Brandon Scherrf pro day 7.07 3 cone.

If he did that at the combine it would mean much more than at his pro day. The guy who runs 4.5 at the combine runs 4.4+ at his pro day. Sure if they complete the combine workout then want to improve times I'm fine with that but show me what you've got on the big stage not the back stage.

In our offense. He can definitely pull and get to the second level quick and with power. Our running game could really take off this year! Would love the pick our oline needs more nasty.

In comment 12203693 Ivan15 said:

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This is the make or break year. If they don't make the playoffs, then the whole team (maybe the whole organization) will get blown up. They need to plug the biggest hole with an instant starter. That's Scherrf at LG. Next year, they can figure out if he can play tackle and if Pugh can play guard.

I doubt very much that anything is getting blown up. Making the playoffs is a goal, but what will actually indicate that the Giants are on the right path is just how competitive they are.

Making it to 9-7 this year will be considered to be a significant accomplishment and will set the tone for the future. Barring another team-wide injury bug, I can see 8-8 or 9-7, with some losses being hard-fought contests against good teams.

If they continue to roll over when playing good teams, then things won't look too good. By taking a lesser player at 9 because of need, you virtually assure this sort of performance into the future.

Of the OL.

Is he as good a prospect as J. Cooper, C. Warmack, D. Decastro, Z. Martin

All these guys were thought to be as good or better prospects. Cooper was the highest drafted G in the last 15 years and does not play.

You draft an interior guy at 9 he needs to top 3 or 4 at his position. A good player is not enough - because you can find that all over

Cooper
Fowler/Beasley
Scherff

With Leonard Williams, two QB's, Kevin White and Danny Shelton there is your Top 9. Gregory rounded out the Top 10 but the knucklehead will drop now.

1) cooper
2) Scherff

3) get the hell out of the #9 spot. And I'm
No to White also.

He appears to be Robert gallery 2.0. I would def pass on him and take a lineman round 2

We don't need a wr in the first rd. I would love Eli to have 8 seconds to scan the field like Romo.

In comment 12203917 charlito said:

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I would love Eli to have 8 seconds to scan the field like Romo.

That would not be what the offensive coordinator wants, however.

He would like Eli to have a clean pocket and the ability to step up and deliver the ball.

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He would like Eli to have a clean pocket and the ability to step up and deliver the ball.

I agree, but I don't think they were lacking for that as much as it's made out to be on here. Richburg and Schwartz on the interior of the line goes a long way toward addressing that.

so we'll disagree completely. The pocket was a mess especially up the middle. Walton and Jerry were either turnstiles or collapsed. Eli was hurried, harassed and hit consistently. It's a good thing Macs scheme gets the ball out or Eli would have been killed.

but I'll be a bit surprised if they pick him at #9, it would be very unlike the regime to go OL that high unless they feel he could play LT.

But he would be my choice at 9 unquestionably. If you ask me if I'd rather have a play maker the answer is yes, and that's exactly why I pick Scherrf at 9. He is a play maker. On this team that struggles to make plays due to the serious problems on our o-line Scherrf would go a long way in helping us to make plenty of plays! Heck, he may even give us a running game again. Imagine that. It's been so long since we had a running game I think some of us have forgotten how nice that would be.

But again, it would be just our luck that he'll be gone before we pick.

Did you assess players back in 2004? I ask because whenever I hear tons of good things about an O-linemen I think about Rob Gallery. Just wondering if you see any comparables between Gallery and Sherff.

In comment 12203908 Tuckrule said:

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He appears to be Robert gallery 2.0. I would def pass on him and take a lineman round 2

Didn't see this before I posted. I am not saying I don't want him because to me he looks really good. But I am also starting to get the Gallery vibe.

I keep coming back to the same unnerving thought
Ivan15 : 3/25/2015 9:55 pm : link : reply
This is the make or break year. If they don't make the playoffs, then the whole team (maybe the whole organization) will get blown up.


This is another one of those 8-8, +/-1, seasons....
I expect this offense to score......I don't expect this defense to be much better than last year, because over the last 3 seasons we have lost playerss, who have been replaced with guys, who are not as good as those, when they were at their peak......Spags will be under a lot of pressure to turn this around, and while it took Spags 3 games to get this defense on track, the first time, I think this time, it will take a whole season and then some, to get on track....

The Giants did not make big free agent moves, I think, because next year is when they can go after impact players, and if we can have a good draft to build on, 2016 looks like the season the Giants are aiming for....and I think 2016 will be TC's last hurrah...

