't get involved until a player gets hurt. then, he's responsible for charting out the treatment process and giving opinion on surgical options. The trainers can do very little from a preventative standpoint other than basic taping, which is far too ineffective to stop the harmful forces that are caused by bodies of today's size twisting joints.
Strength and Conditioning would definitely play a larger part since it has to do with building mass vs. stretching protocols and flexibility drills, etc.
The training and medical staff work really begins once the event has happened, and often times, that is too late.