Brandon Scherrf pro day 7.07 3 cone.

And as much as we need to fortify the line, I hope we wait until round 2 to go Oline. I would rather have Beasley in round 1 and go guard in round 2.

Scherff will probably be the pick though.

Scherff is the best athlete among the top OL prospects. When people say he doesn't have the feet/movement to play LT, it's simply not true.

If he has worries about LT, it's more about consistency of technique, length, and ability to stick to his man.

My biggest concern is simple...his assignment makes tackles and/or assists on running plays way too often. He has the reputation as a mauler because he has a few highlights of punishing guys through the ground....but if you watch play after play and game after game...the bruiser mentality is more about his initial contact with the defender, then struggles to stick to him. Especially the guys that have NFL futures.

We're in attendance?

to play above average or better at three positions on the line and to play a solid LT. To me he'd be fine at 9. He really does remind me of Martin and I think he'd have a noticeable impact on OL play by the middle of the year.

Out of curiosity, because I honestly don't remember, what was your thoughts on Martin last year? Did you see more in him than you do in Scherff this year?

If you want the Giants to draft a physical player to establish a power running game Scherrf is the guy. Watch the attached video. He finishes his blocks as well as any collegiate player that I have seen.
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Out of curiosity, because I honestly don't remember, what was your thoughts on Martin last year? Did you see more in him than you do in Scherff this year?

Ironically....I have Scherff graded at the same exact point where I had Martin. You can say they are somewhat similar in that they played LT in college but may project better to inside in the NFL, but thats where the similarities end. They are different players.

Martin was more technically sound. Rarely would you see him make a technique based mistake. Scherff is the better athlete but he needs to clean things up.

So really...Martin is a safer prospect but I think Scherff can be the better pro over time.

If Jerry and the gang feel the value...No issues here.

Jerry likes his lineman to have quick feet and little power.

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Jerry likes his lineman to have quick feet and little power.

And cue the 3/15 drop in.

If that's how they go, I'm on board.

I also saw a handful of jersey on a couple of plays

I am not suggesting that the Giants draft Scherrf, but in doing some research I have found only positives about him. As a matter of fact in watching some games I thought that he displayed excellent technique, strength, and movement skills. He can pull to either side, gets to the second level with ease, finishes his blocks. He was also a stone wall in pass protection. I never saw him bull rushed and he slides very well. In all of the games I watched he was always singled against the opposing player and never had help.

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02/17/2015 - 2015 DRAFT SCOUT PRE-COMBINE TOP 64 DRAFT PROSPECTS: 6/1. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa, 6-5, 320, 4.93, 1...The only thing scouts agree about on Scherff is that he is the most NFL-ready offensive lineman in the draft. The debate is whether he should use his broad-shoulders and toughness at guard, where he played as a freshman, or show his excellent technique at tackle, where he lined up on the left side the rest of his college career and was named consensus All-American and earned the Outland Trophy last season as the best college lineman. Those who believe he belongs inside are probably concerned that he doesn't have quick footwork required against the NFL's outside pass rushers, an issue not helped a broken fibula and dislocated ankle as a sophomore.

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At the next level, Scherff could be one of the top guards in the league. Moving to the inside would hide his issues with speed rushers as well as his lack of length and short arms; all while making him a better pass-blocker. Scherff is an absolute beast in the ground game. He is extremely powerful and consistently blasts defensive linemen out of their gap. He can ride them around the field and rag-doll defenders. Scherff showed so much power that he would occasionally drive blockers with one arm. Scherff also is quick to fire to the second level and hit blocks, pull or lead blocks downfield. He is a devastating run-blocker who is a force in the trenches for the ground game. His raw power is extremely impressive, and he sustains his blocks through the whistle with a bullying attitude.

