NJ.com - Uncertainty surrounds wide receiver Victor Cruz

Cruz as an undrafted FA had stars alligned to accomplish what he has already done. Hope, prayer and luck is one way.....but i expect them to set contingency plans. Signing Harris is one.....
But drafting a WR is almost a given....more when than if

Who'd a thunk it?

if you go to other Papers covering the story it reads Coughlin cautiously optimistic. But negativity drives clicks and hits as will this thread title

and draftees perspective.

I agree with the majority here that if one of the big three WR's drops to nine, Reese is going to be itchy to draft him.

However, with our current crop of Beckham, Randle, Parker & Harris & Ogletree (supposing Cruz is not available for the first few weeks or he reinjures himself.), they may feel OL or DE is the pick.

My opinion is to grab a Cooper or White if he drops to us.

Have you known TC to commit positively as it pertains to rehab?

If Cruz had nothing else done beyond the stated repair(I have not seen anything in the media citing sources who state differently), he should or could be good as new when it comes time to play for real..

There's also nothing I've seen to lead me to believe he's not going through the usual PO sequellae...

with the amputation, huh?

Both the writer and Eric might want to examine why they are necessary.

Cruz isn't the only question mark. Randle has been inconsistant and you never know if he's going to have a breakout game or turn invisible. Either way, I would say WR is a pretty strong need.

If there is no other damage besides what stated what's generally worse, a patellar tendon or an ACL?

hits, when you could draw them here like flies to the same story by painting it negatively? Good business decision Eric
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that there is uncertainty as to whether VC makes it back?

after lighting-up Dallas for 3TD's in the 2013 Opening game, Cruz has had 2 TD's in two injury shortened seasons. I think there should be genuine concern with his injury history (remember he missed his first year). The forces of age, injury and his diminished performance have to tamp expectations...

In comment 12203976 Chris in Philly said:

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with the amputation, huh?

Yes, but they did the wrong leg. He's having the other one chopped today?

I'm not reading the article. I've been following news of Cruz all along and the only question will be, can he get back to 100%? he thinks he can, he's a bit ahead of schedule. Screw shoddy articles.

the Giants had to make a choice.....PUP Beason at the start of the season, or hope that he could play....

They hoped that he could play, because if he couldn't start the first 6-8 games of the season, the season was over....they had no MLB and they didn't even roll the dice on this one.....they dropped a dollar on a million to one bet, and lost....

With Cruz, we have a different situation.....we have guys who can tread water while Cruz continues to rehab, if necessary, by being PUP'd at the start of the season....

This offense can function without Cruz at the start of the season, if we can fix the OL....

Don't rush him back....PUP him if necessary....

"After series of surgeries, Cruz is stumped."

Its been 5 months since Cruz was operated on. Training camp is not for another 4 months. The first regular season games are not for another 6 months. Considering the time frame, cautious optimism is the correct approach.

and on the field at the same time, but if that doesn't happen there really isn't much need to panic. The Giants are currently in a good position in regards to WR.

I think it would be a mistake to write off Reuben Randle. He showed some real improvement late last season, and I would expect him to peak this season while he's in a contract year. Having him and Beckham as a 1 and 2 isn't a bad thing.

Additionally, there's some untapped potential in regards to Corey Washington, who I would hope touches the field a little more this year. And I expect Dwayne Harris to be a decent contributor on offense.

Imo, that it'll be WR at 9 and OL/DL/S after.

Makes too much sense. With Cruz, media nonsense aside, being a ? and Randle on his last year with mediocrity beyond that.

they did sign McClain as insurance at MLB, and he did play decent. I'm still convinced a big part of the defensive woes are mainly Fewell. I think Spags will have this unit in the top 15. I do agree with taking their time bringing Cruz back. PUP may not be necessary, but week 3 or 4 may be smart if they're not 100% sure of his health by Sept 5.

if anything by cutting Cruz? Is renegotiating an option? Its nice to have a sunny view about Cruz but he has a lot more drops then TDs of late. I think his best years are likely behind him

You got the right to post what you want. I got the right to post that your post is nonsense

with the first Sunday games set for Sept. 13th. That little bit of extra time might be an advantage to Cruz and the Giants.

everyone sees he's progressing in his rehab but until he's out there practicing with the team and in live action, he's a question mark.

Can't argue with that.

In comment 12204019 BamaBlue said:

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after lighting-up Dallas for 3TD's in the 2013 Opening game, Cruz has had 2 TD's in two injury shortened seasons. I think there should be genuine concern with his injury history (remember he missed his first year). The forces of age, injury and his diminished performance have to tamp expectations...

+10000
People keep thinking of Cruz 2012 with Nicks playing with him on the field. Even before his injury, JJ and Randle were getting more catches. Cruz even let it be known that the ball wasn't coming his way. Not sure if the Giants think paying a receiver who clearly isn't a #1 receiver and primarily slot receiver (take a look at games where he isn't in the slot and has to be the main focus of defenses) $7 million a season coming off a catastrophic leg injury.

it was neither pessimistic, nor optimistic. At this point, the rehab has gone well, but the reality is that there's no reason to pencil him in as good as new, or as shot to hell, and that's what the article said.

In comment 12203976 Chris in Philly said:

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with the amputation, huh?

I thought the proper protocol was to euthanize Cruz and turn him into glue like a race horse.

and by update i mean - thanks for ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING!

Hey but i clicked on the article right? And that's all that counts.

The media pretty much sucks giant donkey balls at this point.

. Yeah, his numbers dipped. Because no defensive coordinator worth his clipboard would not know that Cruz is the guy they went to for everything before Beckham could play.

