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Nebraska DE/OLB Randy Gregory fails drug test at NFL Combine

Big Rick in FL : 3/26/2015 12:03 am
There goes his chances at top 10.
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Kinda sucks  
Big Rick in FL : 3/26/2015 12:08 am : link
Was hoping he went to the Jets or Falcons so either Fowler, Beasley, Cooper or White fell to 9. Only positive is we can probably get a top 10 talent in the 2nd round.
stupid is  
Bill in UT : 3/26/2015 12:09 am : link
as stupid does
that's pretty much the dumbest drug test you can fail  
WeatherMan : 3/26/2015 12:10 am : link
that's going to hit him right in the paycheck, hard.
Yup  
Big Rick in FL : 3/26/2015 12:13 am : link
Justin Houston fell to the 3rd round after failing a drug test. Granted I don't think he was projected top 15.

It's not like it's a surprise. You know the dates of the NFL combine a long time in advance. Stop smoking weed. It's weed it's not that fucking hard. I smoked a lot of weed everyday for 3 or 4 years straight. Said I'm going to stop tomorrow and I smoked probably 3 times in the last 5 years.
Much to do about nothing...  
geelabee : 3/26/2015 12:47 am : link
The guy tested positive for pot....Probably legal CO that's been showing up in neighboring states like Nebraska....I think it's time that the NFL and all sports leagues reevaluate their pot policies...with weed now legal on several states....and before long the whole US...Hopefully This causes Gregory to drop and he falls right into the Giants lap @9....one of the top pass rushers in this year's draft and he won't be available @40...
20 something year old  
giantgiantfan : 3/26/2015 1:02 am : link
college student makes bad decision...
IMO this doesn't rule him out at 9  
NoGainDayne : 3/26/2015 1:07 am : link
if he checks out for us talent wise. It's a personal maturity issue not an indictment of the commitment to honing his craft. IE when you see this combined with weight issues or you watch film and say "man this guy could have spent more time developing his moves/game" then you really worry.

With him he weighed in light if anything and IMO has the most prolific set of pass rush moves in the draft. (I'd still prefer Beasley's edge in raw talent to his moves as it's easier to teach someone good moves than it is to get someone with of Vic's athleticism) but even in light of this I still have a similar grade for Gregory and Fowler after Beasley.

I get that Fowler has the "look" / measurables and did get moved around because of his talent/versatility and did it all for the team (can't be underestimated) but make no mistake about it Gregory has shown more success on the field and has a higher quantity of taped evidence of excelling as a pass rusher.

Some great NFL players smoke weed, as is the case in every sport. This is simply a case of cutting it too close to the test. (December is clearly an exaggeration, i'd guess it was really end of Jan beginning of Feb that he stopped) what it means to be a professional is not approaching that line. You can definitely mature into that mind set. But to reiterate whatever his habits he hasn't let them leak into his conditioning or training process so it could be a lot worse.

I think you have to look at this in a similar vein (not saying he's the same talent) but to a Randy Moss a guy that needs to learn the lesson that just because you are one of the best doesn't mean you can try to dance around your peripheral responsibilities off the field.


You saw this with Sapp too. They fell because of minor OFF FIELD maturity issues. I know some of you have your pitchforks ready but I personally would hate to look back on this draft and say we passed on a great player for that's a man on the field and a teenager off. Especially when you see children off the field getting drafted higher and when I say children i'm talking about the following people just to name a few:

Jameis Winston (Repeated lack of self awareness, overstated sense of self worth)

Dez Bryant (One scout called his the "worst background he's ever seen" )

Peter Warrick (Stealing)

Michael Floyd (two arrests for underage drinking + a DUI in college)

Bruce Irvin (Dropped out of high school, was arrested for destruction of property after his pro day when he broke a sign outside of a Jimmy Johns)

Then there is also this study which found that players are downgraded too harshly. "The researchers discovered, however, that players who had been arrested but not charged were downgraded in the draft by about 15 spots (nearly half a round), but ended up outperforming their counterparts with no arrest records who were drafted higher"


People were quick to vilify the extreme version of this (that poster that judged OBJ for his pictures on facebook) but IMO those that get too up in arms about this kind of thing are using a milder form of that logic. Namely being too harsh on a kid that made choices that you might not make today while ignoring the fact that young people make dumb choices sometimes, some continue to but many learn from those experiences. For every Randy Gregory there is a Von Miller someone that gets caught bending the rules after they have established themselves as an NFL player. For every 20 rule breakers (or those that walk the edge) maybe 1 gets caught and then for every 20 times one person breaks a rule they get caught by a similar ratio.

