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2015 NFL Draft Preview - QB

Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 12:41 pm
CURRENT NYG QBs ON ROSTER

Eli Manning – 34 years old – Signed through 2015

Ryan Nassib – 25 years old – Signed through 2016

Ricky Stanzi – 27 years old – Signed through 2015

WHERE THEY STAND:

Could be it be that the NYG brass is going to let the 11 year starter enter the final year of his contract without an extension? That appears to be the case. I would put the heavy odds on him being here for at least another 3-4 years but even the most faithful of Manning supporters need to admit that the post-Eli plan needs to be thought about. Franchise QBs are incredibly hard to find, I get it. When you have one, you need to hold on tight and pay market value if not more, I get it. Manning had one of his best overall seasons in year one of a new offensive system, I get it. The issue here is a simple case of economics; is Manning worth a $20+ cap number as he enters the final years of his contract? With the amount of holes on this roster, a credible case could be made for either direction. Nassib hasn’t showed enough during preseason games to warrant confidence for down the road. Perhaps he shines during practice and we have no idea. Stanzi is a training camp body. But to say NYG needs a fresh, young QB on the depth chart is far from inappropriate.

TOP 10 GRADES:

1 – Jameis Winston – Florida State - 6’4/231 – 80

Upside Pro Comparison – Ben Roethlisberger/PIT

The necessary talent is there. Winston has all the physical tools you want out of a QB. His size, presence, arm strength, accuracy, and mobility to warrant the first round grade. Would I consider him an elite thrower? No. An elite mover? No. However one thing he does have (and NYG fans will understand the importance of this) is the poise he maintains through tight situations. Winston proved he is a winner. He can have a horrid first half but his short memory allows him to come out firing in the fourth quarter and look unstoppable when the team needs him most. His off the field maturity issues are well documented, however. It may even cause some teams to cross him off their board entirely. When I see him play, I think a Big Ben type with less arm power. If his head is on straight, he can be a guy that teammates love, a guy that wins, and a guy that fans will cling to over time. The grade includes a few points off due to his character problems.

2 – Marcus Mariota – Oregon - 6’4/222 – 79

Upside Pro Comparison – Robert Griffin III/WAS

Last fall I viewed Mariota as an elite level (90+) QB prospect that I would want on the NYG roster as soon as round 1. I love his ability to move. He can change the game with his mobility. He is more than just an athlete too. He has some zip on his balls with a quick release and most importantly, his accuracy on the move is spot on. I’ve seen every 2014 game tape of Oregon and I have to admit I jumped the gun on him. He remains uncomfortable in the pocket and the simple throws were routinely missed. His mechanics as a pocket passer are flawed and his experience starting under center is as limited as it gets. There is something about QBs that rely on athletic ability that just screams “No” to me as well. Mariota doesn’t have the Cam Newton body type. I can’t see him taking an extra 10 hits per game and lasting, a la Robert Griffin. He’s a mature kid and he does make plays, but there is more development that needs to occur here thus a larger margin for eventual error. I would still take Mariota on this team but not before round 2, he’ll be long gone by then.

3 – Brett Hundley – UCLA – 6’3/226 – 74

Upside Pro Comparison – Cam Newton/CAR

Another spread formation, shotgun-only signal caller that has the athletic tools to be the guy in this class. Hundley has a thicker body type than Mariota and has just as much ability to make a difference running the ball. His inconsistency is maddening, however. He is a good thrower short and intermediate but his accuracy throwing the ball downfield is poor. He is another guy that needs to sit at least a year. Is there upside here? Sure. But I would put odds on him being the backup type that will bounce around the league but disappoints.

