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'concussions have become the new global warming'

sphinx : 3/25/2015 2:56 pm
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Don’t look now, but concussions have become the new global warming: a debate where “consensus” trumps evidence, and heroes and villains are determined by their stances on an issue where the science is bogus at worst and murky at best.

Enter NFL linebacker Chris Borland, who announced his retirement from the game after only one year, citing concerns about his health. Borland decided playing the game was no longer “worth the risk.”

He said he didn’t want to end up like former NFL players Dave Duerson, Ray Easterling, and Mike Webster, all of whom were diagnosed with CTE and had either committed suicide or suffered otherwise early deaths.

Borland’s announcement was greeted by the anti-football sports media with the kind of frantic clapping one only hears in the seal enclosure at the aquarium during feeding time—a cacophony of crazy that borders on hero/idol worship.

Don’t get me wrong: the NFL is a revolving door, and Borland has the right to let that door take him in or out. I also give him credit for being one of the relatively few twenty-four-year-olds capable of comprehending issues more complex than whether their T-shirt is ironic enough.

But Chris Borland shouldn’t be a hero. He made a career choice. Millions do it every day, and none gets a parade.

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Not sure about the entire thesis  
Moondawg : 3/25/2015 2:58 pm : link
but they are similar in that non-experts will attribute things to it (like Junior Seau's death) without knowing anything of the science behind it.
If you saw Borland on Face The Nation....  
njm : 3/25/2015 3:10 pm : link
you'd know that he doesn't consider himself a hero.

Lot of hyperbole in the quoted article, but there is a lot of hyperbole in the Michael Rosenberg article in SI that implies that Aaron Hernandez in jail at 50 might is in a better place than if he played NFL football.
I would not consider Borland a "hero" per se  
montanagiant : 3/25/2015 3:13 pm : link
But I do consider him someone that made a choice for himself that he felt was more important then money and fame. that in itself is a rare breed, especially at this age
RE: I would not consider Borland a  
njm : 3/25/2015 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12203151 montanagiant said:
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But I do consider him someone that made a choice for himself that he felt was more important then money and fame. that in itself is a rare breed, especially at this age


If you can see the interview you'll see an intelligent, mature, grounded "kid".
RE: I would not consider Borland a  
Moondawg : 3/25/2015 3:25 pm : link
In comment 12203151 montanagiant said:
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But I do consider him someone that made a choice for himself that he felt was more important then money and fame. that in itself is a rare breed, especially at this age


Well put.
Ludicrous...  
Chris in Philly : 3/25/2015 3:28 pm : link
opinion piece. Ill-informed and moronic. And anyone in the media that calls himself a patriot is a fucking loser...
I saw the headline and thought what kind of nonsense is this  
moespree : 3/25/2015 3:28 pm : link
Then saw where it was written. And thought, oh.
The reference to global warming is unintentionally funny.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/25/2015 3:29 pm : link
On most serious news outlets, climate change isn't seriously disputed. And then there's Fox...
Bif Blue Blogger  
Blackbeard : 3/25/2015 3:51 pm : link
Serious media? MSNBC? CNN? ABC? CBS? NBC? Hah!
hmmm, what are Blackbeard's thoughts on the matter....  
Greg from LI : 3/25/2015 3:53 pm : link
...said no one, ever.
Blackbeard: since you asked...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/25/2015 4:18 pm : link
My preferred news sources, in order of seriousness:
NPR
BBC
PBS
The New York Times
All the outlets you listed, and most other "mainstream" media
Al Jazeera
The Onion
That paper the Moonies used to hand out at subway stations
The guy who sleeps in the Broadway median at 82nd Street
Fox
A Pittsburg doctor said  
Montreal Man : 3/25/2015 4:20 pm : link
in an interview that there is no solid scientific evidence that concussions cause CTE. There definitely is strong coincidental observations, but no causation.

A problem is that you can't detect CTE when you're alive and if you could you might see that even non-athletes might somehow be developing it.

FWIW
BBB  
BobOnLI : 3/25/2015 4:34 pm : link
Not Jon Stewart?
What a strange dude this writer is.  
Mr. Bungle : 3/25/2015 4:36 pm : link
What an odd thing with which to take issue.
MM  
BobOnLI : 3/25/2015 4:36 pm : link
I thought the current thinking is that it may be many blows to the head as opposed to a few concussions most associated with CTE.
BobOnLI: Yeah, Stewart is the real #1.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/25/2015 4:57 pm : link
I didn't want to piss off Blackbeard THAT much.
of course its fox comparing concussions  
chris r : 3/25/2015 4:58 pm : link
and global warming. What an absurdly low IQ news outlet that is.
Do 97% of Brain Injury experts agree...  
x meadowlander : 3/25/2015 5:01 pm : link
...that noone should play football?

