For those who might question Brandon Scherff''s athleticism he ran a sick 7.07 three cone and 4.41 20 yard short shuttle. Scherff hurt his hamstring and was not able to perform these activities at the combine.
Combine these times with his 5.05 forty , the fact that he has cleaned 470 lbs 3 times,threw the discus 48.9 meters, and shot put 18.77 meters in High School. Scherrf is a freak athlete and productive player.
| Iowa OL Brandon Scherff recorded a 7.07 three-cone time at the school's pro day.Scherff also produced a 4.41 20 yard short shuttle. He ran neither at the Combine. The 7.07 would have been good for second best at the Combine since 2006. Just for fun, Scherff's 3-cone time was faster than WR Jamison Crowder, Dezmin Lewis and just .01 slower than Chris Conley's. |
In addition Scherff showed great movement skills and the scouts came away convinced that he could play tackle in the pros.
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(gee, maybe he does).
His skillset is that of a backup. He's okay at one thing and has glaring flaws at another.
Just as you can infer that they're concerned about Schwartz, they were also convinced enough last season that he represented a significant upgrade and deserved a pretty healthy contract.
I really wonder what NYG thinks of Peat and Scherff at #9 ... one of them at #9, DL at #40, WR at #74 works for me.
Giants were tied for 9th in number of passes attempted
Giants were 10th in both sacks (as in 10th fewest) and 10th in QB hits allowed (as in 10th fewest).
There seems to be little correlation between hits and sacks. Brady was hit 9 more times than Eli and yet was sacked 4 fewer times. Luck was hit over 100 times and yet sacked only 29 (Luck is a frigging moose). Romo was sacked over half the time he was hit. He was sacked 30 times despite throwing far fewer passes and having a beast running game.
One thing is for certain: the BBI meme about Eli being under constant seige is false.
Let's put another BBI meme to rest also. Our running problems were to the right side, not the left. We were middle of the pack getting first downs with 2 yards or less to go running left. We were near the bottom in the same stat running right. The Pugh-Jerry combination struggled. Make of that what you will.
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Stats are useful but nothing tells the story like your own two eyes. So much for debunking BBI memes.
Funny, don't know why but that rant by the coach, of Coastal Carolina I think, about having dogs not cats came to mind with your "more nasty" comment.
Fowler/Beasley
Scherff
With Leonard Williams, two QB's, Kevin White and Danny Shelton there is your Top 9. Gregory rounded out the Top 10 but the knucklehead will drop now.
Hard to disagree. Would replace Gregory with Dupree; I think someone will pick him before 9.
So imo if you look at the next group, Scherff could very well end up being the player left with the highest grade.
Other than OL next group - Gregory(weight & dope), Parker(has a foot), Collins(coverage ability?), Ray?, or Goldman / Brown?
We need to upgrade the line, its not just about sacks its about the functioning of the offense. If the defense knows we can't run or throw deep because their front 4 is dominating, it makes it very easy on the defense to just cover the short slants and outs.
6-10 and the Coach has been wanting the organization to address the OL for years. Why? B/c it's not the issue? My gosh people lol
A position in which players are found all throughout the draft.
This For a player who is not as good a prospect as last years top G picked later and a guy compared to R. Reiff or Bulaga. I can find that plenty of places other than 9
Botonio last year played every bit as well as Martin and was drafted 19 picks later
There is nothing wrong if they got an OG in the 2nd rd
6-10 and the Coach has been wanting the organization to address the OL for years. Why? B/c it's not the issue? My gosh people lol
Stats are useful but nothing tells the story like your own two eyes. So much for debunking BBI memes.
To your substantive points, such as they are, one would expect that teams that get the ball out quickly would be hit and sacked less and the same for teams with manuevering qb's. Such is not the case. Wilson and Kaepernik were both sacked and hit more than Manning. Brady, the king of the quick pass, was hit more albeit sacked 4 less times, and Rodgers, from the mother of this offense, was hit 9 less times but sacked more.
Assumptions and confirmation bias only support a meme, not fact. Headhunter is correct.
A position in which players are found all throughout the draft.
This For a player who is not as good a prospect as last years top G picked later and a guy compared to R. Reiff or Bulaga. I can find that plenty of places other than 9
Botonio last year played every bit as well as Martin and was drafted 19 picks later
There is nothing wrong if they got an OG in the 2nd rd
I agree with everything you've said here re: OGs in the draft. When Cooper was taken that high, I was quite frankly shocked because for me, the gold standard for OGs was Alan Faneca out of LSU. He was head and shoulders the best OG in the draft that year and one of the best the league ever saw and he went 24th to Pittsburgh. When Cooper went 7th and Warmack 10th, it went against draft history and trends completely.
To further your case, the Cards got Cooper at 7 and Titans got Warmack at 10. Larry Warford from Kentucky went 65th, and I'd take him over either of those two any day. Both teams reached badly, granted it was a pretty poor draft but if re-done guys like Jon Hankins, LeVeon Bell, Warford, Keenan Allen would have gone far higher and a bust like Cooper and reach like Warmack would have gone where they should have, between 24-70.