4 – Garrett Grayson – Colorado State – 6’2/213 - 73

Upside Pro Comparison – Matt Moore/MIA

Really good athlete, underrated speed and quickness. Some QBs have that sixth sense in the pocket and have the extra level of quickness within the tackle box. Grayson has that. He can throw deep with power and accuracy. There is a WR from Colorado State that will be draft eligible next year…some are labeling him a top tier prospect. He’s good, but Grayson made him look a lot better. He can throw guys open, throw to a spot…etc. If I have a void at QB when it comes to youth, I think Grayson is the mid-round value I am going after.

5 – Jerry Lovelocke – Prarie View A& M - 71

Loved what I saw out of him at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. He has a really smooth, quick, strong, powerful release and arm. A guy this big can be worked with when it comes to a dual threat player. Lovelocke is and always will be a passer first/runner second, but his size and presence makes him a dual threat. He is likely a practice squad guy because of how raw his footwork is and he didn’t play in a complicated system in college, but for where you can get him I like the value.

6 – Sean Mannion – Oregon State – 6’6/229 - 71

Upside Pro Comparison – Mike Glennon/TB

Illustrious career including 45 starts, leaves school as the Pac 12’s all time leading passer with over 13,000 yards and 11 OSU passing records. The 3 time team captain shows all the intangibles you want in a Quarterback. Loves the game and works hard on and off the field to make himself better. The fifth year senior received a 3rd round grade from the Advisory Board last year after his record setting Junior campaign. He took a step back in 2014, playing with less talent around him. This classic pocket passer has the tools and intangibles to be a starter or primary backup at the next level but he is a limited-ceiling type player. The lack of athletic ability is certainly troubling and you know it’s only going to get worse as he gets older. You don’t need to be a superb athlete, but Mannion looks stuck in mud sometimes. That’s tough to accept out of such a young player.

8 – Bryan Bennett – SE Louisiana State – 6’2/211 - 69

Upside Pro Comparison – Tyler Thigpen/CLE

Was at Oregon for awhile but once he figured out that Marcus Mariota was….well Marcus Mariota…he left for SE Louisiana to pursue the NFL dream. He played well there but didn’t dominate the way you want a small school QB to. With that said, Bennett is a very good athlete and has the strongest arm of any QB in this class. He can really spin it. Hits guys on the move. I like how Bennett looked for extra work at the Combine. He was always the guy getting extra throws in. His accuracy on the move and downfield is poor and some guys say that can’t be corrected. I’d take a chance on him in the later rounds.

9 – Bryce Petty – Baylor – 6’3/230 - 69

Upside Pro Comparison – Rex Grossman/RET

Petty comes from a spread-style offense, always in the shotgun, minimal reads…etc. Every year these guys are becoming more and more common. It’s not a huge deal. But I really didn’t like what I saw out of him at the Senior Bowl and it matched a lot of what I don’t like on tape. He misses a lot of easy throws. He gets overly-trigger happy under pressure. He loses sense of his throwing mechanics. What I do like here is the blend of toughness and leadership, however. Coaches/Players/Support Staff and the scouts I get the opportunity to speak with all rave about his daily approach to the game. I want that out of a young QB. He doesn’t lack talent at all. He can throw, he can move. I just hate that I see the same mistakes over and over again with him. Still worth a late round pick if NYG is looking for a QB and he falls.

10 – Anthony Boone – Duke – 6’0/231 – 67

Upside Pro Comparison – Tarvaris Jackson – SEA

I’ve been wanting to like Boone for over a year now because he shows glimpses. One of the strongest arms in the draft. Has easy arm power, can put that ball on a line for 20+ yards with little effort. Drives the ball downfield, generates a lot of zip from his lower body, fluid throwing motion. Can throw the ball well from unorthodox positions. Good runner, shows the ability to see the action around him and make proper cuts to pick up extra yards. Struggles to make multiple reads. Too quick to tuck the ball and scramble. Accuracy is woefully inconsistent, doesn’t hit his target often enough on the run. He is so inconsistent and its bothersome but man, he has talent that a lot of good QBs simply do not possess.