We as Giants fans should especially understand that even in the most extreme cases very personally irresponsible people can still be stars...LT...

The only real mistake is overreacting or being too rigid / black and white with extrapolating the long term impact of one or a few mistakes in the development of a potentially well rounded person.
RE: that's pretty much the dumbest drug test you can fail  
Anakim : 3/26/2015 1:19 am : link
In comment 12203799 WeatherMan said:
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that's going to hit him right in the paycheck, hard.



Seriously. You KNOW you're gonna be tested soon and you KNOW it affects your landing spot so why the hell would you do it?

I bet he ends up in Dallas or Cinci now
What bothers me...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/26/2015 1:40 am : link
Is his claim that he hadn't smoked weed since December, but because his levels were so high, he still posted positive at the combine. How elevated would his levels have to be?

His story stinks worse than if he just said he got high the weekend before the combine, IMO.
Looking more and more like  
Mr. Nickels : 3/26/2015 1:45 am : link
we are going oline
Never cease to amaze, Every year  
Mason : 3/26/2015 1:54 am : link
Every year, we get this and every year you have posters who don't get it. It doesn't matter how you feel about recreational drug use. Teams view it as a character issue and red flags are there.

The fact that he knew he would be drug tested and still tested positive is the point. It is a bad reflection on his character and how serious he is taking this entire process.

RE: What bothers me...  
Mason : 3/26/2015 2:01 am : link
In comment 12203817 Dan in the Springs said:
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Is his claim that he hadn't smoked weed since December, but because his levels were so high, he still posted positive at the combine. How elevated would his levels have to be?

His story stinks worse than if he just said he got high the weekend before the combine, IMO.


So more red flags. Dishonestly to potential employers and he is a moron if he believes that any drug tester, drug user or first year pharmacy student wouldn't laugh their asses off with that explanation.
regardless of one's opinion re: pot  
bc4life : 3/26/2015 5:35 am : link
Given all that was at stake and the Will Hill fiasco - you have to be crazy to take him at 9. Personally, I don't think he'd be the pick without the positive test.
At least he totally owns up to it  
illmatic : 3/26/2015 5:53 am : link
in the article. Can't say that every player, college or NFL, would do that. Most of the time they don't. But yeah, he's definitely not going top 10 now.
Will Hill  
GiantBlue : 3/26/2015 6:00 am : link
We ain't drafting Gregory now.
Better failing because of Pot  
ZogZerg : 3/26/2015 6:03 am : link
Than because of PEDS.
How stupid caan a person get. This will cost him  
Blue21 : 3/26/2015 6:31 am : link
big money
You get no points for saying, 'Yup, I did it.' from me......  
CBSGameFace : 3/26/2015 6:36 am : link
Dude. It is the Combine. They are gonna fine tooth comb your ass. You still smoked?

You really can't blame anyone when it comes to drugs. I really liked Wes Welker' s Molly excuse, too.

Fuckin yo-yos........
no thanks  
Mike in NY : 3/26/2015 6:44 am : link
It is not so much that he used weed (which I will not pretend to understand), but you have the biggest interview of your life where you know that testing occurs and you can't lay off of it enough to be clean makes me question his desire and that is a major red flag
RE: Much to do about nothing...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/26/2015 6:45 am : link
In comment 12203807 geelabee said:
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The guy tested positive for pot....Probably legal CO that's been showing up in neighboring states like Nebraska....I think it's time that the NFL and all sports leagues reevaluate their pot policies...with weed now legal on several states....and before long the whole US...Hopefully This causes Gregory to drop and he falls right into the Giants lap @9....one of the top pass rushers in this year's draft and he won't be available @40...


