I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
There's no homophobic content in Catch's post?? Funniest fucking thing I've read all day.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
Not often but the point remains. Why? Will that be your next photo shop? Don't forget Davidson.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
And you missed this gem, right?
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Ohhh stop
TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
(not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing)
I disagree. I think you can impose certain behavioral standards on your customers. (And yeah, I know this contradicts my last post). For example, I totally and enthusiastically endorse dress codes for restaurants and would support a "No children allowed" rule at many places if it were feasible.
RB, you can address me directly , instead of trying to be so coy
I think the knee jerk "bigot" name-calling is a level above what's warranted here.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
I'm not saying thecatch had offensive language or not, or he's any -ist or not. But I agree people throw the racist label out around here constantly and freely.
use the word thug, you're a racist. Disagree with them on evidence in a trial, you're a racist.
Some people obviously are and they've proven that and deserve it.
I was reading John Grisham's latest novel Gray Mountain and he uses the word thug multiple times to describe some people (of unknown race but I assume white) hired by the oil companies to protect their demolition activities in the West Virginia mountains.
My first thought was, huh, I wonder if BBI realizes John Grisham is racist.
You know nothing about me and I won't waste the time trying to prove who I am , that's not what this is about.
What is Jewy anyway ? Or blackish ? Your proving my point even further .
There are no preconceived or natural behaviors , only ones that people WANT to act like to associate themselves with a certain group,and THAT is my point .
Also , of course there is no problem with a loving glance or kiss , but does it piss you off when you out with your family and a man and woman start making out in the booth next to you.
Of course it does , and you would probably say something or ask the manager to do something. But if it's a Gay couple , you better not even have an opinion ! They have rights too .
Do they have any more rights than the straight couple ? Why is it not the same ? What's good for one should be good for all.
I still don't consider this gang-up worthy. I think explaining to Catch the error of his ways is a better course of action. He doesn't come accross to me like a closed-minded, unreformable dickbag like GWG.
...ist gets used more as a propaganda tool than a point of debate. It's a speech quencher without trying to look as if you're using force. That's not to say that it isn't, at times appropriately used.
TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
RE: TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
It doesn't exist. What I just wrote is what I have written 100x. You called me a racist....surely you would be able to say why I am a racist and what it is that I said that was racist.
I believe that racism is so stupid on its face these days, that you have to look at the whole picture.
Eh...before you White Knights come to TheCatch's rescue...
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
RE: RE: TheCatch let an incident when he was a kid paint his
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
That's possible but then you're saying he's lying, which is assuming a lot.
That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
20 years ago, things were different. You saw more flamboyant types as a higher % of those you could identify as gay. Now that society has become more advanced, gay people do not need to hide their sexuality as a general rule. It also depends on who you associate with. In a professional setting there is less of difference in behavior then if you worked in the arts or theatre...
To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
I would so vote like a Chicagoan for a law banning PDA's.
opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
I have no deep rooted issue , I'm speaking about behavior and the result of it . Good or bad . If you read what I wrote , I stated this could have been avoided.
Like when the Giants fan goes to Philly. If someone threw a football at him when he was tailgating or threw a beer at him in the stadium , nobody here would think twice about . We would think he was very brave and a little stupid for behaving that way. It would be headline news if the guy was gay and these things happened.
There is BEING yourself and there's painting a TARGET on yourself.
Two completely different things. I'm certainly not saying you can't be a target , if that's what you want , then that's probably what your going to get.
But when you get the attention , how can you say I just wish everyone would leave me alone.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around...
How do you know it was the first time you witnessed a gay couple. Maybe you had seen hundreds of gay couples before but they werent making out. Why not reach the same conclusion about hetero couples -- you had never seen one before until you saw a couple going to town on eachother?
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Yep. You are what you are, and if what you are is a flamoyant gay guy- what then?
Ohhhhhhh!
I get it. Gay folks that act gay aren't acting that way because they're gay, they're acting that way because they want attention!
Your absolutely right. I should not assume that was the first time. But it was the first time I realized that the behavior ( which I believe is fake ) has consequences .
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.
I want to hang out in stores that adopt this policy. Someone gets to the cash register with a ton of crap Im going to yell out "FA----" and watch the dejected Chasier put all the stuff back
But it is true , and anytime I see someone trying real hard to ACT a certain way , I think of her beliefs and the frustration it causes her. Whatever people do , if it doesn't effect me , I could care less . But I have a bit more conviction on this subject because it does effect my friend.