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Here is what I do not understand. If he supposedly has this elite athleticism and ability to move, why does the collective NFL view him as a guard

He can do all he wants in shorts. Watching games, Martin was a better LT prospect and he was. Peat looked better and Collins looked better

Scherrf looks more like a guard than a tackle. I believe that the scouting consensus is that Scherff projects to be an all pro at guard. He is a safe pick there without risk, but there are some questions about his ability to play at a pro bowl level at tackle.

Scherrf compares very favorably to Martin and is far superior athletically.

In comment 12203640 Headhunter said:

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I also saw a handful of jersey on a couple of plays

Don't forgot slamming on players when they are on the ground . That's a flag also . But I like his nasty .

would give us the most immediate improvement to our team. We need a guy like him. Put him and Schwartz at the Guard spots and see how much our running game improves, and how much better the play of Pugh and Beatty gets.

The WRs are a luxury pick, and may actually be the right pick for the long term, but Scherff is the best fit for us in the short term unless a guy like Beasley is there and Spags has very creative plans for how to use him to improve the defense.

over a long term benefit?

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Doc, what dod you mean?

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over a long term benefit?

Well, Scherff would be a long term asset for us as well; he's likely a Snee-comparable OG. The WR we select will only be that kind of long term asset to us if we don't re-sign RR and/or Cruz doesn't come back whole. Otherwise we have nowhere to play him.

This is the make or break year. If they don't make the playoffs, then the whole team (maybe the whole organization) will get blown up.

They need to plug the biggest hole with an instant starter. That's Scherrf at LG. Next year, they can figure out if he can play tackle and if Pugh can play guard.

The only other hole that's as big is FS and it doesn't look like there is a FS ranked near #9. If there is a trade down, that opens up different possibilities.

who projects as a long term all pro is worth your teams first pick. Whether it is at tackle or guard. IMO.

determine if changes are made. They could finish 9-7 or even 10-6 and due to a tie breaker miss out. Would you make changes 9-7 and no playoff?

would prefer a playmaker on offense or defense over a Guard.. However if he is the BPA.. thats what they will pick

but they are guards drafted to be guards at 40. Taking a tackle who will play guard at 9 is a waste of passing on a game changer if he's there

Put him a T or G, I really don't care. With him and Pugh we have a lot of options and can figure it out in preseason. We can get a WR in Rd 2 or Rd 3, it is a deep draft for them too. Besides we already have OBJ, Cruz, Randle, JJ, etc.

...that he is still available with the 9th pick.

that is an amazing three-cone time, on the same level as or quicker than some of the following WR prospects:

Mario Manningham: 7.34
Randall Cobb: 7.08
Jerrell Jernigan: 7.07
Golden Tate: 7.12

And way faster than some of the recent highly regarded OL:

Joel Bitonio: 7.37
Taylor Lewan: 7.39
Zach Martin: 7.65
Jake Matthews: 7.34


And this one blows me away - a faster three cone that this burner? The guy who used to catch birds/rabbits by hand?

David Wilson: 7.09

stick him at LG and forget about it..

In comment 12203703 Headhunter said:

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but they are guards drafted to be guards at 40. Taking a tackle who will play guard at 9 is a waste of passing on a game changer if he's there

Thank you. And I still don't trust another "can't miss" o-lineman from Iowa

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In comment 12203703 Headhunter said: Quote: but they are guards drafted to be guards at 40. Taking a tackle who will play guard at 9 is a waste of passing on a game changer if he's there Thank you. And I still don't trust another "can't miss" o-lineman from Iowa

Im of the mindset that you dont take a guard @ Nine.. but that all depends on who is on the board..

deciding if I would prefer Scherrf or a receiver (Cooper or White) if the opportunity falls to us...
I really think this kid is an animal and brings some bad ass mentality that we've been missing from the OL. I want someone to punish the DL and give our running backs a chance!
At the same time, if Cruz misses the start of the season, or doesn't come back as the same player, it would be sweet to have a Beckham/Cooper/White tandem.
I'm torn, but I guess in a good way.

he might not make it to our pick. Wouldn't be surprised to see him not make it to us.