Please don't qualify it. This is the biggest job interview in his life. You wouldn't show up to one un showered and in jeans and a t-shirt. It's common sense.
Depending on the sensitivity  
section125 : 3/26/2015 6:56 am : link
of the test, its 3 to 4 weeks to clear his system.
RE: Yup  
Randy in CT : 3/26/2015 7:02 am : link
In comment 12203801 Big Rick in FL said:
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Justin Houston fell to the 3rd round after failing a drug test. Granted I don't think he was projected top 15.

It's not like it's a surprise. You know the dates of the NFL combine a long time in advance. Stop smoking weed. It's weed it's not that fucking hard. I smoked a lot of weed everyday for 3 or 4 years straight. Said I'm going to stop tomorrow and I smoked probably 3 times in the last 5 years.
Can I have your weed?
What sucks is it takes a top 10 talent out of the mix  
Torrag : 3/26/2015 7:18 am : link
Personally I don't think we were drafting him but Atlanta and Chicago were seriously in play. Now they'll probably take someone we were interested in.
Warren Sapp failed his drug test too  
Giants2012 : 3/26/2015 7:33 am : link
Not saying this kid is Sapp and I think many are worried about his weight yet I this drug is becoming more legal each day.
Drop the "I"  
Giants2012 : 3/26/2015 7:34 am : link
I need caffeine :)
He falls right into Jerry Jones  
Headhunter : 3/26/2015 7:35 am : link
lap
Not being able to invent someone else to blame, he blamed  
Marty in Albany : 3/26/2015 7:39 am : link
himself. Gotta respect that kind of integrity.
He won't drop too far.  
section125 : 3/26/2015 7:45 am : link
He's too good. While stupid to fail a test that you know is coming, he's young and will not cost a bundle on his rookie contract. Some team is desperate need of a pass rusher will draft him. Bet he still goes in the first 12. He's got the frame to be a true 4-3 DE as well as 3-4 OLB.
no matter how you view this  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/26/2015 8:02 am : link
there is no denying that it raises questions about a player when he makes a bad decision -- some bad decisions can be brushed off and others are indicative of a person's future patterns -- you have to ask the questions when the issue is raised

It doesn't necessarily follow that the person is a risk - but it follows that you need to look at this as an issue
He made a decision  
mrvax : 3/26/2015 8:09 am : link
and decided it was worth risking millions of dollars to get stoned. Most people would call that a stupid decision. I agree.

Having the NFL change its pot policies is another story.
How  
AcidTest : 3/26/2015 8:13 am : link
ever far he falls, this was colossally stupid. It isn't just the failed drug test, it's that he failed it during the combine, when he knew he would be tested. That is a sign of real arrogance, that he's entitled to do what he wants, when he wants.

I don't think we would have taken him anyway because he doesn't fit our system. But now we certainly won't. We are the team of team captains. I'm not even sure we'd take him at 40 if he fell that far. Too many memories of Hill and Hosley.

Will somebody still take him in the first round? Probably. But it won't be us.
It's an IQ test...  
Dunedin81 : 3/26/2015 8:25 am : link
teams know these guys smoke and they're more or less accepting of it. But when you lack the intelligence or the self control to keep away from it for the few weeks that precede the most important job interview of your life, it does (and should) send up red flags.
does this count as "strike one" in the NFL drug policy?  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/26/2015 8:34 am : link
If so, it would put him closer to a possible suspension. That would work against a team drafting him "high" (pun intended).
if a guy can't stop himself  
B in ALB : 3/26/2015 8:39 am : link
from smoking grass before the biggest moment of his life how can anyone expect him to make good decisions with millions of dollars in his pocket?

This is beyond idiotic. The guy is a fool who just cost himself a lifetime worth of income for most people in this country. All because he wanted to get high. Brilliant.