I doubt it.

Terrible analogy.
yea NASA  
Glover : 3/25/2015 5:17 pm : link
and all their murky scientific data.
RE: yea NASA  
sphinx : 3/25/2015 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12203420 Glover said:
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and all their murky scientific data.

Interesting that given the choice between 'murky' and 'bogus' you chose 'murky'. :-)


Greg from LI  
Blackbeard : 3/25/2015 6:10 pm : link
What do you hear from your old hometown, Massapequa Park, the armpit of NY.
Add  
Blackbeard : 3/25/2015 6:11 pm : link
?
RE: Blackbeard: since you asked...  
River Mike : 3/25/2015 6:25 pm : link
In comment 12203285 Big Blue Blogger said:
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My preferred news sources, in order of seriousness:
NPR
BBC
PBS
The New York Times
All the outlets you listed, and most other "mainstream" media
Al Jazeera
The Onion
That paper the Moonies used to hand out at subway stations
The guy who sleeps in the Broadway median at 82nd Street
Fox



BBB ... THIS ^^^^ Truer words were never spoken.
Science isn't needed - just common sense.  
Ira : 3/25/2015 6:59 pm : link
When you get hit often by great athletes weigh up to 350 lbs, it's going to have a detrimental effect on your health and life.
Fox News  
Geomon : 3/25/2015 7:07 pm : link
What a fucking shock.
Fox is most trusted news source  
giant24 : 3/25/2015 7:48 pm : link
In comparison rankings, 29 percent responded that they trust Fox News the most. CNN follows with 22 percent, CBS News and NBC News are at 10 percent, ABC News at 8 percent and MSNBC at 7 percent.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/fox-news-trusted-network-poll-115887.html#ixzz3VRcHeh7Q
Quinnipiac University poll - ( New Window )
RE: Fox is most trusted news source  
River Mike : 3/25/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12203542 giant24 said:
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In comparison rankings, 29 percent responded that they trust Fox News the most. CNN follows with 22 percent, CBS News and NBC News are at 10 percent, ABC News at 8 percent and MSNBC at 7 percent.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/fox-news-trusted-network-poll-115887.html#ixzz3VRcHeh7Q Quinnipiac University poll - ( New Window )


That's the scary part, that there are so many people that trust and believe the stuff they sell. It is really, really sad.
trust? That is rich  
SomeFan : 3/25/2015 8:03 pm : link
They are all in the entertainment business not the new business. Ergo, watching NBC News is akin to watching Sex And the City for news.
Deep analysis here  
CT Charlie : 3/25/2015 10:20 pm : link
If 29% of the population say their favorite dessert is chocolate cake, but 22% prefer apple pie, 10% prefer cherry pie, 10% prefer blueberry pie, 8% prefer rhubarb pie, and 7% prefer lemon meringue pie -- for a total of 57% -- only Fox would conclude that "people like cake better than pie."

I think Fox has played too long without a helmet.
The scariest part of this, is that science knows  
Knineteen : 3/25/2015 10:53 pm : link
precisely dick about concussions and how to treat them.
Getting medical treatment is pretty much useless. Unless you have bleeding on the brain, a doctor isn't going to do anything for you.
How did global warming become a political thing  
bhill410 : 3/26/2015 12:11 am : link
It's just insane to me that it somehow rests there. I challenge anyone to watch the vice episode on the South Pole and not think something drastic isn't occurring.
RE: Blackbeard: since you asked...  
x meadowlander : 3/26/2015 7:42 am : link
In comment 12203285 Big Blue Blogger said:
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My preferred news sources, in order of seriousness:
NPR
BBC
PBS
The New York Times
All the outlets you listed, and most other "mainstream" media
Al Jazeera
The Onion
That paper the Moonies used to hand out at subway stations
The guy who sleeps in the Broadway median at 82nd Street
Fox


Nearly every one of those sources (excepting the Onion) shit the bed at least once over the last 15 years. Fuck that.

IMO, still the only trustworthy outlet available, no major scandals, incidents, lies, inaccuracies or incidents of literal govt propoganda tied to The Guardian.