This is why I find it a little ridiculous when in January people say that one player or another doesn't have a chance to be there when we pick, or that another player would be drafted too high. Lots of information coming in still informing selection.

could Scherf be our future LT?

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I really think this kid is an animal and brings some bad ass mentality that we've been missing from the OL. I want someone to punish the DL and give our running backs a chance!

That's the thing, it's not just simply about the position he plays, it's what he brings to the identity of the OL and the offense as a whole. Tom Coughlin is fond of saying that football is a tough sport played by tough guys. Scherff--and I think La'el Collins, too--can bring some much needed toughness.
p.s.-- Cooper will be long gone and I think White is boom or bust.

Is Scherrf that much better than Tomlinson or Cann who can be had in round 2? Erving should also be available. I do think Reese will add an OL in the first 2 rounds but I would prefer the 2nd.

I'm hoping for a front 7 addition with our first pick. The last 3 first round picks have been on offense. We need to add top notch talent to our defense.

I would be happy with either. Note in the highlights above not a lot of pass protection included. All run blocking, which is outstanding. Peat doesn't seem to have a lot of film on youtube, but what is there shows the type of LT the Giants have wanted for 30 years. Sherf is the kind of player the fans want, but the Giants never take. If it is between the two, we are taking Peat in my opinion.

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In comment 12203724 J Dot1 said:

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deciding if I would prefer Scherrf or a receiver (Cooper or White) if the opportunity falls to us... I really think this kid is an animal and brings some bad ass mentality that we've been missing from the OL. I want someone to punish the DL and give our running backs a chance! At the same time, if Cruz misses the start of the season, or doesn't come back as the same player, it would be sweet to have a Beckham/Cooper/White tandem. I'm torn, but I guess in a good way.

Im not.. take the highest rated player.. if thats a WR.. take him.. get a guard in round 2.. People need to wake up and realize that you get starting players on the OL in round 2...

I'm taking Scherff. If they're both gone, I'm trying like crazy to trade down.

In comment 12203615 Sy'56 said:

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Scherff is the best athlete among the top OL prospects. When people say he doesn't have the feet/movement to play LT, it's simply not true. If he has worries about LT, it's more about consistency of technique, length, and ability to stick to his man. My biggest concern is simple...his assignment makes tackles and/or assists on running plays way too often. He has the reputation as a mauler because he has a few highlights of punishing guys through the ground....but if you watch play after play and game after game...the bruiser mentality is more about his initial contact with the defender, then struggles to stick to him. Especially the guys that have NFL futures.

Ok Sy, you have sold me Scherrf. I was leaning against him at #9 because of all the talk that he couldn't play LT at some point. If he has LT ability then he makes a ton of sense at #9.

In comment 12203767 Phil in LA said:

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I'm taking Scherff. If they're both gone, I'm trying like crazy to trade down.

I'll add if Cooper, White and Beasley are gone.. Take Scherff.. if they are all gone... pray we dont take Cedric Jones part 2...

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Is Scherrf that much better than Tomlinson or Cann who can be had in round 2? Erving should also be available.

If he's not that much better than them, he won't go that much earlier. You get what you pay for. And I don't know of any draftniks who don't have Erving going in the first round.

....Scherrf!

a 1 year wonder at 9... at 15 maybe, but then I'd probably prefer Collins or Flowers and take Phillip Dorsett some time later.

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Is Scherrf that much better than Tomlinson or Cann who can be had in round 2?

From what I have read.. Yes.. He is considered by most to be the best OL in the draft..

Most people seem to rank Scherrf in the top 15 players in the draft.. Cann and Tomlinson rank around 45-55

you draft a stud olineman like Scherff and focus fortifying the Oline, and you won't need any top WR prospect from the draft. Having a great Oline will make everything better..

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I don't usually care about these youtube things because they are just PR crap. To get the real idea you need to watch all his games, etc. However boy does he look athletic in this video. I understand its a highlight reel, and doesn't contain any bad plays, but I love the way he gets out in front of the RB.