NYG APPROACH

This draft class has the weakest group of QBs I have seen since I’ve been doing this. There isn’t an elite prospect. There isn’t a lot of depth. And there aren’t any guys in the later rounds that I can say with confidence will far-exceed their draft slot. Drafting QBs in the middle to late rounds is more of a crapshoot than anything, however.

I don’t think NYG is going after a QB with one of their 8 picks. Could they go after an UDFA to have in training camp? Sure. But when it comes to where this team is and where they are heading, unless a great value falls to them they should opt towards using their selections on other positions. Put me in the camp of people that thinks this team should NOT give Manning a blank check. Yes it exposes long-term risk at a position that makes or breaks success in this league, but it is going to happen soon anyway. Ideally Manning signs a 3-4 year deal at the same level he is being paid now, and the replacement project gets put in motion in another year or two.

And if Mariota falls to #9 overall….final answer is no. I’ve been back and forth a few times, but it’s just not worth the risk of passing on guys that are graded higher.




im surprised that this was a question  
Rocky369 : 3/25/2015 12:51 pm : link
and you had to go back and forth. I actually thought this was yearly your easiest preview. But you're right in starting to think for the future. Question is, when do you do it and how much time do you give that guy to learn, without hearing about it from all the fans.
Thanks Sy. Just what the doctor ordered for a quiet day at work.  
Victor in CT : 3/25/2015 12:52 pm : link
I agree, taking Mariota with a high pick is fraught with danger. I'd sell that pick to Kelly and the Iggles in a heartbeat.

Re Eli, I don't want to live through the '70s or post Simms '90s QB situation again. Twice in one life is enough. But I think the dilemma for the Giants (and other teams) is this: if your team is not a real contender can you justify soaking up 15-20% of you cap on a QB? This year is so pivotal for the organization. If they don't show that they are clearly on the upswing by season's end, then maybe they need to start over? Meaning new GM, Coach, staff, QB?
RE: im surprised that this was a question  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12202663 Rocky369 said:
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and you had to go back and forth. I actually thought this was yearly your easiest preview. But you're right in starting to think for the future. Question is, when do you do it and how much time do you give that guy to learn, without hearing about it from all the fans.


I don't think there is a right answer to that. There are countless examples of guys that can start in year 1 at a high level...then you have your guys that need a year or two of development. There are so many moving parts to getting the right QB.

Now the Eli contract situation makes it even more complicated.
I hate to be that guy...  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 12:59 pm : link
But there are already 3 QBs I am really intrigued by in next year's class....
Sy I think Winston is a bit better  
section125 : 3/25/2015 1:00 pm : link
than an 80. One of his problems, like Eli, as throwing off that back foot and making throws into tight spots that just aren't there. In the NFL that spells INT. (maybe that is two problems)

Without the off field problems, were do you place him? 85?

Agree with you on Mariota.
Brandon Bridge would be in my top 10 QB in this draft  
Mike in NY : 3/25/2015 1:01 pm : link
Wondered what you thought of him. Otherwise can't say there is much for me to complain about. Had Bryce Petty been effective in a Pro Style O I thought he could have been the #3 QB in this draft and a first round pick. When he has everything going right he has the best release of anyone in this draft
Great  
AcidTest : 3/25/2015 1:06 pm : link
write up. I'm higher on Mariota than you, but he needs to be in the right offense to succeed. His accuracy on the move as you note is excellent. But he doesn't have a lot of experience under center, and many similar QBs haven't done well in the NFL. He won't be available at #9 anyway.

I wouldn't touch Winston. He'd be off my board for character reasons.

I haven't seen the rest, but it's been universally panned as a bad year for QBs. I see no reason to draft one this year. This team also has a lot of holes.

I think Eli will resign after this year, and we waive goodbye to JPP.
Its interesting  
Pep22 : 3/25/2015 1:08 pm : link
Guys get knocked for being great athletes (personally I think MM is not like RG3 because he sees/feels the rush whereas RG3 has one of the worst levels of awareness I've ever seen) and given your Mannion write-up (which I agree with) one has to wonder where Eli Manning would go in a draft in this era. When is the last time a bad athlete went high as a QB?
All of those knocks on Petty  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 1:11 pm : link
can be applied to your #2 QB.

