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| A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.” |
Don't the pilots carry a key to the door?
Do we have the names of the pilots yet? Time to investigate the pilots.
That's by design to prevent terrorists from breaking in,
On international carriers apparently that is not the mandated practice. That's fucking crazy.
This could have been completely avoided if in fact the pilot acted alone.
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has no provision for the pilot becoming incapacitated?
That's by design to prevent terrorists from breaking in,
which works perfectly unless one of the pilots is in fact a terrorist.
or has a heart attack.
I wonder if we'll ever find out what really happened.
I'm still a bit surprised there is no security measure in place to get back in the cockpit from the outside - especially since they don't replace the pilot with a FA.
I'm still a bit surprised there is no security measure in place to get back in the cockpit from the outside - especially since they don't replace the pilot with a FA.
If the co-pilot (or pilot) could get back in without the door being unlocked from the inside, then all terrorists would have to do is wait for one of them to come out to go to the bathroom to grab him and gain access to the cockpit
roughly 500 kts.
Then, it would finally make sense to call it the "cockpit".
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Also, I would have to imagine that the pilot in the lav would almost instantly recognized the plane on descent. Once the copilot turns the knob or pushes the side stick forward the pilot would recognize the descent.
I'm still a bit surprised there is no security measure in place to get back in the cockpit from the outside - especially since they don't replace the pilot with a FA.
If the co-pilot (or pilot) could get back in without the door being unlocked from the inside, then all terrorists would have to do is wait for one of them to come out to go to the bathroom to grab him and gain access to the cockpit
There are three settings in the cockpit to secure the door allowing the door to be completely accessible, accessible from the outside via code or completely inaccessible. I don't know what the SOP is in Europe but I believe it's supposed to be accessible from the outside in the US. Meaning that the pilot would need to intentionally set the door to closed.
In the US the pilot is replaced by the FA and I've seen them barricade the door with the cart and two more FAs until the pilot returns to the cockpit.
Umm, no, not if the pilot in the flight deck held a gun to or
otherwise took out the FA. The US FAA practice is somewhat
prophylactic, but hardly 100% secure.
Umm, no, not if the pilot in the flight deck held a gun to or
otherwise took out the FA. The US FAA practice is somewhat
prophylactic, but hardly 100% secure.
Come on. The sop is to set the door to accessible from the outside. So now we're worrying about pilots changing the door setting and pulling a gun on FA? Wow.
Oddly enough pilots go thru security too. Even though it irks me when they cut me off in line.
Unfortunately there is little security for either a medical catastrophe or suicidal madness.
Autopilot can, on many systems, be overridden with manual input.
If, for example, the pilot were slumped over with his weight leaning on the controls, it's possible that pressure overrode the autopilot and caused a gradual descent like what happened.
Not saying that's what happened, but it's plausible.
That sure as hell doesn't sound very convenient to me.
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to have a sudden heart attack, while the co pilot went to relieve himself or herself.
That sure as hell doesn't sound very convenient to me.
Thats what I meant
I think it points to a heart attack or something along those lines.
This sounds like more of a suicide.
I find it odd the names of the pilots have not been released?
anyone have them?
I find it odd the names of the pilots have not been released?
anyone have them?
Interesting football thread.
They said this on CNN last night
This was almost certainly intentional.
However, is it possible that under duress he would have mistakenly selected "locked" instead of "open" (in the hopes of getting help quicker)?
Again, not likely because the plane then entered into a controlled decsent that HAD to be activated by the copilot by turning the knob or pushing the side stick forward.
Overwhelming evidence - at this point - leads us to believe this was deliberate. Mass murder indeed.
'a rather quiet young man'....yikes - ( New Window )
The idea of videos in the cockpit has been floated for years, and frankly is a naive idea peddled by so-called experts. The vast majority of pilots are not in favor of this, as videos add little value, provide opportunities for misuse, and there is already massive amounts of data collected. US Aviation is very safe and very regulated already.
Everything we say and do at work is already recorded on the CVR. Everything we do in the airplane is recorded by the FDR. We're randomly tested for drugs and alcohol, often in front of passengers. We have to take our shoes off and get wanded at security. Every year and soon to be every 6 months we have to put our career on the line and go through an extensive medical check. Every year we put our job on the line with a proficiency check - written tests, orals, and a simulator checkride. We're randomly checked by company instructors and FAA inspectors in the jumpseat several times a year. If something even minor happens, our lives are on display for the public to see, and often smeared by the media. (Think MH370). If a company goes out of business, we start over again at another company. There's no credit for experience. It's all seniority.
There's a point where pilots will eventually say enough is enough and you'll see an even worse shortage of experienced aviators. That will force airlines to go into desperation mode and hire any warm bodies they can to fill flight decks. This is not good for safety.
I've also seen some flight crews "barricade" the cockpit door with the beverage/food cart when one of the pilots exits the cockpit. But I haven't seen that often.
What are the standard practices in those regards? And why don't international airlines follow what seem to be pretty basic deterrants? Tia.