I don't agree with this country's policies on grass. I think it should be legalized across the board. However, private employers have the right to expect their employees to not smoke. And knowing that you're going to be drug tested - yet smoking anyways - is mind bottling.
wut B and Dunedin said  
JonC : 3/26/2015 8:40 am : link
He'll fall.
RE: does this count as  
Bernie : 3/26/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12203936 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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If so, it would put him closer to a possible suspension. That would work against a team drafting him "high" (pun intended).


Yes. He will enter the NFL in stage 1 of the program. The most troubling part about this is that he failed 2 other tests prior to this one. Smoking pot is clearly important to him. This indicates it's more important than playing football. He is unreliable. What a shame.
Headhunter's 7:35  
ColHowPepper : 3/26/2015 9:30 am : link
heh, and Jerrah licking his chops, the hell with Hardy only, he'll have two

He may well fall, but maybe a team assigns a Charles Way baby sitter to him and takes him...would be surprised if he falls to where we are picking. Spags will be jumping up and down in the war room, saying never mind about Will Hill....
what was he thinking!!!!  
BCD : 3/26/2015 9:33 am : link
..cough...cough..
He gets drafted high,  
Doomster : 3/26/2015 9:49 am : link
and what does that tell him? Can do whatever he wants?

You don't suddenly become mature with age.....he can have a 'tude for the rest of his life.....he could meet someone, that changes him completely.....no one knows what this guy will be.....it's a complete gamble......

He has the tools......does he have the brain?
He He..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/26/2015 9:51 am : link
B called it "grass".

Hey, wait a minute, the fuzz just pulled up!

I gotta jet!
RE: He He..  
Klaatu : 3/26/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12204079 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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B called it "grass".

Hey, wait a minute, the fuzz just pulled up!

I gotta jet!


Groovy.
RE: Will Hill  
TheCatch : 3/26/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12203832 GiantBlue said:
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We ain't drafting Gregory now.


exactly !
Regardless  
OC2.0 : 3/26/2015 10:16 am : link
Of your opinion of weed smoking, that was stupid on his part. What, you couldn't lay off it for a coupla months?

On the flip side the NFL needs to review it's weed policy as more & more places are legalizing it now, as mentioned above.
B also said  
Bake54 : 3/26/2015 10:25 am : link
"mind bottling" so I suspect he has been smoking this morning ...haha.
RE: 20 something year old  
RC02XX : 3/26/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12203810 giantgiantfan said:
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college student makes bad decision...


But it isn't merely a 20 year old college student making a bad decision. These guys know that everything that they do is business decision at this point. Whether he's 20 or 30 or even 40, he knew what was at stake and knew that he'll be tested. This isn't just an immature idiot kid making a dumb decision, it was a potential multi-millionaire making a dumb business decision.
Here is OUR CHANCE  
spike : 3/26/2015 10:41 am : link
to nap a elite pass rusher!!

LT was no saint either!
not nap  
spike : 3/26/2015 10:44 am : link
NAB.

Sorry no sleep last night
RE: IMO this doesn't rule him out at 9  
PatersonPlank : 3/26/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12203812 NoGainDayne said:
Quote:
if he checks out for us talent wise. It's a personal maturity issue not an indictment of the commitment to honing his craft. IE when you see this combined with weight issues or you watch film and say "man this guy could have spent more time developing his moves/game" then you really worry.

With him he weighed in light if anything and IMO has the most prolific set of pass rush moves in the draft. (I'd still prefer Beasley's edge in raw talent to his moves as it's easier to teach someone good moves than it is to get someone with of Vic's athleticism) but even in light of this I still have a similar grade for Gregory and Fowler after Beasley.

I get that Fowler has the "look" / measurables and did get moved around because of his talent/versatility and did it all for the team (can't be underestimated) but make no mistake about it Gregory has shown more success on the field and has a higher quantity of taped evidence of excelling as a pass rusher.

Some great NFL players smoke weed, as is the case in every sport. This is simply a case of cutting it too close to the test. (December is clearly an exaggeration, i'd guess it was really end of Jan beginning of Feb that he stopped) what it means to be a professional is not approaching that line. You can definitely mature into that mind set. But to reiterate whatever his habits he hasn't let them leak into his conditioning or training process so it could be a lot worse.