The difference is one of them has a big time NFL arm. And that's Petty. I think you're really missing it on him. I think he's the #1 QB in this class and will be a draft steal.

He makes throws the others can't. Without his feet under him he can hit throws with power the entire width of the field. It's a special skill and it will serve him well in the NFL.

My fear is he goes to PHI. That would be awful for Giant fans.

One last thing, I just don't know how you look at Marriota and see a better NFL QB prospect. The smart team in need of a QB will make a move to get Petty.
I may not consider Winston's off field problems  
Pep22 : 3/25/2015 1:15 pm : link
to be his worst concern. His on field demeanor at times is so immature, so lacking in leadership. He was fortunate to be part (a big part) of a team that generally outclassed its opponents. But his true colors came out versus Oregon. I wouldn't touch this guy, he's Ryan Leaf 2.0
RE: Sy I think Winston is a bit better  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12202703 section125 said:
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than an 80. One of his problems, like Eli, as throwing off that back foot and making throws into tight spots that just aren't there. In the NFL that spells INT. (maybe that is two problems)

Without the off field problems, were do you place him? 85?

Agree with you on Mariota.


Without off the field issues, Winston was an 84. Top 10 player in the class.

RE: All of those knocks on Petty  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12202754 KWALL2 said:
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can be applied to your #2 QB.

The difference is one of them has a big time NFL arm. And that's Petty. I think you're really missing it on him. I think he's the #1 QB in this class and will be a draft steal.

He makes throws the others can't. Without his feet under him he can hit throws with power the entire width of the field. It's a special skill and it will serve him well in the NFL.

My fear is he goes to PHI. That would be awful for Giant fans.

One last thing, I just don't know how you look at Marriota and see a better NFL QB prospect. The smart team in need of a QB will make a move to get Petty.


You aren't alone in liking Petty. A lot of people I respect think Petty is #2 in this QB class.

I just think Mariota has more poise and you can do more with him on the move. He has better footwork, more accuracy.
Wouldn't draft any of these guys unless they dropped way down  
Torrag : 3/25/2015 1:43 pm : link
No value to be had imo.
Thanks Sy  
sjnyfan : 3/25/2015 1:49 pm : link
This is such a tough QB class to evaluate this year.

Winston is the clear cut favorite but the rest of the bunch has so many glaring question marks. Mannion intrigues me for later rounds as does Brandon Bridge as a developmental type. But other than that I'd hate to be a team in need of a QB.
What a crappy QB draft this year  
ZogZerg : 3/25/2015 2:42 pm : link
I would doubt Giants waste a pick on any of these guys.
RE: What a crappy QB draft this year  
Victor in CT : 3/25/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12203062 ZogZerg said:
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I would doubt Giants waste a pick on any of these guys.


Why not? They spent 2 on Nassib! :-)
Thanks SY  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2015 2:47 pm : link
As much as I love Eli I kind of understand one reason to let him play out his contract. If Eli has a monster year they can always come to an agreement during the season or slap the franchise tag on him. Now let's say the unlikely happens and Eli has a year similar to the 2013 season and the Giants finish 4-12 or 5-11. Coughlin would likely be let go say Eli elects to walk in free agency. The Giants would have a top 5 pick in a draft with a much better QB class than this year and over 80 million in cap room. Even without all that they would already be the top choice among HC candidates due their strong organization.
Since you brought it up,  
barens : 3/25/2015 3:00 pm : link
Who are your 3 qb's for next?
RE: Since you brought it up,  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12203109 barens said:
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Who are your 3 qb's for next?