"act" is to say "I'm out of the closet, and there's nothing you can do about it". And "act" is a very debatable term that you used. It sounds like you're ok with gay people as long as they stay in the closet.
Sure the "act" can be aggressive. But when you're a group of people that has been ostracized from society for centuries, you're going to gloat a little bit when it's finally acceptable to be yourself.
And btw, I sincerely doubt that that random dude behind you when you were 10 would've punched a straight couple in the face because they were kissing in front of you.
Your absolutely right. I should not assume that was the first time. But it was the first time I realized that the behavior ( which I believe is fake ) has consequences .
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.
Eh...so much self serving drivel. "Hey guys, I'm not against gay people...if I was, would I have a great lesbian friend? But they should stay in the fucking closet so they don't make me feel uncomfortable."
RE: One of the vessel's nephews is gay. He's 21 or so.
At Christmas this year I asked him how he 'came out' and if it was tough coming out to his family.
His mom and grandmother chimed in, "He didn't have to. We all knew he was gay before he did. We could tell by the time he was 5 or 6."
I wish I had known that he was just trying to get attention instead of just being who he was so that I could have pointed that out to them.
You sure he isn't faking being gay? I heard that some people fake being gay so they can act in an attention whore manner. The discrimination and potential for abuse is just added bonuses in playing a fake gay person.
But a question came up a couple of years ago at a restaurant I worked at. This Server was very openly gay. Like that' all he talked about. At first I just thought "Oh, it's good that he is so unashamed of being gay...guy's got great character". Then the more he talked about it, it just got boring until it was to the point that it was ALL he talked about. How every guest who didn't tip 20%, did so because he was gay. How whenever he got teased it was because his gayness intimidated the teaser.
Then he went to the manager and asked if he could come into work in drag every once in a while. Keep in mind that Brandon was 6'1" with a THICK beard. At first the manager, a lesbian btw, kinda chuckled. Then when she saw he was serious, she said that she didn't think it would be a good idea. When Brandon incredulously asked why not, she said that she didn't think that Robert (the owner) would approve. Plus that the guests wouldn't be too comfortable with it either. Brandon flipped. Said the owner was a homophobe and made a scene. He wasn't fired despite chewing out the manager on the floor for refusing a RIDICULOUS request, and we all knew why.
In Philly, there is a whole neighborhood called "The Gayborhood" and having bartended there with gay co-workers, not one of the places that are not advertised as a gay bar permits this practice.
So, for all of those DESTROYING anyone who tells gays to "act like normal people" how would you respond to my co-worker's situation? And how would you justify the treating a homosexual like Brandon differently than someone like myself?
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
There's no homophobic content in Catch's post?? Funniest fucking thing I've read all day.
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That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
How often do you see an episode of Queer as Folk break out at the local 7-11?
Not often but the point remains. Why? Will that be your next photo shop? Don't forget Davidson.
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That's not how I read it. His beef appears to be with certain behaviors that most people would find tasteless no matter who was doing them. I'm a big believer in equal rights for everyone but you have to hold them to the same standards, too.
And you missed this gem, right?
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Ohhh stop
TheCatch : 1:35 pm : link : reply
A gay couple walking there adopted child into a resturant does NOT make a scene . Well , because who is to know if they are just brothers or sisters walking in with one of there kids .
If me and my brother walk into Applebee's with his son , should people assume we are gay ? I guarentee they won't . Because I'm not parading around with a gay "banner"or drawing attention to myself .
Your proving my point .
I like you, RB...but you're missing the "they should act like the rest of us, then they won't be targets" BS. People can act any way they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. To discriminate against others for being different has nothing to do with standards as much as wanting to not have to look at things that make you uncomfortable.
We'll agree to disagree on what TheCatch meant, but I stand by that he's a cowardly homophobe bigot. Ah well.
(not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing)
I disagree. I think you can impose certain behavioral standards on your customers. (And yeah, I know this contradicts my last post). For example, I totally and enthusiastically endorse dress codes for restaurants and would support a "No children allowed" rule at many places if it were feasible.
There's no GWG-like smoking gun homophobic content in Catch's post whatsoever, so I think asking for further clarification before busting out the pitchforks is a more appropriate response.
I understand this is difficult for certain hotheaded posters from LA but every moment in opportunity to improve oneself.
I'm not saying thecatch had offensive language or not, or he's any -ist or not. But I agree people throw the racist label out around here constantly and freely.
use the word thug, you're a racist. Disagree with them on evidence in a trial, you're a racist.