The Guardian US - ( New Window )
RE: Fox is most trusted news source  
x meadowlander : 3/26/2015 7:45 am : link
In comment 12203542 giant24 said:
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In comparison rankings, 29 percent responded that they trust Fox News the most. CNN follows with 22 percent, CBS News and NBC News are at 10 percent, ABC News at 8 percent and MSNBC at 7 percent.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/fox-news-trusted-network-poll-115887.html#ixzz3VRcHeh7Q Quinnipiac University poll - ( New Window )


Yeah, most trusted, but CONSISTENTLY the LEAST ACCURATE in the majority of studies done on media accuracy.

"NPR and Sunday morning political talk shows are the most informative news outlets, while exposure to partisan sources, such as Fox News and MSNBC, has a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge."
NPR’s listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed - ( New Window )
They all suck, period.  
section125 : 3/26/2015 8:53 am : link
I like Bret Baier at 6PM, but the rest is just hype. I like Brian Williams, too. But even he shot himself in the foot.

You don't get straight news anymore. I'll flip on CNN to see the headlines, but it is all pretty poor.

Opinion shows are all that is left.

I knew this was going to turn out to be a  
nicky43 : 3/26/2015 8:59 am : link
Political comedy thread. I read recently that some entity is trying to make it illegal to deny global warming. Now I don't care what side of this fence you are on but seriously?

I grew up thinking that America was all about freedom! What a joke!
RE: MM  
Montreal Man : 3/26/2015 9:00 am : link
In comment 12203322 BobOnLI said:
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I thought the current thinking is that it may be many blows to the head as opposed to a few concussions most associated with CTE.


That's probably true. I don't remember the guy making that distinction. But the point he was making is that we have no scientific evidence that CTE is caused by concussions or blows to the head of any kind.

My common-sense, layman's guess is that getting hit on the head in any manner has to do something to the brain, and I'm sure he feels that as well. It's just that scientifically, we have no way of proving it or establishing causation of any kind.

It's a tough one.
To all those who bash FNC  
NewBlue : 3/26/2015 9:46 am : link
They present a substantial amount of liberal POV on all their opinion shows, as most of their hosts have a conservative bent, these liberals are taken to task, but their opinions are expressed.

Every other media outlet puts forth the liberal spin, I find the network refreshing...yes I am a conservative....jeesh what is that like a jETS fan around here?
RE: To all those who bash FNC  
nicky43 : 3/26/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12204069 NewBlue said:
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They present a substantial amount of liberal POV on all their opinion shows, as most of their hosts have a conservative bent, these liberals are taken to task, but their opinions are expressed.

Every other media outlet puts forth the liberal spin, I find the network refreshing...yes I am a conservative....jeesh what is that like a jETS fan around here?


As a long time reader here, I can assure you that there are both Libs and Conservs on this board, however, I have found it best in my age of wisdom not to discuss politics in public. It usually only results in pissing someone off.

That said, I agree with your comments about the media outlets. They are 100% spot on accurate.
RE: To all those who bash FNC  
Montreal Man : 3/26/2015 10:15 am : link
In comment 12204069 NewBlue said:
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They present a substantial amount of liberal POV on all their opinion shows, as most of their hosts have a conservative bent, these liberals are taken to task, but their opinions are expressed.

Every other media outlet puts forth the liberal spin, I find the network refreshing...yes I am a conservative....jeesh what is that like a jETS fan around here?


Don't know how this thread got milered, but as a retired guy (and a conservative leaning one) I get to watch a lot of tv daily and find that almost all news stations tilt decisively and strongly to the left -- most certainly NPR, Diane Reems (sp?) and that ilk, so much so that their news information is worthless. FOX DOES present opposing points of view on almost every issue they discuss. Always. Both sides are given the opportunity to make their case. Yes, they tilt conservatively in their news portions, but all sides are brought in to talk. Now the opinion shows at night are definitely conservative, but they're opinion shows and are clearly within the purview of advocacy. But even then, other sides are presented.
I really believe that the majority of FNC Critics...  
BamaBlue : 3/26/2015 10:23 am : link
have never spent any time watching their news programs. Maybe they caught a few minutes of O'Reilly or Hannity and used that to validate their opinion. The news programming on Fox is excellent... the opinion journalism is boob bait. At least Fox draws a line between the two. Some people have their mind made up and repeat their mantra.