Every prospect is evaluated on his own merits. You can compare him to Zack Martin or Robert Gallery or Tony the Tiger.

Iowa has as much success sending offensive linemen to the NFL as any NCAA program. You want to draft them because they are well prepared both technically and physically. Only BBI could turn this into a negative.

Gallery was a very good OG but was mis-evaluated as an OT. Reiff and Bulaga were both drafted #23. Reiff has played well and Bulaga has been serviceable. Eric Steinbach was taken #33 overall and had a very good career. Marshall Yanda has been a productive 3rd round pick for the Ravens. Kyle Calloway was been a 7th round find for the Bills.

They need a tough, mean spirited lineman for once, who could stabilize an area of need. Then they can watch him leave after his rookie contract expires.

In comment 12204007 Lithium said:

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They need a tough, mean spirited lineman for once, who could stabilize an area of need. Then they can watch him leave after his rookie contract expires.

Can someone ban the troll?

He hasn't quite crossed the ban line yet. Patience it is coming.

In comment 12203656 stretch234 said:

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(1) Here is what I do not understand. If he supposedly has this elite athleticism and ability to move, why does the collective NFL view him as a guard He can do all he wants in shorts. Watching games, Martin was a better LT prospect and he was. Peat looked better and Collins looked better (2) Is he as good a prospect as J. Cooper, C. Warmack, D. Decastro, Z. Martin All these guys were thought to be as good or better prospects. Cooper was the highest drafted G in the last 15 years and does not play. You draft an interior guy at 9 he needs to top 3 or 4 at his position. A good player is not enough - because you can find that all over

Two good posts my stretch234 IMO

1. Why is he not viewed as a tackle first? For all we know, the real experts do view him as a tackle. If not, what is he? A real athletic Guard who can pull better than others? I would think at his size and ability to move he would be viewed as a tackle. Meanwhile, Lael Collins looked pretty good yet kinda surprised he weighed in at only 305lbs.

2. Tough call as DeCastro was injured and Martin was really solid as a rookie surrounded by good talent. Meanwhile, Warmack was supposedly all-world yet isn't exactly dominating at the POA while Cooper can't even get on the field. Is it the Iowa uniform which reminds some of us Gallery?

Can't miss on this #9 pick and the team is more desperate for OL than WR. Meanwhile, back at the safety position (yikes, so many holes).

if you did you would know that Eli attempted 601 passes and was sacked 14 times. So he was sacked 1 out of every 40 times he dropped back, So you are saying that he got hit hit often attempting to pass? If so getting hit and passing and only 14 interceptions is pretty awesome. Now if Eli was getting killed as often as you say, there were a lot of roughing the passer calls that were not made. But why let facts get in the way of a good story

Tony Boselli with the 2nd pick in the 95 draft for the Jaguars, and Snee in the second round as well. So he believes in taking TOP OL early. Reese and Mara may see it differently. Peat has the measurables and brains but does he have the desire to use them.

good questions.

If you watched the games you should know Eli was under duress consistently last season. What else needs to be said. There is legitimate contact with QB's that doesn't result in flags all the time. His pocket wasn't clean, he was regularly moved 'off his spot' and forced to reset, wasn't allowed to 'step up' and deliver the ball...all a function of our awful play from guard to guard on the interior. We converted a measley 43% on 3rd downs. This doesn't address their failure in the running game and short yardage where they were even worse.

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so we'll disagree completely. The pocket was a mess especially up the middle. Walton and Jerry were either turnstiles or collapsed. Eli was hurried, harassed and hit consistently. It's a good thing Macs scheme gets the ball out or Eli would have been killed.

Walton isn't here anymore. Unless you're projecting that Richburg is going to be just as bad. And the reason Jerry was playing is because Schwartz was injured and not playing.

I'll feel better when I know Jerry or Jones aren't starting and Schwartz proves he can stay on the field for a change. Fair enough?

I also remember him standing back there looking at his 2nd and 3rd options on a lot of throws. The pass blocking was not the issue

Moreover, the team doesn't even know what Jones is.

He could be anything from a camp washout to a surprise find.

Pass blocking was bad and was covered up by Macs scheme.

It's been putrid for years now. I'm sure he can inject some life and power at the point of attack. Lord knows John Jerry can't do it.

fair enough and it's how it should be, agreeing to disagree

The point is we still don't have a starting LG and the Giants were concerned enough about Schwartz injury they forced him into a pay for play contract re-structure. I'll feel more comfortable if we draft #9 or #40. Until then I don't consider this unit upgraded.

should read.