I think you have to look at this in a similar vein (not saying he's the same talent) but to a Randy Moss a guy that needs to learn the lesson that just because you are one of the best doesn't mean you can try to dance around your peripheral responsibilities off the field.


You saw this with Sapp too. They fell because of minor OFF FIELD maturity issues. I know some of you have your pitchforks ready but I personally would hate to look back on this draft and say we passed on a great player for that's a man on the field and a teenager off. Especially when you see children off the field getting drafted higher and when I say children i'm talking about the following people just to name a few:

Jameis Winston (Repeated lack of self awareness, overstated sense of self worth)

Dez Bryant (One scout called his the "worst background he's ever seen" )

Peter Warrick (Stealing)

Michael Floyd (two arrests for underage drinking + a DUI in college)

Bruce Irvin (Dropped out of high school, was arrested for destruction of property after his pro day when he broke a sign outside of a Jimmy Johns)

Then there is also this study which found that players are downgraded too harshly. "The researchers discovered, however, that players who had been arrested but not charged were downgraded in the draft by about 15 spots (nearly half a round), but ended up outperforming their counterparts with no arrest records who were drafted higher"


People were quick to vilify the extreme version of this (that poster that judged OBJ for his pictures on facebook) but IMO those that get too up in arms about this kind of thing are using a milder form of that logic. Namely being too harsh on a kid that made choices that you might not make today while ignoring the fact that young people make dumb choices sometimes, some continue to but many learn from those experiences. For every Randy Gregory there is a Von Miller someone that gets caught bending the rules after they have established themselves as an NFL player. For every 20 rule breakers (or those that walk the edge) maybe 1 gets caught and then for every 20 times one person breaks a rule they get caught by a similar ratio.

We as Giants fans should especially understand that even in the most extreme cases very personally irresponsible people can still be stars...LT...

The only real mistake is overreacting or being too rigid / black and white with extrapolating the long term impact of one or a few mistakes in the development of a potentially well rounded person.


Other teams maybe, but the Giants won't touch him now.
The Giants won't touch him?  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2015 10:54 am : link
They drafted that schmuck Hosley, didn't they?
We need every quality pick to be above reproach..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/26/2015 11:14 am : link
I don't give two shitz about the weed..I give many shitz about the stupidity that RG has glommed onto..Speaks to his intelligence, imo..

I don't want stupid(see Hill, Will) on my squad..We need reliability..
just in case anyone had forgotten  
Greg from LI : 3/26/2015 11:16 am : link
Quote:
Teams also were told that Virginia Tech cornerback JayRon Hosley failed a drug test, according to Glazer. NFL.com reporter Ian Rapoport confirmed, via a source with knowledge of Hosley's test results, that he failed his test at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Link - ( New Window )
and yet  
spike : 3/26/2015 11:16 am : link
the Giants erroneously picked him in the 3rd
The 3rd is not the 1st  
PatersonPlank : 3/26/2015 11:19 am : link
and look at what happened. He has gotten suspended for violating drug policy. We also let go of others for the same. I would bet my left nut that the Giants won't touch anyone in Rd 1 who has this on their record.
RE: The Giants won't touch him?  
BLUATHRT : 3/26/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12204262 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
They drafted that schmuck Hosley, didn't they?


Haha, always finding a way to get in some VT hate!
RE: The Giants won't touch him?  
Mason : 3/26/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12204262 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
They drafted that schmuck Hosley, didn't they?


Hosley had a 1st round grade on many mock drafts. He dropped to the end of the 3rd round.
I agree with PattersonPlank  
DavidinBMNY : 3/26/2015 11:29 am : link
He is off the board for NYG.

RE: B also said  
B in ALB : 3/26/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12204174 Bake54 said:
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"mind bottling" so I suspect he has been smoking this morning ...haha.


Yeah. Mind bottling.
# 9-Gregory  
Headhunter : 3/26/2015 11:55 am : link
#40 Gurley

Jerry Reese get's
A) Fired
B) given a lifetime contract
RE: RE: The Giants won't touch him?  
Victor in CT : 3/26/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12204336 Mason said:
Quote:
In comment 12204262 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


They drafted that schmuck Hosley, didn't they?