I'm not a big fan of opinion journalism, but we have it all over the political spectrum. It's a sad consequence of the Vietnam War... journalism has been in a slow death spiral since the 1960's.
RE: I really believe that the majority of FNC Critics...  
x meadowlander : 3/26/2015 10:53 am : link
In comment 12204170 BamaBlue said:
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have never spent any time watching their news programs. Maybe they caught a few minutes of O'Reilly or Hannity and used that to validate their opinion. The news programming on Fox is excellent... the opinion journalism is boob bait. At least Fox draws a line between the two. Some people have their mind made up and repeat their mantra.

I'm not a big fan of opinion journalism, but we have it all over the political spectrum. It's a sad consequence of the Vietnam War... journalism has been in a slow death spiral since the 1960's.


For the better part of the Bush years, the only Cable News Channel I got was FOX. I had a BALL on election night 2012 watching Karl Rove refusing to accept the truth. I also used to go back and forth between Air America and Limbaugh/Hannity while driving. I've heard plenty from both sides, but FOX is the most obvious in their bias, the most misleading, trash news imaginable. Laughable, to the degree where Daily Show and Colbert made a killing mocking them.

The studies speak for themselves. ALL of the Cable News Channels LITERALLY dumb down their audiences MsNBC, CNN, but - NONE worse than FOX.
People who defend the credibility of FNC  
eclipz928 : 3/26/2015 11:01 am : link
don't seem to understand that it's not the fact that the channel has a conservative bias that bothers people, but that the network routinely presents things that are demonstrably untrue as fact.

There's nothing wrong with having a bias as long as the information presented is factual. There's also nothing wrong with providing counter-factual information as long as it's not presented as "news". FNC seems to split the baby on both counts.
Dr. Amen Clnic  
SGMen : 3/26/2015 11:08 am : link
I saw Dr. Amen speak in CA this past weekend and he mentioned how Chris Borland came to his clinic and made the medical decision to retire.

Dr. Amen cited injury and the need to protect your brain. We were not designed to play football. Borland is constantly knocking heads and decided it wasn't worth ruining his whole life over.

Kudos to being smart.
RE: RE: I really believe that the majority of FNC Critics...  
section125 : 3/26/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12204260 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 12204170 BamaBlue said:


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have never spent any time watching their news programs. Maybe they caught a few minutes of O'Reilly or Hannity and used that to validate their opinion. The news programming on Fox is excellent... the opinion journalism is boob bait. At least Fox draws a line between the two. Some people have their mind made up and repeat their mantra.

I'm not a big fan of opinion journalism, but we have it all over the political spectrum. It's a sad consequence of the Vietnam War... journalism has been in a slow death spiral since the 1960's.



For the better part of the Bush years, the only Cable News Channel I got was FOX. I had a BALL on election night 2012 watching Karl Rove refusing to accept the truth. I also used to go back and forth between Air America and Limbaugh/Hannity while driving. I've heard plenty from both sides, but FOX is the most obvious in their bias, the most misleading, trash news imaginable. Laughable, to the degree where Daily Show and Colbert made a killing mocking them.

The studies speak for themselves. ALL of the Cable News Channels LITERALLY dumb down their audiences MsNBC, CNN, but - NONE worse than FOX.


Since the most of the "news" is grossly left leaning, you would of course say that Fox "News" is the worst, as does the rest of the media. So as to Daily Show and Colbert, they play to their audience, which not surprisingly, is young and left leaning. They certainly aren't expecting the evangelicals to be watching.

That said, I long ago shut off Hannity and his ilk and I can agree that much of the programing on Fox is ridiculous to the point that I won't watch it, either. Just as bad right, as MSNBC is left. Unfortunately, it is the only network that doesn't kiss this President's ass. (yeah they did with "W", but nearly to the point that President Obama gets away with elsewhere)

I do like Bret Baier and the 6 PM news - which is probably the only real "news" on Fox.

Oh, and it was funny watching Rove meltdown on election night.
RE: RE: RE: I really believe that the majority of FNC Critics...  
x meadowlander : 3/26/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12204309 section125 said:
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In comment 12204260 x meadowlander said:


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In comment 12204170 BamaBlue said:


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Since the most of the "news" is grossly left leaning, you would of course say that Fox "News" is the worst, as does the rest of the media. So as to Daily Show and Colbert, they play to their audience, which not surprisingly, is young and left leaning. They certainly aren't expecting the evangelicals to be watching.