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(gee, maybe he does).

...and optimistic Schwartz will be healthy. I don't understand some of 'the spin' recently on Jerry here on BBI. When has this guy ever been an effective player. I see the inconsistent label and frankly noone can suck all the time. He's still awful. More needs to be done obviously.

He played really well in some games, and dreadfully in others. I believe they'll find a starting OG or RT in this draft's first three rounds, a player good enough to keep Jerry planted on the bench or waived.

I do know he had a knee injury in OTA's last year. I would assume we will get a better idea this summer

year until circumstances forced him into the lineup.

His skillset is that of a backup. He's okay at one thing and has glaring flaws at another.

Just as you can infer that they're concerned about Schwartz, they were also convinced enough last season that he represented a significant upgrade and deserved a pretty healthy contract.

There are some positions in this draft deep enough to feel confident you can acquire a starter in Round 3. WR and RB certainly. DT is quite deep for a change imo. I don't see the depth of talent along the OL in this class to be comfortable waiting that long. It's thin at that top of the 3rd area. You're looking at Ali Marpet projected in that range with not much more available and no guarantee he'll be there. The smart decision is to solidify what is probably the biggest need on this team by pick #40 imo.

Roger that, but I wouldn't reach too big at #40 (eg, Marpet). Cann or one of those monsters works.

I really wonder what NYG thinks of Peat and Scherff at #9 ... one of them at #9, DL at #40, WR at #74 works for me.

the NFL compiles stats which are available on-line.

Giants were tied for 9th in number of passes attempted

Giants were 10th in both sacks (as in 10th fewest) and 10th in QB hits allowed (as in 10th fewest).

There seems to be little correlation between hits and sacks. Brady was hit 9 more times than Eli and yet was sacked 4 fewer times. Luck was hit over 100 times and yet sacked only 29 (Luck is a frigging moose). Romo was sacked over half the time he was hit. He was sacked 30 times despite throwing far fewer passes and having a beast running game.

One thing is for certain: the BBI meme about Eli being under constant seige is false.

Let's put another BBI meme to rest also. Our running problems were to the right side, not the left. We were middle of the pack getting first downs with 2 yards or less to go running left. We were near the bottom in the same stat running right. The Pugh-Jerry combination struggled. Make of that what you will.
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to draft someone with hamstring probs.

Those 'stats' are useless without context. Which in this case is time to release. Under Macs system Eli got the ball out as quickly as anyone in the league. Given the pressure he faced maybe quicker than anyone else. It also doesn't account for the QB's ability to 'slip' pressure, avoid hits and maneuver around the pocket under duress. A skill at which Eli is extremely under rated imo.

Stats are useful but nothing tells the story like your own two eyes. So much for debunking BBI memes.

In comment 12203836 Simms11 said:

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In our offense. He can definitely pull and get to the second level quick and with power. Our running game could really take off this year! Would love the pick our oline needs more nasty.

Funny, don't know why but that rant by the coach, of Coastal Carolina I think, about having dogs not cats came to mind with your "more nasty" comment.

They were crap run blocking but they sure weren't what you'd call good at either imo. The group needs more talent and more toughness. is that really debatable? Does it matter how bad they were at one of the other? Both can stand significant improvement.

In comment 12203877 Torrag said:

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Cooper Fowler/Beasley Scherff With Leonard Williams, two QB's, Kevin White and Danny Shelton there is your Top 9. Gregory rounded out the Top 10 but the knucklehead will drop now.

Hard to disagree. Would replace Gregory with Dupree; I think someone will pick him before 9.


So imo if you look at the next group, Scherff could very well end up being the player left with the highest grade.

Other than OL next group - Gregory(weight & dope), Parker(has a foot), Collins(coverage ability?), Ray?, or Goldman / Brown?

First the running game was non-existent. Second, we didn't get many sacks because of Eli's experience and also the quick passes and 3-step drops. Now the problem is that the defenses know this and just cover short, so no one is open and we can't move the ball. We're left with going deep, and the D knows they can get their with only their front 4. This means 7 in pass coverage. This is why we can't move the ball against any defense in the top half of the league. If we could run, or pass protect for the 5 and 7 foot drops (so longer passes), we could do better. Like in 2011 our running game sucked, but we could protect Eli know matter what pass patterns were called.

We need to upgrade the line, its not just about sacks its about the functioning of the offense. If the defense knows we can't run or throw deep because their front 4 is dominating, it makes it very easy on the defense to just cover the short slants and outs.