Some people obviously are and they've proven that and deserve it.
I was reading John Grisham's latest novel Gray Mountain and he uses the word thug multiple times to describe some people (of unknown race but I assume white) hired by the oil companies to protect their demolition activities in the West Virginia mountains.
My first thought was, huh, I wonder if BBI realizes John Grisham is racist.
You know nothing about me and I won't waste the time trying to prove who I am , that's not what this is about.
What is Jewy anyway ? Or blackish ? Your proving my point even further .
There are no preconceived or natural behaviors , only ones that people WANT to act like to associate themselves with a certain group,and THAT is my point .
Also , of course there is no problem with a loving glance or kiss , but does it piss you off when you out with your family and a man and woman start making out in the booth next to you.
Of course it does , and you would probably say something or ask the manager to do something. But if it's a Gay couple , you better not even have an opinion ! They have rights too .
Do they have any more rights than the straight couple ? Why is it not the same ? What's good for one should be good for all.
I still don't consider this gang-up worthy. I think explaining to Catch the error of his ways is a better course of action. He doesn't come accross to me like a closed-minded, unreformable dickbag like GWG.
Ignore and move on.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
I believe that racism is so stupid on its face these days, that you have to look at the whole picture.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
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opinions of gay people for the rest of his life. The behaviors he outlined that were so outlandish, and got his trousers in a bunch is men being shirtless, speaking in 'gay voices', and limp wrists. So yeah, I think he's a bigot.
An incident that probably never even happened. Just sayin'...
That's possible but then you're saying he's lying, which is assuming a lot.
Exactly
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
They should be able to act however they want as long as they're not breaking any laws just like any other citizen of the US.
There is not law about broadcasting that you're gay via your behavior (as long as it's within the law).
What Catch is suggesting is that gay people should change their legal behavior so that people won't target them.
It is exactly what gay rights advocates fight for- to be allowed to be themselves without fear of being 'targeted'.
It doesn't matter if you think the way they talk or their 'floppy wrists' are offensive or distasteful.
Telling them to essentially stay in the closet is bullshit.
You can't google images?
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To imply that if gay people would just act normally and let people guess whether they were gay or not instead of advertising that they are by carrying around "the gay banner" wherever they go is both insulting to millions of gay people and those, who want them to live their lives without discrimination.
Very few gay people actually conduct themselves in flamboyant manners in gay pride parades. But to use that as some kind of a defense for this bill or any other discriminatory bills shows one's own agenda, which borders on homophobic bigotry.
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but others are also entitled to call out cowardly bigots in a knee jerk manner, especially when they double down and remove any doubt.
Yep.
What he began with was, "gay people shouldn't act gay"- which has now turned to simply PDA's...which would be taken care of with a law about PDA's- and nothing to do with gay or straight.
But fuck Applebee's and their gay orgies. Seriously.
I would so vote like a Chicagoan for a law banning PDA's.
and suckered me into seeing if there truly were images.
I have no deep rooted issue , I'm speaking about behavior and the result of it . Good or bad . If you read what I wrote , I stated this could have been avoided.
Like when the Giants fan goes to Philly. If someone threw a football at him when he was tailgating or threw a beer at him in the stadium , nobody here would think twice about . We would think he was very brave and a little stupid for behaving that way. It would be headline news if the guy was gay and these things happened.
There is BEING yourself and there's painting a TARGET on yourself.
Two completely different things. I'm certainly not saying you can't be a target , if that's what you want , then that's probably what your going to get.
But when you get the attention , how can you say I just wish everyone would leave me alone.
The first time I witnessed a gay couple , I was about 10 years old in upstate NY . My mother asked me to go into the gas station and pay for gas . I went in and while I'm waiting in line , these 2 guys dressed like circus performers , began to jam thier tongues down each other's throats . When they finished they began talking in what would be considered a " gay voice " and waving thier hands around like they had no control over thier wrists.
They obviously wanted to get people's attention. Well they got it . Some other customers noticed me (10 years old in my little league jersey) behind the 2 men and told them to knock it off , there was a kid behind them . One of the gay guys began to act like he was flirting with the man who told them to stop. Saying ohhh baby you want some too ? To which he punched the guy in the face.
Even at 10 years young , I realized this could have been avoided . The man that told them to stop , would have told any couple , gay or straight , to stop because there was a child around...