That said, I long ago shut off Hannity and his ilk and I can agree that much of the programing on Fox is ridiculous to the point that I won't watch it, either. Just as bad right, as MSNBC is left. Unfortunately, it is the only network that doesn't kiss this President's ass. (yeah they did with "W", but nearly to the point that President Obama gets away with elsewhere)

I do like Bret Baier and the 6 PM news - which is probably the only real "news" on Fox.

Oh, and it was funny watching Rove meltdown on election night.


I'm simply talking about ACCURACY, not BIAS.

People who rely on FOX, MsNBC and CNN for their news consistently have WORSE knowledge about current events THAN PEOPLE WHO WATCH NO NEWS AT ALL.

Daily Show, Colbert, NPR, Bill O'Reilly's show consistently have the viewers with the highest current event knowledge.

US Cable News outlets have a SENSATIONALIST bias. Not a Liberal one. Don't forget, they ALL fed on Clinton's infidelity, they ALL buried Gore, they ALL supported the Iraq War, and all but MsNBC have the public completely deceived on the ACA. Yeah, they love Obama. They are BORED with policy, IGNORE the financial crisis, they have they shift their focus on a dime.

Guardian, U.S. Learn it, live it, love it.
Obamacare is 5 years old, and Americans are still worried about death  
x meadowlander : 3/26/2015 11:36 am : link
"As that bill is enacted, it’s going to become more and more popular," Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) predicted on Meet the Press in March 2010.

"I think that [the law] over time is going to become more popular," David Axelrod, then a senior adviser to President Obama, declared in September.

Five years later, it's fair to declare that prediction dead wrong: 83 percent of Americans still hold the same opinions they did in 2010. And of those who have changed their minds, 58 percent of them have become more negative toward the law, a new Vox poll conducted by PerryUndem shows.
Obamacare is 5 years old, and Americans are still worried about death panels - ( New Window )
Sensationalist bias??  
eclipz928 : 3/26/2015 11:43 am : link
Nonsense. If anything there should be MORE coverage on foreign commercial airplanes crashing in the alps. I still don't know enough about how a door lock works.
I had never seen a study of accuracy...  
BamaBlue : 3/26/2015 12:23 pm : link
for any media outlet. Is this another blurry line between opinion journalism and reporting (real journalism)? From my own experience, I could not stand the reporting during the Clinton Administration. Every news story was about the denial and lack of credibility of the accuser. That was intellectually dishonest reporting and was the reason why the Fox Network made such an immediate impact (IMHO).

I think it is very safe to say that the media is no longer a watchdog on power. Journalists have become cheerleaders for their favorite power base. We fight the (relatively) silly ideological battles to prove who's more bias (or accurate), while the Country goes to hell in a hand-basket... 'Merica.
RE: People who defend the credibility of FNC  
River Mike : 3/26/2015 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12204284 eclipz928 said:
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don't seem to understand that it's not the fact that the channel has a conservative bias that bothers people, but that the network routinely presents things that are demonstrably untrue as fact.

There's nothing wrong with having a bias as long as the information presented is factual. There's also nothing wrong with providing counter-factual information as long as it's not presented as "news". FNC seems to split the baby on both counts.


EXACTLY!!! I have always considered myself conservative and I am still a registered Republican. I was happy that a conservative major news program was airing. But c'mon, its not the bias that's disturbing its the total lack of credibility that makes them a joke. Its hard for me to believe that intelligent people don't take their "news" with a grain of salt and check out the veracity themselves. Now I will bow out 'cause I think I am on the verge of becoming too political.
RE: RE: People who defend the credibility of FNC  
section125 : 3/26/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12204527 River Mike said:
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In comment 12204284 eclipz928 said:


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don't seem to understand that it's not the fact that the channel has a conservative bias that bothers people, but that the network routinely presents things that are demonstrably untrue as fact.

There's nothing wrong with having a bias as long as the information presented is factual. There's also nothing wrong with providing counter-factual information as long as it's not presented as "news". FNC seems to split the baby on both counts.



EXACTLY!!! I have always considered myself conservative and I am still a registered Republican. I was happy that a conservative major news program was airing. But c'mon, its not the bias that's disturbing its the total lack of credibility that makes them a joke. Its hard for me to believe that intelligent people don't take their "news" with a grain of salt and check out the veracity themselves. Now I will bow out 'cause I think I am on the verge of becoming too political.


Who are we checking the veracity with/against? The other news outlets?
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