We got Chris Snee, who we took at 34 and he anchored the right side of this OL for almost 10 years. If you view Scherff as an OG only you pass on him at 9, period.
That's where I disagree on Scherff, I think he has elite LT ability in the NFL. He can step in at RT immediately and slide Pugh inside to RG with Schwartz to LG and suddenly we have a pretty good OL. So I agree with your premise, but I think Scherff compares VERY favorably to someone who went 9th overall in 2011 and some had questions about his NFL position. He is now the best LT in the NFL and was a great value at 9 overall.
That man is of course Tyron Smith, who also went 9th and has very similar Ht/Wt and AA numbers to Scherff. If you think Scherff will play LT eventually and have that ability you nab him there. Smith went higher than a lot of folks projected him to, but the Cowboys were convinced he'd be the LT of the future with his size, power and athleticism and they were right. Anyone thinking Scherff can't man LT is just not watching close enough. The big knock as we saw with T-Rex will be arm length and no doubt Smith's reach and hand size set him apart but look at their numbers side by side, go watch some tape of Scherff and you'll see a stubby armed Tyron Smith who is a little bit better of an athlete. I put their pro day and combine numbers side by side, one is a Pro Bowl fixture at LT and one supposedly can't handle those duties and has to move OG. I disagree strongly and think Scherff should be the guy at 9 and he likely starts at RT day one and is the heir apparent to Beatty at LT.
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6-10 and the Coach has been wanting the organization to address the OL for years. Why? B/c it's not the issue? My gosh people lol
Actually, the coach was pleading for defensive help. I agree. It's the "O-line Uber Alles" people that aren't listening.
Actually it was the entire LOS considering he said how about "running the football and stopping the run" if you want to be more specific. Perhaps you could find a link to the audio for your Uber Allies
What do you think of Peat?
Thank you. People act like Tom just shows up with his whistle on Sundays.
My point being, those two didn't really fit the type of demonstrated talent that sees the football field on Sundays, and yet were picked anyway.
What do you think of Peat?
Eh, he's tall, athletic, good feet. We have one of those already. I really think what this OL needs is an identity and some nastiness. I think Pugh is tough enough, Richburg certainly seems to be cut from the Snee/Seubert not taking any crap mold but Schwartz and Beatty? Ehh..I think if you add Scherff and plug him in at RT and Pugh slides inside you've upgraded at two spots and gotten yourself a LT replacement for when Beatty decides he's tired of playing well.
Peat is one of those triangle guys, he's got all the numbers you look for but he's not going to grab anyone by the neck (i realize that's highly illegal) and add any fuel to our OL. Snee was a brawler, so was Seubert, O'Hara and McKenzie, and Diehl for that matter for as quiet as he seemed. Peat fits the OL mold for Reese if you use Beatty and Brewer as the measuring sticks for OT. Great tape, good in shorts, tall, long arms, etc...I just don't like soft OL and Peat strikes me that way a bit. Not soft but just not with that extra nasty we really need.
You think if Coughlin had his way the LOS would look like this? Not to mention, you still think Reese makes the picks? Hello?
I've been saying that forever TTH. Can't just blame Ross. Reese is the BOSS.
Wrong again
Despite all the evidence, testimonies, videos, audio, "Finding Giants" etc you still don't know how the Giants draft? Really?
Peat actually looks like he can add some weight in his upper body, he's a bit Boothe-ish down below but that makes him pretty hard to unseat in pass protection. He's got some pop downfield which may be intriguing. I need to watch more to really form a solid opinion but he's winning me over.
The one guy who surprised me is La'el Collins from LSU. He looks on the smallish side for a LT but he has the ability to lock on to a defender pretty well, no one seems to get away once he gets his hands on them.
I'd be very happy with either of these 2 at #9, I don't think Collins gets enough love as a Top 10 prospect. A guy who is at his best at G/RT, but could play LT down the line.
What I really like about Scherff (and Collins) is how they both have a good balance of power and finesse to their games. They're both nasty and physical but also have really nimble feet. The Giants love guys like that who can get to the second level and pull.
Has anyone given any consideration to the possibility that Reese continually stating that he would select a playmaker before an offensive lineman (while Coughlin is calling for reinforcements to both lines with John Mara listening in) might just be a smoke screen so that the WRs will be taken before #9 and Reese will be able to draft Scherff? In this draft, the Giants can get a WR who could contribute this year in the 3rd or 4th round. They don't have to (and shouldn't) go WR in Rd 1 in back to back years. If the offensive line isn't fixed, it won't make any difference who they are throwing to. Draft Scherff and the line is fixed. Then move on to the defense and a WR.
The projection then might look like this:
1. Brandon Scherff OT Iowa
2. Preston Smith DE Mississippi State
3. Damarious Randall FS Arizona State
4. Chris Conley WR Georgia
5. Jake Ryan LB Michigan
6. Erick Dargan SS Oregon
7. Damian Swann CB Georgia
7. Damian Wilson LB Minnesota