"The sun rises in the east..."

Gets back in 2015 to something like what he was pre-injury -- or he doesn't. If he doesn't, another game-breaking WR is a must, just to remain competitive. If he does, another game-breaking WR makes it impossible to defend against the Giants. So at 9, . . . .

In comment 12204530 B in ALB said:

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and by update i mean - thanks for ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING! Hey but i clicked on the article right? And that's all that counts. The media pretty much sucks giant donkey balls at this point.

You're welcome. Next time I won't give you any update when the coach says he's not sure his star receiver will be ready for the first game of the season. I'll just ignore it. Cool?

In comment 12205557 JordanRaanan said:

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In comment 12204530 B in ALB said: Quote: and by update i mean - thanks for ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING! Hey but i clicked on the article right? And that's all that counts. The media pretty much sucks giant donkey balls at this point. You're welcome. Next time I won't give you any update when the coach says he's not sure his star receiver will be ready for the first game of the season. I'll just ignore it. Cool?

Pffft. Come on Jordan. Your article title screams sensationalism. Uncertainty? No. Really?

How about an in depth article detailing Cruz's path back to stardom? How about something positive focusing on the teams' belief that Cruz is well on his way and the rehab process is going well? (and based on all we've heard from your colleagues, that seems to be the case)

How about an article breaking down the schemes the offense can run with a healthy Cruz, a star in OBJ, Vereen, the second year in Mcs offense, and an emerging #3?

No? Why not?

Because your header draws more clicks from the masses?

What about those of us who know the game, analyze it, appreciate it and look for something more than the ESPN-level analysis of a complex sport?

Oh. Right. We represent the minority of your potential audience and a threat to your simple-minded musings.

Carry on. I guess.

it is factual. There is uncertainty surrounding Cruz..

Will he recover?
Will he be the same player?
When will he play?

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If Cruz gets all the way back, the Giants could be scary with Beckham and Cruz as quarterback Eli Manning's top weapons. The idea has offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo salivating like a mad scientist with unlimited magic serum at his disposal. "He's got one of those hats on at night and he has stuff boiling out of the room. He's in that mode," Coughlin said. "But don't forget the running back [Shane Vereen] ... Now you're in there really scratching around." Of course, all this optimism is contingent on Cruz getting all the way back. Fingers and toes crossed all around at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center these days.

No issue with it whatsoever

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In comment 12205653 B in ALB said:

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In comment 12205557 JordanRaanan said: Quote: In comment 12204530 B in ALB said: Quote: and by update i mean - thanks for ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING! Hey but i clicked on the article right? And that's all that counts. The media pretty much sucks giant donkey balls at this point. You're welcome. Next time I won't give you any update when the coach says he's not sure his star receiver will be ready for the first game of the season. I'll just ignore it. Cool? Pffft. Come on Jordan. Your article title screams sensationalism. Uncertainty? No. Really? How about an in depth article detailing Cruz's path back to stardom? How about something positive focusing on the teams' belief that Cruz is well on his way and the rehab process is going well? (and based on all we've heard from your colleagues, that seems to be the case) How about an article breaking down the schemes the offense can run with a healthy Cruz, a star in OBJ, Vereen, the second year in Mcs offense, and an emerging #3? No? Why not? Because your header draws more clicks from the masses? What about those of us who know the game, analyze it, appreciate it and look for something more than the ESPN-level analysis of a complex sport? Oh. Right. We represent the minority of your potential audience and a threat to your simple-minded musings. Carry on. I guess.

Maybe because I was in Arizona at, you know, a coaches breakfast, where the coach talked about the uncertainty of his star receiver.

I attended a breakfast with my kids this morning! They had frosted mini wheats, apples, and cheerios. My son, who is a budding star in the area (for real he's a damn beast and we're looking at relocating to MS), said - hey dad, I hear 80's rehab is going well and he'll be awesome with Beckham next year! It's gonna be sick!

I replied with - Don't believe everything you've heard. Have you checked Jordans latest opus on the state of the New York Football Giants!?! His Ralphie-esque assessment is that the future is somewhat bleak. After all he had breakfast too.

I could have written an entire article just on that positivity. Not to mention... I don't know... Maybe my experience as a D1 player who worked pro day before injury and coached afterwards to add in some solid research and writing after I interviewed coaches, s&c staff and training staff. (BTW, you're totally invited to our next breakfast... Although it's really just a lineman lunch before walk throughs)

But nah. We want hear from the guy who had breakfast. With a bunch of coaches in the room.

Continental or full on egg station?

a lot of the people that use to give inside information on BBI no longer post here..

in this situation than pessimism at this point. Cruz is an open question right now. A question that could be answered in either direction once the time comes. It's a fair article.

you're being unfair. Ranaan wasn't being bleak in that article. He wasn't being negative. He stated one simple truth: Cruz suffered a serious injury, and it is not known whether he will be back at 100 % or when. He reported on stuff said by people who, unlike your kids, are connected to the team. Coughlin is hopeful Cruz will be around for camp, but is unsure of whether he'll be good to go for week one. Granted, the same article could have been written several weeks ago, so it's more of a rehab is still on schedule article rather than anything new, but the coaches comments are new, even if they're more of the same.

Overreaction to a completely fair article....perhaps it's stating the obvious but to criticize it for negativity makes no sense. Of course there's uncertainty....why wouldn't there be?

If I had to summarize the Victor Cruz condition right now, "Uncertainty" would be a perfect description.

C'mon, the first quote in the article is a positive one from Coughlin. If you think this article is sensationalism, you probably don't know what the word means.