Cody Kessler - USC
Christian Hackenburg - Penn State
Kevin Hogan - Stanford

Connor Cook (MSU), Cardale Jones (OSU) are right behind as of right now. And there are 3-4 other names I have a * next to...meaning I liked them in multiple games from a non-scouting perspective.
Nothing on the East Carolina QB Sy?  
BigBlueCane : 3/25/2015 3:52 pm : link
As for these guys....

MM is coachable. Griffin was not.

I don't think Winston is either based on what I know of him and how Jimbo had to handle him.
RE: Nothing on the East Carolina QB Sy?  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2015 4:13 pm : link
In comment 12203245 BigBlueCane said:
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As for these guys....

MM is coachable. Griffin was not.

I don't think Winston is either based on what I know of him and how Jimbo had to handle him.


Not that high on Carden but in all honesty...all these guys from 5 on down are the same to me. Take a shot in the dark on one of them and hope.
Nassib looked  
area junc : 3/25/2015 5:22 pm : link
very good in preseason. Even if we were thinking of future our developing of nassib looks 2 b going well.
If Petty is going to fall like you think  
PatersonPlank : 3/25/2015 6:02 pm : link
I would love to grab him in the 5-7 round range.
skipping this thread  
spike : 3/25/2015 6:33 pm : link
because the Giants ain't drafting a QB to replace either one.
Petty is going high in this draft.  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 10:30 pm : link
Round 5-7? No chance. He's going top 50 and should go higher. I can see him going top 20 to CLE or HOU. I can even see him going before Marriota(and he should).

He has the best physical tools of any QB in this draft. Best arm and a quick release. As a thrower, he's much more talented than Marriota.

Sy, You really think Marriota is more accurate than Petty? If were talking about NFL throws, I don't think it's close. Throwing the ball down the field, to the sideline, & on the move, Petty is on another level.

My NFL Comp is: Aaron Rodgers - He's an underrated athlete like Rodgers was. He's got an outstanding release like Rodgers and can throw it on the run or without his feet under him like Rodgers too. And I think he will be drafted in the same range as Rodgers. BTW, I loved Rodgers going into the NFL too.



If he was there in round 2  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 10:33 pm : link
I'd be happy the Giants picked him.

Eli is going to cost $20+ million for several years. Getting Petty, who I see as an elite QB prospect, would make it possible to move on at a much lower cost for several years.
Eli at $20M/year will be the best money...  
Milton : 3/25/2015 10:41 pm : link
...the Giants spend. You win Super Bowls with guys like Eli Manning.

Don't it always seem to go....
You don't know what you got 'til it's gone - ( New Window )
You win SB with guys like Eli  
KWALL2 : 3/25/2015 10:43 pm : link
when you have a talented team around him.

Both SB's were excellent examples of team wins and not a QB carrying the load.
RE: Petty is going high in this draft.  
Sy'56 : 3/26/2015 7:24 am : link
In comment 12203731 KWALL2 said:
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Round 5-7? No chance. He's going top 50 and should go higher. I can see him going top 20 to CLE or HOU. I can even see him going before Marriota(and he should).

He has the best physical tools of any QB in this draft. Best arm and a quick release. As a thrower, he's much more talented than Marriota.

Sy, You really think Marriota is more accurate than Petty? If were talking about NFL throws, I don't think it's close. Throwing the ball down the field, to the sideline, & on the move, Petty is on another level.

My NFL Comp is: Aaron Rodgers - He's an underrated athlete like Rodgers was. He's got an outstanding release like Rodgers and can throw it on the run or without his feet under him like Rodgers too. And I think he will be drafted in the same range as Rodgers. BTW, I loved Rodgers going into the NFL too.




I don't see Rodgers in Petty at all.