How do you know it was the first time you witnessed a gay couple. Maybe you had seen hundreds of gay couples before but they werent making out. Why not reach the same conclusion about hetero couples -- you had never seen one before until you saw a couple going to town on eachother?
Your problem seems to be PDAs. Which are gross.
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Here , maybe this is a better way of explaining what I'm talking about.
Your calling out of work cause you have a fever/ cold/ Flu....do you call your boss and just say I'm feeling like crap today , or do you call with the scratchy I'm half dead voice , trying to sound stuffed up.
Not everyone tries to act like they are dying every time they are sick. But the ones that do are screaming," feel bad for me ". Having a fever has nothing to do with your throat , and your not dying.
Why do people have this preconceived notion that they have to act a certain way in order to make people believe they are something?
You are what you are , but you don't have to behave a certain way to prove it .
Yep. You are what you are, and if what you are is a flamoyant gay guy- what then?
Ohhhhhhh!
I get it. Gay folks that act gay aren't acting that way because they're gay, they're acting that way because they want attention!
Got it.
-TheCatch
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.
Every person that doesn't like a specific group of people always has a friend in that group.
That's better than him eating dick in line at a gas station I guess though.
Sure the "act" can be aggressive. But when you're a group of people that has been ostracized from society for centuries, you're going to gloat a little bit when it's finally acceptable to be yourself.
And btw, I sincerely doubt that that random dude behind you when you were 10 would've punched a straight couple in the face because they were kissing in front of you.
His mom and grandmother chimed in, "He didn't have to. We all knew he was gay before he did. We could tell by the time he was 5 or 6."
I wish I had known that he was just trying to get attention instead of just being who he was so that I could have pointed that out to them.
That probably wraps up MY personal thoughts on the subject . It's a FAKE behavior that can have a negative effect. So just be who you are , stop with the act , being gay does not mean that you have to talk or act a certain way ( a lot don't ) just like when your calling in sick , you don't have to act like your dying or fake cough.
When that ACT makes people uncomfortable or brings negative attention , then people will talk . Hence the " you can't behave that way and expect people to not have an opinion ."
I absolutely support gay rights , I just think there is a smoother road to getting there if 20% of your people don't make a spectacle out of them selves.
My opinions on this matter became stronger a few years ago ,when a lesbian friend of mine ( who acts like herself, not any particular group ) voiced HER opinion to me . Stating that those " attention whores" are making life more difficult for gay people and SHE believes that they are not even truly gay . Because being Gay doesn't change how you behave . That's an attention thing . She said its like people who are into punk rock . She's into it also ( another lesbian stereotype) but she says "you don't see me going around trying to see how high I can spike my blue Mohawk "
She loves her lifestyle the same as she loves her music , but to say those things should make you behave a certain way is foolish. She's the one that gave me the sick voice analogy . If your fake coughing , your probably not that sick.
Eh...so much self serving drivel. "Hey guys, I'm not against gay people...if I was, would I have a great lesbian friend? But they should stay in the fucking closet so they don't make me feel uncomfortable."
His mom and grandmother chimed in, "He didn't have to. We all knew he was gay before he did. We could tell by the time he was 5 or 6."
I wish I had known that he was just trying to get attention instead of just being who he was so that I could have pointed that out to them.
You sure he isn't faking being gay? I heard that some people fake being gay so they can act in an attention whore manner. The discrimination and potential for abuse is just added bonuses in playing a fake gay person.
why are we (myself included) feeding him?
Then he went to the manager and asked if he could come into work in drag every once in a while. Keep in mind that Brandon was 6'1" with a THICK beard. At first the manager, a lesbian btw, kinda chuckled. Then when she saw he was serious, she said that she didn't think it would be a good idea. When Brandon incredulously asked why not, she said that she didn't think that Robert (the owner) would approve. Plus that the guests wouldn't be too comfortable with it either. Brandon flipped. Said the owner was a homophobe and made a scene. He wasn't fired despite chewing out the manager on the floor for refusing a RIDICULOUS request, and we all knew why.
In Philly, there is a whole neighborhood called "The Gayborhood" and having bartended there with gay co-workers, not one of the places that are not advertised as a gay bar permits this practice.
So, for all of those DESTROYING anyone who tells gays to "act like normal people" how would you respond to my co-worker's situation? And how would you justify the treating a homosexual like Brandon differently than someone like myself?
Not trying to start anything, I'm just curious as to when it is no longer "being yourself" and actual unacceptable behavior
why are we (myself included) feeding him?
I've been on this site for over 15 years , changed my name when the site got hacked .