Hosley had a 1st round grade on many mock drafts. He dropped to the end of the 3rd round.


Shows you how bad those mock draft scouts are...
RE: Depending on the sensitivity  
Mason : 3/26/2015 12:07 pm : link
In comment 12203848 section125 said:
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of the test, its 3 to 4 weeks to clear his system.


He said he smoke weed in December and was tested approximately 7 weeks later. And that's if you give him the benefit of doubt that he smoked on New Year's Eve. Heavy and long term pot users may rarely have THC levels in their system a little more than two months. He said he was neither.

He must have a low opinion of the NFL medical staff.
RE: 20 something year old  
Joey in VA : 3/26/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12203810 giantgiantfan said:
Quote:
college student makes bad decision...

20 year old prospective professional athlete with millions on the line ignores importance of professionalism and costs himself a ton of money by being an idiot.

This isn't Jimmy Smith from Sioux City, IA, it's a potential top 10 pick with his entire future in his own hands and he blew it. Who cares where it's legal, it's KNOWN that it's tested for you know WHEN, how, what time, etc. He didn't have the foresight to be able to say no for 30 days? That's not damning for what he did but what he did represents. He doesn't give a flying fuck, that's a huge red flag if I'm investing millions in a 20 year old.
RE: Much to do about nothing...  
weaverpsu : 3/26/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12203807 geelabee said:
Quote:
The guy tested positive for pot....Probably legal CO that's been showing up in neighboring states like Nebraska....I think it's time that the NFL and all sports leagues reevaluate their pot policies...with weed now legal on several states....and before long the whole US...Hopefully This causes Gregory to drop and he falls right into the Giants lap @9....one of the top pass rushers in this year's draft and he won't be available @40...


Yeah because you couldn't get weed in Nebraska or Colorado before it was legalized....
RE: RE: 20 something year old  
weaverpsu : 3/26/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12204478 Joey in VA said:
Quote:
In comment 12203810 giantgiantfan said:


Quote:


college student makes bad decision...


20 year old prospective professional athlete with millions on the line ignores importance of professionalism and costs himself a ton of money by being an idiot.

This isn't Jimmy Smith from Sioux City, IA, it's a potential top 10 pick with his entire future in his own hands and he blew it. Who cares where it's legal, it's KNOWN that it's tested for you know WHEN, how, what time, etc. He didn't have the foresight to be able to say no for 30 days? That's not damning for what he did but what he did represents. He doesn't give a flying fuck, that's a huge red flag if I'm investing millions in a 20 year old.


agree 100%
To paraphrase Joey in VA  
David in LA : 3/26/2015 12:48 pm : link
"YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!"
Based on the headline alone....  
Milton : 3/26/2015 2:52 pm : link
I wouldn't necessarily drop him more than five or ten spots on my draft board, but after reading the story, he sounds very risky. He admits to having an addiction to it in the past, so he is always at risk of falling off the wagon (as opposed to a recreational user who was just stupid).

And his story about having so much in his system that he tested positive in February for weed he smoked in December doesn't ring true, especially when you consider he spent January training (and sweating and hydrating and sweating and hydrating and sweating some more)--so much so that his weight was down to 235 pounds (which means his fat content was on the low side and fat cells are where it is stored).

It's a bummer--I had him rated very highly. Now I wouldn't take him in the 2nd round and maybe not even the third round. I would put the odds at better than 50-50 that he tests positive at some point in his NFL career.
didn't someone post  
nyynyg : 3/26/2015 4:27 pm : link
that Gregory did not interview well at the Combine and turned teams off too. Daily double.
didn't bother reading the whole thread  
B in ALB : 3/26/2015 5:42 pm : link
because i'm lazy as fuck.

But i heard that his father received a letter addressed to Gregory and he asked his father to open it over the phone. THAT'S how he found out. hahaha! Fuckin moron.

This is a kid who failed a drug test at Purdue, failed multiple times at a junior college and failed at Nebraska.

No one sees a pattern with this idiot?

Fuck 12. Kid needs a 36-step program.
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