And I'm not in to projecting where guys get drafted as much as I am in to projecting how they perform. Petty will be taken in the first 3 rounds, maybe even in the 1st round. That won't change a thing about what I think of him.
Nassib  
Micko : 3/26/2015 11:02 am : link
I'll take what I saw from Nassib last year over any of the late round QBs on that list.
KWALL2  
chillinman1183 : 3/26/2015 12:33 pm : link
actually in 2011 Eli carried the team in the regular season right through the playoffs and the superbowl with a poor running game. Bradshaw averaged 3.9 for the season for less then 700 yards and Jacobs averaged 3.8 for less than 600 yards on the year. Manning himself had his best season as a pro,throwing for just shy of 5,000 yards,29 td's and 16 int's,with a QB rating of almost 93. He had 2 recievers over a thousand yards. Victor cruz 1,536,and Nicks 1,192. He even made jake Ballard look good with over 600 yards at over 15 yards a clip.
During there postseason run Eli added another 1,200 yards and 9 TD's,with a rating of over 103.
The Giants had the 27th ranked defense in 2011 as well,so you can't say they carried the team into the postseason.
If Eli doesn't make that throw to Manningham down the sideline in the 4th quarter on a game winning drive,then the Giants aren't champions for the 2nd time in 4 years. Wich maybe the greatest throw and catch I've ever seen in my life. To do that in a superbowl when it matters most is incredible.
So I dare say that Eli did carry the team and 2011 wasn't a good example of the (team) wins. Eli carried the load for the whole season,right to the end of the superbowl in the 4th quarter. If the Giants don't have Eli,they don't win the superbowl in 2011.
Hundley is a mess  
KWALL2 : 3/26/2015 1:44 pm : link
This is a guy who lacks the throwing skills to play in the NFL. He's awful throwing the ball down the field. YOu have to be able to stick it in tight spots 15-25 yards down the field and he can't do it. And he seems to look confused and holds the ball too long. He's a guy I've seen a lot and don't think he has what it takes.

I see him dropping much lower in this draft. Round 5+.

Sy, After reading your comments, I'm surprised you have him at #3. It says a lot about your expectations of the players below him.
RE: Nassib  
OC2.0 : 3/26/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12204288 Micko said:
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I'll take what I saw from Nassib last year over any of the late round QBs on that list.


Ditto
RE: Hundley is a mess  
Sy'56 : 3/26/2015 9:57 pm : link
In comment 12204659 KWALL2 said:
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This is a guy who lacks the throwing skills to play in the NFL. He's awful throwing the ball down the field. YOu have to be able to stick it in tight spots 15-25 yards down the field and he can't do it. And he seems to look confused and holds the ball too long. He's a guy I've seen a lot and don't think he has what it takes.

I see him dropping much lower in this draft. Round 5+.

Sy, After reading your comments, I'm surprised you have him at #3. It says a lot about your expectations of the players below him.


I think there are 2 starting caliber QBs in this draft. The rest are backups at best.
If your  
RinR : 3/27/2015 7:51 am : link
upside pro comparisons turn out to be close or spot on then yes, this is one of the worst QB classes in a long time.
RE: If your  
Sy'56 : 3/27/2015 8:47 am : link
In comment 12205787 RinR said:
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upside pro comparisons turn out to be close or spot on then yes, this is one of the worst QB classes in a long time.


This is one of, if not the worst.
RE: RE: If your  
giants#1 : 3/27/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12205873 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 12205787 RinR said:


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upside pro comparisons turn out to be close or spot on then yes, this is one of the worst QB classes in a long time.



This is one of, if not the worst.


Even getting 1 starter, especially if Winston is close to Big Ben, is better than the Manuel/Geno/Nassib draft a few years ago. Granted we haven't seen Nassib play, but the rest of the class looks like trash.
Sy  
BIG FRED 1973 : 3/27/2015 9:40 am : link
Good to see you are high on Kevin Hogan for next year also .I did a write up on him for Greg Gabriel’s introduction to scouting class and Greg was not high on him at all which I was a little surprised
Sy,  
CT Charlie : 3/27/2015 12:43 pm : link
what are Lovelock's measurables? Height, weight.
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